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« Reply #50 on: November 27, 2016, 08:25:35 PM »

So you are saying in fact  that Trump supporters voted twice. Ok I just wanted to know if that is where you getting at.

How is Trump saying his supporters committed voter fraud? I know you are saying that you yourself are saying that Trump Supporters committed Voter Fraud.

Trump is saying there were millions of illegal ballots cast.  I happened to find some just by comparing the population and the voter turnout in Loving County, Texas, where Trump allegedly received 89% of the vote.  There is more out there - we just have to find it.
....Yeah in states he lost like NH, VA, and CA and not in states that he won. It doesn't matter in CA anyway he would have lost anyway even if Illegal Immigrants did/didn't vote.
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« Reply #51 on: November 27, 2016, 08:28:49 PM »

Yeah Trump really went to Loving County, Texas himself and committed voter fraud since Trump voted in NY(NYC to be exact.)

That's really ridiculous to recount every state that Trump won like Trump would have lost SD, ND, MT, KS, OK, TX, LA, MS, MO, AR, TN, KY, SC, IN, WY, UT to begin with? None of those states would Hillary have won anyway.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that Trump explicitly authorized or orchestrated the fraud in Loving County, or anywhere else.  I'm simply asking why his supporters found it necessary to rig the election.  The numbers don't lie.
So your saying his supporters voted twice in some states that he won? Is that it?

What do you mean, 'is that it?'   This is voter fraud - a very serious issue that Republicans have tirelessly worked to discuss and even prevent.

Trump is looking to have lost nationally by 2.5 million votes, but if the fraud of Loving County is any indication, the REAL number may be much larger.  Millions of illegal votes cast for an illegitimate president.  How can we have any trust in democracy?  Trust in our system of government?  Trump supporters not only committed voter fraud, but the man himself appears to be openly admitting it.

The Republicans did not commit voter fraud.  Prove it.

To all the millions of disgruntled malcontents out there:

You lost.

Get over it.

We will begin work on the Supreme Court immediately after taking power.

Thank  you so much Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin for your invaluable support.

Because of you, we will now have a Supreme Court for a generation with justices who respect the constitution.

At least of couple old frauds for Trump committed voter fraud. With that said, this is not some pickup basketball game where you run a victory lap and taunt your opponents. This is serious and real life. If Trump goes nuts on social media, how on earth do you think he will handle foreign affairs? We are in big trouble and people are right to be concerned.

But as usual, it's all about winning and titles for some people.
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« Reply #52 on: November 27, 2016, 08:31:26 PM »

The Republicans did not commit voter fraud.  Prove it.

Winfield, I have literally proved it already:

a. Trump himself says millions of ballots were illegally cast.
b. The number of registered voters in Loving County (where Trump allegedly received 89% of the vote) exceeds the population.
c. The number of ballots cast in Loving County exceeds the above-18 citizen population of the county - meaning at least some of those ballots were cast illegally even if they otherwise had 100% voter turnout (which would make them the only county in the entire nation to have done so).

Can you dispute these facts?  Or are you merely going to gloat about how your adulterous candidate is going to appoint Supreme Court justices?

....Yeah in states he lost like NH, VA, and CA and not in states that he won.

Are you suggesting that voter fraud only occurred in these states and not in places like Loving County, Texas where the number of registered voters is higher than the number of recorded residents?
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« Reply #53 on: November 27, 2016, 08:38:17 PM »

Yeah Trump really went to Loving County, Texas himself and committed voter fraud since Trump voted in NY(NYC to be exact.)

That's really ridiculous to recount every state that Trump won like Trump would have lost SD, ND, MT, KS, OK, TX, LA, MS, MO, AR, TN, KY, SC, IN, WY, UT to begin with? None of those states would Hillary have won anyway.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that Trump explicitly authorized or orchestrated the fraud in Loving County, or anywhere else.  I'm simply asking why his supporters found it necessary to rig the election.  The numbers don't lie.
So your saying his supporters voted twice in some states that he won? Is that it?

What do you mean, 'is that it?'   This is voter fraud - a very serious issue that Republicans have tirelessly worked to discuss and even prevent.

Trump is looking to have lost nationally by 2.5 million votes, but if the fraud of Loving County is any indication, the REAL number may be much larger.  Millions of illegal votes cast for an illegitimate president.  How can we have any trust in democracy?  Trust in our system of government?  Trump supporters not only committed voter fraud, but the man himself appears to be openly admitting it.

The Republicans did not commit voter fraud.  Prove it.

To all the millions of disgruntled malcontents out there:

You lost.

Get over it.

We will begin work on the Supreme Court immediately after taking power.

Thank  you so much Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin for your invaluable support.

Because of you, we will now have a Supreme Court for a generation with justices who respect the constitution.

At least of couple old frauds for Trump committed voter fraud. With that said, this is not some pickup basketball game where you run a victory lap and taunt your opponents. This is serious and real life. If Trump goes nuts on social media, how on earth do you think he will handle foreign affairs? We are in big trouble and people are right to be concerned.

But as usual, it's all about winning and titles for some people.
I do agree with you on your observation on Trump regarding foreign affairs.

Well politics has been like a professional sport for awhile now on both sides of the aisle.

With that said I don't think "Lincoln Republican" was trying to taunt anybody he was just saying that the election is over from his vantage point.
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« Reply #54 on: November 27, 2016, 08:46:20 PM »

The Republicans did not commit voter fraud.  Prove it.

Winfield, I have literally proved it already:

a. Trump himself says millions of ballots were illegally cast.
b. The number of registered voters in Loving County (where Trump allegedly received 89% of the vote) exceeds the population.
c. The number of ballots cast in Loving County exceeds the above-18 citizen population of the county - meaning at least some of those ballots were cast illegally even if they otherwise had 100% voter turnout (which would make them the only county in the entire nation to have done so).

Can you dispute these facts?  Or are you merely going to gloat about how your adulterous candidate is going to appoint Supreme Court justices?

....Yeah in states he lost like NH, VA, and CA and not in states that he won.

Are you suggesting that voter fraud only occurred in these states and not in places like Loving County, Texas where the number of registered voters is higher than the number of recorded residents?
Well Trump said there was voter fraud in NH, VA, and CA.

You said there was illegal voting(people voting twice) for Trump in Loving County, TX and maybe other states that Trump won,

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« Reply #55 on: November 27, 2016, 09:03:52 PM »

Well Trump said there was voter fraud in NH, VA, and CA.

You said there was illegal voting(people voting twice) for Trump in Loving County, TX and maybe other states that Trump won,

No. He said in the first tweet that there was voter fraud.

Then in subsequent tweets he used those states as an example, never exclusively referring to them. A distinction with a huge diffidence.
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« Reply #56 on: November 27, 2016, 09:05:26 PM »

can we have president pence now?

he won't eff up  the country in a way which can't be reversed.

Pence at least gives his office the respect it deserves. I have no doubt that he would do the same for the presidency. Trump doesn't give a 💩 about it.
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« Reply #57 on: November 27, 2016, 09:29:55 PM »

There is no question whatsoever that many illegals voted, and the vast majority voted for Clinton.   One needs look no further than the concerted efforts by democrats to oppose even the most rudimentary voter ID laws to know that the democrats know they benefit immensely from fraudulent voters.  If that were not the case, why in the world would they be so adamantly behind preventing voting requirements that any sane person would support?
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« Reply #58 on: November 27, 2016, 09:37:13 PM »

All the states that voted for him should be droned.
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« Reply #59 on: November 27, 2016, 09:56:06 PM »

There is no question whatsoever that many illegals voted, and the vast majority voted for Clinton.   One needs look no further than the concerted efforts by democrats to oppose even the most rudimentary voter ID laws to know that the democrats know they benefit immensely from fraudulent voters.  If that were not the case, why in the world would they be so adamantly behind preventing voting requirements that any sane person would support?

There is absolutely a question, lol. You claim millions of fraudulent votes, provide some evidence. Should be easy if 1 out of every 60 Hillary votes was illegal, right?
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« Reply #60 on: November 27, 2016, 10:04:26 PM »

There is no question whatsoever that many illegals voted, and the vast majority voted for Clinton.   One needs look no further than the concerted efforts by democrats to oppose even the most rudimentary voter ID laws to know that the democrats know they benefit immensely from fraudulent voters.  If that were not the case, why in the world would they be so adamantly behind preventing voting requirements that any sane person would support?

This is very vague... What voting requirements are you talking about?  Some of them disproportionately impact Democratic voters.  For instance, Republicans generally oppose same day registration.. that's fine for them because most of their voters are old and/or rural voters that don't tend to move a lot and just register in one county for a long time.  On the other hand, democrats tend to be younger, more urban and transient and forget to register to vote until right before major elections.  Obviously making it more difficult to register disproportionately impacts Democrats.  I believe that is the main reason Democrats oppose stricter voter laws, not because they want to cart busloads of people from Mexico to vote illegally. 

Additionally, a lot of the states where this issue has popped up, e.g., North Carolina, don't have massive amounts of illegal immigrants.  The fight is largely about how Republicans cut back early voting locations and hours.

Democrats have teams of lawyers fighting the simple requirement to show an ID to vote.   That is the one that has allowed massive voting by illegals.
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« Reply #61 on: November 27, 2016, 10:06:54 PM »

Democrats have teams of lawyers fighting the simple requirement to show an ID to vote.   That is the one that has allowed massive voting by illegals.

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« Reply #62 on: November 27, 2016, 10:13:18 PM »

Now that the president-elect has cast doubt on the accuracy of the vote count, it is essential that all states he won are recounted and every last bit of voter fraud for Trump is exposed.

Take Loving County, Texas, where Trump got 89% of the vote.  The number of votes cast there means that every person over 18 who lives there is a citizen without a felony conviction, has registered to vote, *and* returned a valid ballot.  The turnout in the rest of rural Texas is well below 100%.  Doesn't this seem strange to you?

Why did Trump have to commit voter fraud in a state that always votes Republican?  The public has a right to know.

Imagine if the elections officers of Loving County had strict voter ID (and not the BS watered down version), as well as 90 days of time before voting begins to eliminate false/dead/lapsed voter registrations!
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« Reply #63 on: November 27, 2016, 10:39:26 PM »
« Edited: November 27, 2016, 10:47:40 PM by Lincoln Republican »

There are no doubt isolated actual and alleged  incidents of voter fraud out there.

I am not disputing the situation in Loving County.

But that is not as a result of the Republican Party per say.

It would be as a result of some rogue elements or wing nut perpetrators.

When President Elect Trump says millions of ballots were illegally cast, he is obviously not accusing the Republican Party of voter fraud.

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« Reply #64 on: November 27, 2016, 11:40:08 PM »

Here is McMullin's response:

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« Reply #65 on: November 27, 2016, 11:56:21 PM »

The Republicans did not commit voter fraud.  Prove it.

To all the millions of disgruntled malcontents out there:

You lost.

Get over it.

We will begin work on the Supreme Court immediately after taking power.

Thank  you so much Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin for your invaluable support.

Because of you, we will now have a Supreme Court for a generation with justices who respect the constitution.
What if Trump's appointees to the Supreme Court turn out to be just as unreliably conservative as Sandra Day O'Connor, Anthony Kennedy, and David Souter?
Don't you realize that no President has any control over their appointees to the Court after the appointment has been made?
I used to vote Republican because I wanted the Supreme Court to be objective and render interpretations of the Constitution that were based on the original meaning of each clause. The Bush v. Gore decision proved to me that Republicans don't actually appoint people like that. This year I voted for Evan McMullin.
If Trump plans to appoint more people like Antonin Scalia, like he said he wanted, then I very much hope that the Senate rejects those nominees. IMO, Scalia was mediocre; he was not a consistently objective interpreter of the Constitution, and he certainly was no originalist. If Democrats unite in opposition to any Scalia clones, they might be able to get the votes of Senators Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, and one more moderate like John Hoeven to defeat them.
On the other hand, if Trump nominates someone who is a clone of Oliver Wendell Holmes, Benjamin Cardozo, or Hugo Black, then I'll cheer along with you that Trump is going to actually improve the Supreme Court and the Constitution will be interpreted objectively and accurately. But if Trump nominates anyone like them, it would be extremely surprising to me.
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« Reply #66 on: November 28, 2016, 12:42:23 AM »

Trump cries "serious voter fraud" in the three states of VA, NH, and CA.

The Hill: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/307626-trump-claims-serious-voter-fraud-in-3-states
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« Reply #67 on: November 28, 2016, 01:22:14 AM »

Republicans want to suppress minority turnout, as they have done at the state level, do ensure their victory in elections. Restrictions on early voting, closing of polling places, voter ID, it is voter suppression and it ensured Trump's victory. Trump is paving the path for a further attack on voting rights, and by extension, on American democracy itself.
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« Reply #68 on: November 28, 2016, 09:42:50 AM »

Uh, for sure. Where is the proof, Mr. Drumpf? But I guess you won’t come up with one, because there is none. And then blame the media for pointing out another lie. Once again the Trumpster behaves like a little crying baby when you took its candy away. This kind of behavior is unacceptable for any public official, even for a small-town mayor; let alone the White House.

And by the way, didn’t the incoming faker-in-chief claim he would have won the PV without the EC, because he would have campaigned in states like CA and NY? LOL at Drumpf. Grow up and try again.
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« Reply #69 on: November 28, 2016, 09:52:40 AM »

I think Trump is probably right about this.  It is well known that there has been systematic voter fraud in Democratic strongholds going back to the 19th century; the big city machines in New York City, Chicago, Philadelphia, Detroit, etc.  Wherever organized crime or "community organizers" have a heavy presence.  Or, millions of illegal aliens.  Trump may be stirring up a hornets nest on this one, but if he wants to drain the swamp...

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« Reply #70 on: November 28, 2016, 09:55:28 AM »

LOL, definitely not.
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« Reply #71 on: November 28, 2016, 11:24:07 AM »

The Republicans did not commit voter fraud.  Prove it.

To all the millions of disgruntled malcontents out there:

You lost.

Get over it.

We will begin work on the Supreme Court immediately after taking power.

Thank  you so much Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin for your invaluable support.

Because of you, we will now have a Supreme Court for a generation with justices who respect the constitution.
What if Trump's appointees to the Supreme Court turn out to be just as unreliably conservative as Sandra Day O'Connor, Anthony Kennedy, and David Souter?
Don't you realize that no President has any control over their appointees to the Court after the appointment has been made?
I used to vote Republican because I wanted the Supreme Court to be objective and render interpretations of the Constitution that were based on the original meaning of each clause. The Bush v. Gore decision proved to me that Republicans don't actually appoint people like that. This year I voted for Evan McMullin.
If Trump plans to appoint more people like Antonin Scalia, like he said he wanted, then I very much hope that the Senate rejects those nominees. IMO, Scalia was mediocre; he was not a consistently objective interpreter of the Constitution, and he certainly was no originalist. If Democrats unite in opposition to any Scalia clones, they might be able to get the votes of Senators Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, and one more moderate like John Hoeven to defeat them.
On the other hand, if Trump nominates someone who is a clone of Oliver Wendell Holmes, Benjamin Cardozo, or Hugo Black, then I'll cheer along with you that Trump is going to actually improve the Supreme Court and the Constitution will be interpreted objectively and accurately. But if Trump nominates anyone like them, it would be extremely surprising to me.

Thank you.

You have raised some valid points.

Indeed, one cannot accurately predict where a Justice on the court will come down on certain issues.  

Even back to President Eisenhower, when he appointed Earl Warren as Chief Justice, believing him to be the kind of Justice needed, Eisenhower reportedly referred to his appointment of Warren as the biggest mistake he had ever made, as Warren steered the court down a liberal path.

But Trump has released a list of conservative Justices he would appoint.  Many of these are outstanding jurists, who would make excellent Supreme Court Justices.
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« Reply #72 on: November 28, 2016, 11:31:09 AM »

So you are saying in fact  that Trump supporters voted twice. Ok I just wanted to know if that is where you getting at.

How is Trump saying his supporters committed voter fraud? I know you are saying that you yourself are saying that Trump Supporters committed Voter Fraud.

Trump is saying there were millions of illegal ballots cast.  I happened to find some just by comparing the population and the voter turnout in Loving County, Texas, where Trump allegedly received 89% of the vote.  There is more out there - we just have to find it.
The estimated population for Loving county in 2015 was 112. 64 voters in a small rural county is not that hard to imagine.
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« Reply #73 on: November 28, 2016, 11:33:25 AM »

So since Trump believes there was massive fraud in the election results, I assume he fully supports efforts to recount the votes to ensure this fraud is properly exposed and those responsible for it are brought to justice.
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« Reply #74 on: November 28, 2016, 01:54:50 PM »

Wut?? But he tweeted this barely two weeks ago:

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What a joke, little Donny.
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