Ohio State Attack

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Glad to report to Atlas Forum that I am safe

I forgot you go there; thank God you're alright! CNN is saying the suspect was a black male using a car and a machete. Apparently an eyewitness claimed it took multiple shots to take him down.

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So was it a shooting, or was the guy attacking with a machete?

All the shots fired were by police I think.

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CNN is already floating the idea that the big bad Muslims are to blame. I guess terrorism is a better way to get viewers.

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With a name like "Abdul Razak Artan" there is no need to release a motive. People will have already assigned a motive of "radical islamic terrorism," regardless of what any official says.

If you were a betting man, what motive would you assign for this guy?

Social isolation, plus fear and anger at seeing the nation he's living in elect a stupid Nazi?

So he's the victim right? Those people deserved to be stabbed right? Is that what you're saying here?

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Am I the only one who didn't interpret Spicy Purrito's post as a "justification" for the attack?

If you're going to excuse the attack or somehow equate the attackers hurt feelings to this response, that to me basically sounds like a justification.

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Am I the only one who didn't interpret Spicy Purrito's post as a "justification" for the attack?

I dont think anyone read it as attempting to justify the attack. It just reads as clueless that someone thinks this guy was otherwise normal until trump gets elected and then all of a sudden that is the trauma that pushes him over the edge. I definitely agree with waiting for more info on the motive whether it be islam or trump.

I suspect it was someone hurting, someone who felt alienated and alone, someone who needed help but didn't recieve it, who was pushed over the edge by trump. It's important to remember that many members of ethnic minorities were really freaked out that someone who's primary election strategy was to attack those who where different is now president.

Uh... I am an ethnic minority, and so are my American Jewish friends, many of whom weren't exactly pleased when Trump was elected... and they may feel bad, but they don't go around on campus stabbing people or driving cars into people. It's bizarre how some folks on the left think people doing crazy things because they are "pushed over the edge by Trump" is in any way an excuse or a justification. You cannot blame Trump or anyone else for this. You can only blame the guy who did it. There is still something like people's own responsibility in this world. People have agency. People have a choice. This guy made the wrong one. Can't blame Trump or anyone else for that.

And it's pretty insulting to assume ethnic minorities somehow can't be expected to not attack people just because Trump was elected.

My point was that trump was the spark that caused the keg to blow up, metaphorically speaking. We (or at least I) are not arguing that this is all trump's fault. Something else likely would have triggered this if trump had lost. trump was just the final straw. This is someone who was hurting badly enough to turn to violence. I don't assume that members of ethnic minorities are doomed to violence just because of trump. He pushed someone who was already falling apart over the edge, with tragic results.

Most of this called hysteria and projection in the psychological community, I believe.

And yet you still can't directly blame the attacker (an Islamic fundie-2016 has made strange bedfellows, as Simfan recently noted) for his actions.

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Am I the only one who didn't interpret Spicy Purrito's post as a "justification" for the attack?

I dont think anyone read it as attempting to justify the attack. It just reads as clueless that someone thinks this guy was otherwise normal until trump gets elected and then all of a sudden that is the trauma that pushes him over the edge. I definitely agree with waiting for more info on the motive whether it be islam or trump.

I suspect it was someone hurting, someone who felt alienated and alone, someone who needed help but didn't recieve it, who was pushed over the edge by trump. It's important to remember that many members of ethnic minorities were really freaked out that someone who's primary election strategy was to attack those who where different is now president.

Uh... I am an ethnic minority, and so are my American Jewish friends, many of whom weren't exactly pleased when Trump was elected... and they may feel bad, but they don't go around on campus stabbing people or driving cars into people. It's bizarre how some folks on the left think people doing crazy things because they are "pushed over the edge by Trump" is in any way an excuse or a justification. You cannot blame Trump or anyone else for this. You can only blame the guy who did it. There is still something like people's own responsibility in this world. People have agency. People have a choice. This guy made the wrong one. Can't blame Trump or anyone else for that.

And it's pretty insulting to assume ethnic minorities somehow can't be expected to not attack people just because Trump was elected.

My point was that trump was the spark that caused the keg to blow up, metaphorically speaking. We (or at least I) are not arguing that this is all trump's fault. Something else likely would have triggered this if trump had lost. trump was just the final straw. This is someone who was hurting badly enough to turn to violence. I don't assume that members of ethnic minorities are doomed to violence just because of trump. He pushed someone who was already falling apart over the edge, with tragic results.

Most of this called hysteria and projection in the psychological community, I believe.

And yet you still can't directly blame the attacker (an Islamic fundie-2016 has made strange bedfellows, as Simfan recently noted) for his actions.

Is there even evidence that he was a fundimentalist?

Darker skin and a funny name. Enough to make him a terrorist mastermind to the permanent terrified cultists of President-elect Pussygrabber.

I was thinking about the Facebook posts where he praised ISIS leaders, but whatever. You can't reason with fundamentalists any better than you can butthurt Clinton supporters apparently.

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Am I the only one who didn't interpret Spicy Purrito's post as a "justification" for the attack?

I dont think anyone read it as attempting to justify the attack. It just reads as clueless that someone thinks this guy was otherwise normal until trump gets elected and then all of a sudden that is the trauma that pushes him over the edge. I definitely agree with waiting for more info on the motive whether it be islam or trump.

I suspect it was someone hurting, someone who felt alienated and alone, someone who needed help but didn't recieve it, who was pushed over the edge by trump. It's important to remember that many members of ethnic minorities were really freaked out that someone who's primary election strategy was to attack those who where different is now president.

Uh... I am an ethnic minority, and so are my American Jewish friends, many of whom weren't exactly pleased when Trump was elected... and they may feel bad, but they don't go around on campus stabbing people or driving cars into people. It's bizarre how some folks on the left think people doing crazy things because they are "pushed over the edge by Trump" is in any way an excuse or a justification. You cannot blame Trump or anyone else for this. You can only blame the guy who did it. There is still something like people's own responsibility in this world. People have agency. People have a choice. This guy made the wrong one. Can't blame Trump or anyone else for that.

And it's pretty insulting to assume ethnic minorities somehow can't be expected to not attack people just because Trump was elected.

My point was that trump was the spark that caused the keg to blow up, metaphorically speaking. We (or at least I) are not arguing that this is all trump's fault. Something else likely would have triggered this if trump had lost. trump was just the final straw. This is someone who was hurting badly enough to turn to violence. I don't assume that members of ethnic minorities are doomed to violence just because of trump. He pushed someone who was already falling apart over the edge, with tragic results.

Most of this called hysteria and projection in the psychological community, I believe.

And yet you still can't directly blame the attacker (an Islamic fundie-2016 has made strange bedfellows, as Simfan recently noted) for his actions.

Is there even evidence that he was a fundimentalist?

Darker skin and a funny name. Enough to make him a terrorist mastermind to the permanent terrified cultists of President-elect Pussygrabber.

I was thinking about the Facebook posts where he praised ISIS leaders, but whatever.

And where are these "Facebook posts where he praised ISIS leaders"? In imagination land, where Pussygrabber is a successful business tycoon, instead of a con artist and actor?

On his Facebook? On the news?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/29/us/ohio-state-university-attack/

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Am I the only one who didn't interpret Spicy Purrito's post as a "justification" for the attack?

I dont think anyone read it as attempting to justify the attack. It just reads as clueless that someone thinks this guy was otherwise normal until trump gets elected and then all of a sudden that is the trauma that pushes him over the edge. I definitely agree with waiting for more info on the motive whether it be islam or trump.

I suspect it was someone hurting, someone who felt alienated and alone, someone who needed help but didn't recieve it, who was pushed over the edge by trump. It's important to remember that many members of ethnic minorities were really freaked out that someone who's primary election strategy was to attack those who where different is now president.

Uh... I am an ethnic minority, and so are my American Jewish friends, many of whom weren't exactly pleased when Trump was elected... and they may feel bad, but they don't go around on campus stabbing people or driving cars into people. It's bizarre how some folks on the left think people doing crazy things because they are "pushed over the edge by Trump" is in any way an excuse or a justification. You cannot blame Trump or anyone else for this. You can only blame the guy who did it. There is still something like people's own responsibility in this world. People have agency. People have a choice. This guy made the wrong one. Can't blame Trump or anyone else for that.

And it's pretty insulting to assume ethnic minorities somehow can't be expected to not attack people just because Trump was elected.

My point was that trump was the spark that caused the keg to blow up, metaphorically speaking. We (or at least I) are not arguing that this is all trump's fault. Something else likely would have triggered this if trump had lost. trump was just the final straw. This is someone who was hurting badly enough to turn to violence. I don't assume that members of ethnic minorities are doomed to violence just because of trump. He pushed someone who was already falling apart over the edge, with tragic results.

Most of this called hysteria and projection in the psychological community, I believe.

And yet you still can't directly blame the attacker (an Islamic fundie-2016 has made strange bedfellows, as Simfan recently noted) for his actions.

Is there even evidence that he was a fundimentalist?

Darker skin and a funny name. Enough to make him a terrorist mastermind to the permanent terrified cultists of President-elect Pussygrabber.

I was thinking about the Facebook posts where he praised ISIS leaders, but whatever.

And where are these "Facebook posts where he praised ISIS leaders"? In imagination land, where Pussygrabber is a successful business tycoon, instead of a con artist and actor?

On his Facebook? On the news?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/29/us/ohio-state-university-attack/

Says nothing about him praising ISIS leaders. You're delusional and making stuff up.

Was the CNN report aired on TV wrong?  No. But Fox elaborates.

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Keep digging buddy!

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On his Facebook? On the news?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/29/us/ohio-state-university-attack/

And even that story paints a much greyer picture then "generic evil isis guy".

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This man was incredibly misguided, but he wasn't some heartless killer.

Seriously? Are you seriously still trying to paint his actions as if somehow he was the real victim?

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I'm just going to note that I initially sneered at the suggestion that this was an Islamic inspired attack and sadly I was wrong. It's a shame that Tweed wannabe Runeghost's personal dislike for me is strong enough for him to find a way to a) repeatedly grasp at straws in the face of the obvious, and worse, b) outright justify the attack and find a way to pin the blame on me and the millions of other Americans who took a stand for Trump. Sad!

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I'm just going to note that I initially sneered at the suggestion that this was an Islamic inspired attack and sadly I was wrong. It's a shame that Tweed wannabe Runeghost's personal dislike for me is strong enough for him to find a way to a) repeatedly grasp at straws in the face of the obvious, and worse, b) outright justify the attack and find a way to pin the blame on me and the millions of other Americans who took a stand for Trump. Sad!

Lies, name-calling and more lies, to cover up that you got caught lying and had it pointed out what a hypocrite you are. President-elect Pussygrabber couldn't ask for a more enthusiastic imitator.

You denied the media was reporting that the attacker pledged allegiance to radical Islamists like Al-Awlaki and have nothing to fall back on but technicalities. That was a lie on your part. You've been referring to our President-elect as "Pussygrabber" and me as a "racist," "liar," and so on. That is name-calling on your part.

And now, you're being hypocritical by calling me out for your behavior. So I suspect you're a troll who hasn't left like the other election year trolls, or you're extremely dull (and helplessly butthurt too). Either way, I'm very much amused by it all.

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This thread is a massive dumpster fire.

I feel people who consistently say that only say it because they never have anything to say.

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I'm just going to note that I initially sneered at the suggestion that this was an Islamic inspired attack and sadly I was wrong. It's a shame that Tweed wannabe Runeghost's personal dislike for me is strong enough for him to find a way to a) repeatedly grasp at straws in the face of the obvious, and worse, b) outright justify the attack and find a way to pin the blame on me and the millions of other Americans who took a stand for Trump. Sad!

Lies, name-calling and more lies, to cover up that you got caught lying and had it pointed out what a hypocrite you are. President-elect Pussygrabber couldn't ask for a more enthusiastic imitator.

You denied the media was reporting that the attacker pledged allegiance to radical Islamists like Al-Awlaki and have nothing to fall back on but technicalities. That was a lie on your part. You've been referring to our President-elect as "Pussygrabber" and me as a "racist," "liar," and so on. That is name-calling on your part.

How dare you suggest that referring to President-elect Pussygrabber in the fashion that he has so clearly demonstrated he deems appropriate for addressing prominent national figures is "name-calling"? For shame sir (or ma'am). For shame.

Like your cult leader, you're still making stuff up.  You said,

I was thinking about the Facebook posts where he praised ISIS leaders, but whatever.

You have yet to produce any evidence for what you claim. Because you made it up. That makes you a liar.  And I certainly didn't call you a racist directly, although if you self-identify as a "permanently terrified cultist of President-elect Pussygrabber" who is afraid of people with brown skin then feel free to (accurately) consider yourself a racist, too.

What difference does ISIS and Al Qaida make? Is 9/11 suddenly ok because they aren't ISIS?

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On his Facebook? On the news?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/29/us/ohio-state-university-attack/

And even that story paints a much greyer picture then "generic evil isis guy".

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This man was incredibly misguided, but he wasn't some heartless killer.

Seriously? Are you seriously still trying to paint his actions as if somehow he was the real victim?

There is a lot of grey area between completely innocent and heartless monster. Your questionable (read: stupid) interpretation of my comment implies that you don't understand this.

No. People should be judged by actions, not intentions. Would you defend Don Blankenship if he came through here and posted "Oh jeez! I'm sorry! I didn't mean for my coal mine to collapse and kill 100 workers!"

If you run around stabbing people who never did anything to you because of an emotional reaction to perceived slights, then you ran around stabbing people who never did anything to you because of an emotional reaction you had to a perceived slight. If you did it, you did it. If the crime is worse than what motivated it, it is always an immoral act.

Quit being obtuse and admit: you're glad this happened, because you want this type of violence. It satisfies you politically at best and at worst it satisfies you psychologically.