Third place by county

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Based on incomplete results, since we're still getting stuff dumped



Ah, Utah and Idaho, you are saving the map

[Plankton5165]

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Ah, Utah and Idaho, you are saving the map

Wow, Trump never placed third?

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Ah, Utah and Idaho, you are saving the map

Wow, Trump never placed third?

Stein beat him for second in Kalawao County, Hawaii, but they don't really report separately, since they're a joke county.

[iratemoderate]

Great map! Love seeing things like this.

Ah, Utah and Idaho, you are saving the map

Not sure of your political leanings (S=Socialist?), but do note that these mostly Mormon voters were less favorable to Trump in part because he was thought to be too liberal.¹ If it had been up to them, Rafael "Ted" Cruz would be our president.

Regardless of one's views of Donald Trump, he was in many ways a rare voice of moderation and common sense in the GOP field in 2016.² For once, we had a Republican candidate who seemed to care more about protecting our borders (both parties have failed us miserably here!) than proving his anti-gay bonafides or pandering to the sectional interests of this, that, or the other group. It was refreshing. He of course did his fair share of blatant pandering, but his message had a general appeal that few could effectively match.

<sub>1. That he was a vulgarian was also a large part of it, as was their persecution complex—which made his comments about Muslim immigration and shutting down mosques fare poorly in the state. In fact, to support the idea of shutting down mosques, he had cited the example of the government shutting down "Mormon churches" (FLDS rather than LDS) associated with child abuse. The example and lack of clear distinction angered many Mormons.
2. As far as his more sensationalistic statements go, Salena Zito remarked that his comments needed to be taken "seriously but not literally." His supporters understood this, but not too many others did.</sub>

[Drew]

LOL Vermont.

[Bakersfield Uber Alles]

Based on incomplete results, since we're still getting stuff dumped
Ah, Utah and Idaho, you are saving the map

Wow, Trump never placed third?

Stein beat him for second in Kalawao County, Hawaii, but they don't really report separately, since they're a joke county.

Where did you find the results for it?

Also, I'm pretty sure that the write in counties in Vermont are all Bernie. I know that he won a huge majority of write ins there, but I'm not sure if there's a county/town breakdown.

[BaldEagle1991]

So "Harambe" wasn't a third place option in college town counties? Dang...

[BSH]

Thought I needed my eyes checked when I saw a TX county have Jill Stein as their 3rd... Until I realized it was Loving County, the least populated county in the entire country with <100 people, LOL

[iratemoderate]

Loving never seems to disappoint those of us who love electoral oddities. :-)

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Based on incomplete results, since we're still getting stuff dumped
Ah, Utah and Idaho, you are saving the map

Wow, Trump never placed third?

Stein beat him for second in Kalawao County, Hawaii, but they don't really report separately, since they're a joke county.

Where did you find the results for it?

Also, I'm pretty sure that the write in counties in Vermont are all Bernie. I know that he won a huge majority of write ins there, but I'm not sure if there's a county/town breakdown.

Precinct 13-09 is Kalaupapa Settlement and was Hillary 14, Stein 5, Trump 1.

http://elections.hawaii.gov/wp-content/results/precinct.pdf

[BaldEagle1991]

Thought I needed my eyes checked when I saw a TX county have Jill Stein as their 3rd... Until I realized it was Loving County, the least populated county in the entire country with <100 people, LOL

I was surprised about that one.

I was expecting either Dallas County or Travis County for her to be in 3rd place.

[nclib]

Going through the ones not third for Johnson...

I believe the Iowa one (Dubuque) is a mistake or has changed.
HRC is self-explanatory.
McMullin is self-explanatory except the random Ark. one.
Stein is self-explanatory except for random ones in Kans. and Ark. (Loving, TX has literally 2 votes for Stein)
Two Castle counties in SW Miss. are interesting.
'None' is only offered in Nev. and both counties had Johnson next after 'None'.
Write-Ins are certainly Bernie in Vt. except Lincoln, WY which seems random.
Jim Hedges in Ark??? - is he only on the ballot there?

Also: DC is write-in - not sure for who.

[Bakersfield Uber Alles]

Based on incomplete results, since we're still getting stuff dumped
Ah, Utah and Idaho, you are saving the map

Wow, Trump never placed third?

Stein beat him for second in Kalawao County, Hawaii, but they don't really report separately, since they're a joke county.

Where did you find the results for it?

Also, I'm pretty sure that the write in counties in Vermont are all Bernie. I know that he won a huge majority of write ins there, but I'm not sure if there's a county/town breakdown.

Precinct 13-09 is Kalaupapa Settlement and was Hillary 14, Stein 5, Trump 1.

http://elections.hawaii.gov/wp-content/results/precinct.pdf

Thanks! I'll have to look that precinct up for past elections.

Going through the ones not third for Johnson...

I believe the Iowa one (Dubuque) is a mistake or has changed.
HRC is self-explanatory.
McMullin is self-explanatory except the random Ark. one.
Stein is self-explanatory except for random ones in Kans. and Ark. (Loving, TX has literally 2 votes for Stein)
Two Castle counties in SW Miss. are interesting.
'None' is only offered in Nev. and both counties had Johnson next after 'None'.
Write-Ins are certainly Bernie in Vt. except Lincoln, WY which seems random.
Jim Hedges in Ark??? - is he only on the ballot there?

Also: DC is write-in - not sure for who.

Lincoln County, WY is probably write in from McMullin more than Bernie. I don't know if the McMullin campaign submitted the paperwork and fee to get his write ins counted in Wyomig (the deadline was after the election).

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Since it's not visible on the big map.

D.C. third place by ward:



NYC third place by borough:

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Jim Hedges in Ark??? - is he only on the ballot there?

I confess: I had to google him.

[NOVA Green]

Based on incomplete results, since we're still getting stuff dumped
Ah, Utah and Idaho, you are saving the map

Wow, Trump never placed third?

Stein beat him for second in Kalawao County, Hawaii, but they don't really report separately, since they're a joke county.

Where did you find the results for it?

Also, I'm pretty sure that the write in counties in Vermont are all Bernie. I know that he won a huge majority of write ins there, but I'm not sure if there's a county/town breakdown.

Precinct 13-09 is Kalaupapa Settlement and was Hillary 14, Stein 5, Trump 1.

http://elections.hawaii.gov/wp-content/results/precinct.pdf

Thanks! I'll have to look that precinct up for past elections.

Going through the ones not third for Johnson...

I believe the Iowa one (Dubuque) is a mistake or has changed.
HRC is self-explanatory.
McMullin is self-explanatory except the random Ark. one.
Stein is self-explanatory except for random ones in Kans. and Ark. (Loving, TX has literally 2 votes for Stein)
Two Castle counties in SW Miss. are interesting.
'None' is only offered in Nev. and both counties had Johnson next after 'None'.
Write-Ins are certainly Bernie in Vt. except Lincoln, WY which seems random.
Jim Hedges in Ark??? - is he only on the ballot there?

Also: DC is write-in - not sure for who.

Lincoln County, WY is probably write in from McMullin more than Bernie. I don't know if the McMullin campaign submitted the paperwork and fee to get his write ins counted in Wyomig (the deadline was after the election).

I would concur.... Lincoln County Wyoming is 64% Mormon, and has the highest percentage of LDS members in any county outside of Utah or Idaho, so it is definitely reasonable to assume this accounts for the most of the write-in ballots there.

[MisterElection2001]

I made 3rd place maps of both Utah and Idaho, just like the third place maps on some of the 1992 results. The darker the shade, the smaller percentage of the vote (increments of 10%).


Hillary Clinton
Evan McMullin


Hillary Clinton
Evan McMullin
Gary Johnson

You can check out more at: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=253041.0

[Santander]

The fact that so much of the country voted for statist Gary Johnson is deeply concerning.

[OneJ]

Stein should've made inroads to Hawaii and could've got third place statewide.

[Vosem]

I think I'll continue to question all my life how well the Libertarian ticket might've done in 2016 if somebody had persuaded Gary Johnson back in May to let Weld be the head of the ticket.

[Santander]

I think I'll continue to question all my life how well the Libertarian ticket might've done in 2016 if somebody had persuaded Gary Johnson back in May to let Weld be the head of the ticket.

Neither are even remotely close to being libertarians, but Weld is even further from being a libertarian than Johnson. How exactly would they have done better with Weld, a corporatist governor who last held office before the youngest voters were even born and chased out of town during his ambassadorship confirmation for being a dangerous pro-drug radical? If Johnson actually cared about libertarianism as an ideology, he would never have allowed Weld to get within 10 miles of the ticket.

[Vosem]

I think I'll continue to question all my life how well the Libertarian ticket might've done in 2016 if somebody had persuaded Gary Johnson back in May to let Weld be the head of the ticket.

Neither are even remotely close to being libertarians, but Weld is even further from being a libertarian than Johnson. How exactly would they have done better with Weld, a corporatist governor who last held office before the youngest voters were even born and chased out of town during his ambassadorship confirmation for being a dangerous pro-drug radical? If Johnson actually cared about libertarianism as an ideology, he would never have allowed Weld to get within 10 miles of the ticket.

The point isn't even really about libertarian ideology; it would've been about having a president better than Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton, as both Johnson and Weld undoubtedly would've been. Weld would've been a stronger candidate than Johnson because Weld could've secured in Mitt Romney's backing in June or July, prevented the whole McMullin thing from coming about, and used the added notoriety to be able to make it into the debates (even Johnson briefly hit double-digits in the polling average in August; Weld was much more charismatic, a better speaker, and could've had much more powerful friends; he would've made it).

At that point, well, Weld has always been a terrific debater, going back to the Massachusetts days. I doubt he could've won the election (though the possibility isn't excluded), but he could've at least made it an actual three-way race.

[Santander]

The point isn't even really about libertarian ideology; it would've been about having a president better than Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton, as both Johnson and Weld undoubtedly would've been. Weld would've been a stronger candidate than Johnson because Weld could've secured in Mitt Romney's backing in June or July, prevented the whole McMullin thing from coming about, and used the added notoriety to be able to make it into the debates (even Johnson briefly hit double-digits in the polling average in August; Weld was much more charismatic, a better speaker, and could've had much more powerful friends; he would've made it).

At that point, well, Weld has always been a terrific debater, going back to the Massachusetts days. I doubt he could've won the election (though the possibility isn't excluded), but he could've at least made it an actual three-way race.

Weld was the wrong tool for the job. (in more ways than one) The LP needed to run a Bernie-style insurgent campaign, and the problem with Johnson choosing Weld was not only that he wasn't a libertarian, but that Bill Weld is the guy you call when you need to put on the fishnets and get on your knees for the donor class. They treated the election like a resume contest and thought voters and the media would respect them just because they won a few gubernatorial elections back in the day. Plus, there's no way Weld at the top of the ticker could've carried the baggage of the LP's insane anarchist base, like the videos showing them booing driver's licenses or laws against selling heroin to children.

Johnson was a terrible candidate, but I doubt anyone could have done better as a Libertarian than he did.

[Vosem]

The point isn't even really about libertarian ideology; it would've been about having a president better than Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton, as both Johnson and Weld undoubtedly would've been. Weld would've been a stronger candidate than Johnson because Weld could've secured in Mitt Romney's backing in June or July, prevented the whole McMullin thing from coming about, and used the added notoriety to be able to make it into the debates (even Johnson briefly hit double-digits in the polling average in August; Weld was much more charismatic, a better speaker, and could've had much more powerful friends; he would've made it).

At that point, well, Weld has always been a terrific debater, going back to the Massachusetts days. I doubt he could've won the election (though the possibility isn't excluded), but he could've at least made it an actual three-way race.

Weld was the wrong tool for the job. (in more ways than one) The LP needed to run a Bernie-style insurgent campaign, and the problem with Johnson choosing Weld was not only that he wasn't a libertarian, but that Bill Weld is the guy you call when you need to put on the fishnets and get on your knees for the donor class. They treated the election like a resume contest and thought voters and the media would respect them just because they won a few gubernatorial elections back in the day. Plus, there's no way Weld at the top of the ticker could've carried the baggage of the LP's insane anarchist base, like the videos showing them booing driver's licenses or laws against selling heroin to children.

Johnson was a terrible candidate, but I doubt anyone could have done better as a Libertarian than he did.

That's the point, Weld wouldn't have run as a capital-L Libertarian (which Johnson didn't really do either, but he was stuck with the baggage in a way Weld wouldn't have been). He would've eked out a victory at the convention with Johnson's backing, picked Johnson for VP, and then forgotten about them; they're a fraction of a percent anyway. The donor base is who you need to get the money to get to 15%; Weld could've done that. By getting into the debates, he could've turned the race on its head.

2016 really wasn't an anti-establishment year. An establishment candidate comfortably won the Democratic nomination and went on to win the popular vote without too much trouble; establishment candidates combined for well over half the vote on the Republican side; congressional incumbent reelection rates spiked. Weld fit the moment just as well as either of the other two candidates did, and he was capable of forcing the system to take him seriously, as Johnson and McMullin failed to ever quite manage.

[OSR stands with Israel]

The point isn't even really about libertarian ideology; it would've been about having a president better than Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton, as both Johnson and Weld undoubtedly would've been. Weld would've been a stronger candidate than Johnson because Weld could've secured in Mitt Romney's backing in June or July, prevented the whole McMullin thing from coming about, and used the added notoriety to be able to make it into the debates (even Johnson briefly hit double-digits in the polling average in August; Weld was much more charismatic, a better speaker, and could've had much more powerful friends; he would've made it).

At that point, well, Weld has always been a terrific debater, going back to the Massachusetts days. I doubt he could've won the election (though the possibility isn't excluded), but he could've at least made it an actual three-way race.

Weld was the wrong tool for the job. (in more ways than one) The LP needed to run a Bernie-style insurgent campaign, and the problem with Johnson choosing Weld was not only that he wasn't a libertarian, but that Bill Weld is the guy you call when you need to put on the fishnets and get on your knees for the donor class. They treated the election like a resume contest and thought voters and the media would respect them just because they won a few gubernatorial elections back in the day. Plus, there's no way Weld at the top of the ticker could've carried the baggage of the LP's insane anarchist base, like the videos showing them booing driver's licenses or laws against selling heroin to children.

Johnson was a terrible candidate, but I doubt anyone could have done better as a Libertarian than he did.

except Bernie is the opposite of a Libertarian , so theres no way they should have run that type of campaign .  

What a third party should have done was to get Kasich ,Bloomberg to run independent and have Jim Webb as their VP. That ticket would have forced the election to the house where Kasich/Webb or Bloomberg/Webb wins .


As for the Libertarians they should have had Gary run a campaign more resembling Governor Johnson then an Ron Paul campaign. This would have given him credibility as reasonable among the upper middle class voters who swung to hillary , and many of the small government conservatives who didnt like trump but held their nose and voted for him.