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Question: Which of these Senators are the most likely to switch to the Democratic Party?
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Dean Heller
 
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Lisa Murkowski
 
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John McCain
 
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Rob Portman
 
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Susan Collins
 
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John Hoeven
 
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« on: November 25, 2016, 05:47:48 PM »

Which of these US Senators are the most likely to become conservative Democrats who want the ACA repealed?
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« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2016, 06:18:18 PM »

None of them. Joe Manchin might become a republican though.
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« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2016, 06:21:34 PM »

None of them. Joe Manchin might become a republican though.

Doubt it. He's on DEM leadership team now IIRC
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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2016, 06:23:22 PM »
« Edited: November 25, 2016, 06:29:44 PM by ERM64man »

None of them. Joe Manchin might become a republican though.
Manchin will likely remain a conservative Democrat. Manchin opposes Paul Ryan's Medicare and Social Security privatization plans. Manchin also opposes school vouchers. Hoeven was a conservative Democrat in the 1990s. McCain and Heller are no fans of Trump.
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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2016, 08:41:33 PM »

None of them. Joe Manchin might become a republican though.

I believe he has already said he's sticking with the Democrats
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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2016, 08:44:22 PM »

I picked McCain, Collins, and Hoeven (who was a Democrat from 1996 to 1998).
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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2016, 09:20:19 PM »

Only Collins I can see switching (not that she's even conservative on too many issues). Anyway, this trolling about party switching needs to stop.
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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2016, 09:43:36 PM »

Susan Collins has gotten more conservative since starting her tenure as a Senator, not less.
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« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2016, 09:49:08 PM »

Collins is conservative enough for me. She will stay a republican, imo.
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« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2016, 09:56:46 PM »

I am interested on seeing if any GOP senators will switch parties because of disagreements with Trump based on platform. I wonder how the GOP civil war will turn out and what the eventual seventh party system will look like.
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« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2016, 11:33:02 AM »

Portman??? Really?Huh?

Haha. No.
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« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2016, 11:45:39 AM »

I am interested on seeing if any GOP senators will switch parties because of disagreements with Trump based on platform. I wonder how the GOP civil war will turn out and what the eventual seventh party system will look like.

GOP Senators who are concerned with others' intolerance in the party seem content with knowing that they're not "those" types of Republicans themselves; outside of Atlas, normal people don't associate you with every other member of your party just because you're in that party.  It encompasses millions of different types of people who are there for different reasons.

If we're strictly talking ideology (which intolerance has nothing to do with), the issues that Republicans would be frustrated with Trump on (his tacking to the left on economic issues, mostly), the Democrats are LITERALLY openly helping him on and way further left than he is.  "Moderate" but fiscally conservative Republicans who dislike Trump are just going to have to suck it up until he's gone, because the Democrats are even worse.
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« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2016, 12:02:44 PM »

I don't really understand why any of the current Republican Senators would switch. The majority of switches in the past generation seem to born more from political expediency and less from some untenable divergence of ideology/policy positions. Considering Democrats are probably not going to have any kind of Senate majority until at least 2020 or 2022, it just doesn't make sense to me.
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« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2016, 03:30:46 PM »

I don't really understand why any of the current Republican Senators would switch. The majority of switches in the past generation seem to born more from political expediency and less from some untenable divergence of ideology/policy positions. Considering Democrats are probably not going to have any kind of Senate majority until at least 2020 or 2022, it just doesn't make sense to me.

If a few anti-Trump Republicans switch, that would give Democrats a majority in 2017.
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« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2016, 05:32:04 PM »

I don't really understand why any of the current Republican Senators would switch. The majority of switches in the past generation seem to born more from political expediency and less from some untenable divergence of ideology/policy positions. Considering Democrats are probably not going to have any kind of Senate majority until at least 2020 or 2022, it just doesn't make sense to me.

If a few anti-Trump Republicans switch, that would give Democrats a majority in 2017.

I think you are missing my point though. With the GOP at the peak of national+state power since the 1920s, there is no reason for anyone to switch. None of those states are dramatically trending away from Republicans. Collins has no good reason to leave, at least right now. Heller is the only remotely possible candidate for this imo, and just because they are vulnerable in a midterm that probably won't favor them doesn't mean they'll just go switching parties. They could easily get tossed in the primary in that case. It's a silly idea right now.
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« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2016, 05:40:28 PM »

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« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2016, 05:41:37 PM »

Switching parties as a Senator is pretty much political suicide these days.
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« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2016, 05:47:31 PM »

I don't really understand why any of the current Republican Senators would switch. The majority of switches in the past generation seem to born more from political expediency and less from some untenable divergence of ideology/policy positions. Considering Democrats are probably not going to have any kind of Senate majority until at least 2020 or 2022, it just doesn't make sense to me.

If a few anti-Trump Republicans switch, that would give Democrats a majority in 2017.

I think you are missing my point though. With the GOP at the peak of national+state power since the 1920s, there is no reason for anyone to switch. None of those states are dramatically trending away from Republicans. Collins has no good reason to leave, at least right now. Heller is the only remotely possible candidate for this imo, and just because they are vulnerable in a midterm that probably won't favor them doesn't mean they'll just go switching parties. They could easily get tossed in the primary in that case. It's a silly idea right now.
McCain, Portman, Collins, and Heller don't like Trumpism. What if they feel Trumpism is taking over the party? Why wouldn't they switch to distance themselves from Trump? If they switch, they would become DINOs. They would still effectively be Republicans in practice.
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« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2016, 06:26:11 PM »

I don't really understand why any of the current Republican Senators would switch. The majority of switches in the past generation seem to born more from political expediency and less from some untenable divergence of ideology/policy positions. Considering Democrats are probably not going to have any kind of Senate majority until at least 2020 or 2022, it just doesn't make sense to me.

If a few anti-Trump Republicans switch, that would give Democrats a majority in 2017.

I think you are missing my point though. With the GOP at the peak of national+state power since the 1920s, there is no reason for anyone to switch. None of those states are dramatically trending away from Republicans. Collins has no good reason to leave, at least right now. Heller is the only remotely possible candidate for this imo, and just because they are vulnerable in a midterm that probably won't favor them doesn't mean they'll just go switching parties. They could easily get tossed in the primary in that case. It's a silly idea right now.
McCain, Portman, Collins, and Heller don't like Trumpism. What if they feel Trumpism is taking over the party? Why wouldn't they switch to distance themselves from Trump? If they switch, they would become DINOs. They would still effectively be Republicans in practice.

Lol dude, you're missing the point. All of them are popular with the primary electorate of their states (except for McCain, but he won still, and this is probably his last term anyway) They'd all be DOA if they switched in our current political climate. Its not happening barring a worst case Trump presidency.
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« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2016, 06:28:32 PM »

Its not happening barring a worst case Trump presidency.

A Trump presidency is by definition a worst case Trump presidency.
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« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2016, 06:38:11 PM »

None.
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« Reply #21 on: November 26, 2016, 08:13:34 PM »

I don't really understand why any of the current Republican Senators would switch. The majority of switches in the past generation seem to born more from political expediency and less from some untenable divergence of ideology/policy positions. Considering Democrats are probably not going to have any kind of Senate majority until at least 2020 or 2022, it just doesn't make sense to me.

If a few anti-Trump Republicans switch, that would give Democrats a majority in 2017.

I think you are missing my point though. With the GOP at the peak of national+state power since the 1920s, there is no reason for anyone to switch. None of those states are dramatically trending away from Republicans. Collins has no good reason to leave, at least right now. Heller is the only remotely possible candidate for this imo, and just because they are vulnerable in a midterm that probably won't favor them doesn't mean they'll just go switching parties. They could easily get tossed in the primary in that case. It's a silly idea right now.
McCain, Portman, Collins, and Heller don't like Trumpism. What if they feel Trumpism is taking over the party? Why wouldn't they switch to distance themselves from Trump? If they switch, they would become DINOs. They would still effectively be Republicans in practice.

Lol dude, you're missing the point. All of them are popular with the primary electorate of their states (except for McCain, but he won still, and this is probably his last term anyway) They'd all be DOA if they switched in our current political climate. Its not happening barring a worst case Trump presidency.
McCain can afford to switch. He will not run in 2022.
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« Reply #22 on: November 27, 2016, 11:17:58 AM »

Anyone of these would be equally plausible as a Manchin party switch.
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« Reply #23 on: November 27, 2016, 05:21:32 PM »

Out of these Susan Collins, but she won't, especially after her state almost selected Trump to be the next president.
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« Reply #24 on: November 30, 2016, 04:36:14 PM »

I don't really understand why any of the current Republican Senators would switch. The majority of switches in the past generation seem to born more from political expediency and less from some untenable divergence of ideology/policy positions. Considering Democrats are probably not going to have any kind of Senate majority until at least 2020 or 2022, it just doesn't make sense to me.

If a few anti-Trump Republicans switch, that would give Democrats a majority in 2017.

I think you are missing my point though. With the GOP at the peak of national+state power since the 1920s, there is no reason for anyone to switch. None of those states are dramatically trending away from Republicans. Collins has no good reason to leave, at least right now. Heller is the only remotely possible candidate for this imo, and just because they are vulnerable in a midterm that probably won't favor them doesn't mean they'll just go switching parties. They could easily get tossed in the primary in that case. It's a silly idea right now.
McCain, Portman, Collins, and Heller don't like Trumpism. What if they feel Trumpism is taking over the party? Why wouldn't they switch to distance themselves from Trump? If they switch, they would become DINOs. They would still effectively be Republicans in practice.

Lol dude, you're missing the point. All of them are popular with the primary electorate of their states (except for McCain, but he won still, and this is probably his last term anyway) They'd all be DOA if they switched in our current political climate. Its not happening barring a worst case Trump presidency.
This is McCain's last term before retiring. He can afford to become a DINO. Do you think he will?
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