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Figueira
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« on: November 30, 2016, 11:02:03 AM »

The Republican attacks on people who live in urban areas are disgusting.
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« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2016, 10:13:46 PM »

Hypothetically if a republican candidate got 90% of the vote in the southern states and won the popular vote but lost all the other states should that person be president?  I don't think so.

If you get the most votes, you should win, regardless of where those people live.
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« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2016, 11:25:49 PM »


Nor is it a particularly good argument for it.

People in Los Angeles and Chicago live in the US and have to follow its laws, so why shouldn't they have a say in who gets to be its leader?
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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2016, 12:19:16 PM »

Hypothetically if a republican candidate got 90% of the vote in the southern states and won the popular vote but lost all the other states should that person be president?  I don't think so.
No, he should. My opinions on how elections work don't change when the parties flip.
And part of the justification for this is that in the case you site, the person would need significant minority support in the rest of the country to win the popular vote. My only fear in that regard is a 3 person race skewing it even further.

Exactly. You don't get 90% of the Southern vote unless (a) you're winning lots of minorities, or (b) there's some serious vote suppression going on.
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« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2017, 04:16:56 PM »

The idea that the EC serves to "protect" rural areas against big cities doesn't really hold water. It slightly exaggerates the voting power of smaller states, which are usually more rural, but its main effect by far is to massively increase the voting power of people in swing states. Rural Texans or Kansans have much less influence than urban Denverites or Philadelphians.

The argument that it prevents small states from being neglected is pretty bogus also: the candidates spend plenty of time and money campaigning in NH, but almost none in WY, ND, or SD.

Not really accurate.  What it does is make states matter in the first place, since we are a collection of 50 distinct states.  If the EC were proportional (without the two EV bonus to every state), Wyoming would have 1/436 (or 0.23%) of the votes.  Instead, it has 3/538 (or 0.56%) of the votes, more than double the power it would otherwise have.  The EC works to protect our federalist system.

But individual people in Wyoming have zero power.
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