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« on: November 26, 2016, 01:50:02 AM »

Socialism has failed them utterly:

Hungry Venezuelans Flee in Boats to Escape Economic Collapse

By NICHOLAS CASEY
NOV. 25, 2016

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« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2016, 04:42:37 PM »
« Edited: November 26, 2016, 04:44:15 PM by Storebought »

In that article, the majority of refugees are fleeing to Curacao, a tiny near-desert island surrounded by reefs and rough seas.

I can't begrudge anyone who runs away from a terrible living condition, from a failed state, but their near uniform choice of Curacao is telling. These people would rather pay pirates $1000 USD for a chance to be tossed overboard from a raft to swim to rich Curacao than to walk to poor Guyana for free*. In that sense, even desperate people exercise economic choice.

*The article does mention that Venezuelans were flooding the border to slightly-worse-off-on-paper Colombia before their Army closed it.
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« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2016, 08:17:49 PM »

Of course the rich and middle class would flee, Chavez has done a lot for the poor. This is the fault of having an economy based upon one resource, it was idiotic economic planning that thought, social welfare programs would last from the boom of one oil industry. It is not the fault of socialism, more the fault of idiotic economic planning.
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« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2016, 07:24:57 AM »
« Edited: November 27, 2016, 07:29:11 AM by Soulless Golem »

Of course the rich and middle class would flee, Chavez has done a lot for the poor. This is the fault of having an economy based upon one resource, it was idiotic economic planning that thought, social welfare programs would last from the boom of one oil industry. It is not the fault of socialism, more the fault of idiotic economic planning.
It's not the "rich and middle class" that flee to Curaçao right now. The rich already fled to the U.S. years ago. But please continue to be an absolute bottom of the barrel poster.

In that article, the majority of refugees are fleeing to Curacao, a tiny near-desert island surrounded by reefs and rough seas.

I can't begrudge anyone who runs away from a terrible living condition, from a failed state, but their near uniform choice of Curacao is telling. These people would rather pay pirates $1000 USD for a chance to be tossed overboard from a raft to swim to rich Curacao than to walk to poor Guyana for free*. In that sense, even desperate people exercise economic choice.

*The article does mention that Venezuelans were flooding the border to slightly-worse-off-on-paper Colombia before their Army closed it.
Interesting post, hadn't thought of this. Isn't there a reason they cannot go to Guyana? Curaçao also isn't that rich.
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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2016, 08:35:42 AM »

Of course the rich and middle class would flee, Chavez has done a lot for the poor. This is the fault of having an economy based upon one resource, it was idiotic economic planning that thought, social welfare programs would last from the boom of one oil industry. It is not the fault of socialism, more the fault of idiotic economic planning.
It's not the "rich and middle class" that flee to Curaçao right now. The rich already fled to the U.S. years ago. But please continue to be an absolute bottom of the barrel poster.

In that article, the majority of refugees are fleeing to Curacao, a tiny near-desert island surrounded by reefs and rough seas.

I can't begrudge anyone who runs away from a terrible living condition, from a failed state, but their near uniform choice of Curacao is telling. These people would rather pay pirates $1000 USD for a chance to be tossed overboard from a raft to swim to rich Curacao than to walk to poor Guyana for free*. In that sense, even desperate people exercise economic choice.

*The article does mention that Venezuelans were flooding the border to slightly-worse-off-on-paper Colombia before their Army closed it.
Interesting post, hadn't thought of this. Isn't there a reason they cannot go to Guyana? Curaçao also isn't that rich.

I wasn't talking about right now was I though? I was talking about immoral and greedy rich people, leaving the country, has a lot to do with Venezuela's problems today, the country was deeply mis-managed under Chavez and Maduro, under the guise of socialism. Your point being? Unless you seriously believed, I was talking about the second wave of migrants, who have a lot of problems, are desecrate in their attempts for a better regards.

 I really don't care about the rich migrants, who left to the US, who are a lot of blame for such a problem.
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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2016, 08:56:51 AM »

Venezuela's problems don't stem from it being a socialist state, but from it being a kleptocratic state who had the gravy train come to a halt when both oil prices and oil production collapsed.
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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2016, 10:37:03 PM »

some people are staying and mining bitcoins
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« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2016, 06:58:42 AM »

Venezuela is a depressing testament to human folly. The government has pursued policies known to destroy the country, as leftwing intellectuals in the West cheered on.
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« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2016, 02:04:01 PM »

Venezuela is a depressing testament to human folly. The government has pursued policies known to destroy the country, as leftwing intellectuals in the West cheered on.

The strange part was that that - extremely embarrassing - cheerleading was clearly only ever about the aesthetics; the government's policies have always been very crude and obviously shaped more by (let's be absolutely blunt about this) peasant prejudice than even re-heated Marxism-Leninism let alone a Bright New Red Dawn.
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