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Jimmy Carter
 
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Ronald Reagan
 
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George H. W. Bush
 
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Bill Clinton
 
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George W. Bush
 
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Barack Obama
 
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« Reply #25 on: October 26, 2016, 10:49:05 PM »

What's up with all the Carter love on Atlas?  Guy was a lousy president, point blank.  Too arrogant to be effective domestically or enact his agenda.
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« Reply #26 on: October 27, 2016, 05:16:47 AM »

What's up with all the Carter love on Atlas?  Guy was a lousy president, point blank.  Too arrogant to be effective domestically or enact his agenda.
It's because of the alternatives
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« Reply #27 on: October 27, 2016, 11:27:18 PM »

Reagan and W. Bush
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« Reply #28 on: October 27, 2016, 11:42:30 PM »

Carter and no second choice.
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« Reply #29 on: October 28, 2016, 12:21:50 AM »

Obama and Clinton.
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« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2016, 08:01:23 PM »

I have a mildly positive opinion of both Carter and Obama. The rest are varying shades of negative. Ranking would look as follows:

Carter
Obama
Bush the Elder
Clinton
Bush the Younger
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« Reply #31 on: October 31, 2016, 12:29:07 PM »

Carter and GWB
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« Reply #32 on: October 31, 2016, 12:45:12 PM »

Obama and Carter. That's ridiculously easy considering how terrible all the others are.
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« Reply #33 on: October 31, 2016, 12:54:28 PM »

Poppy and Bubba.

Why are people voting for the failure that is Carter?
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« Reply #34 on: October 31, 2016, 02:43:16 PM »

Poppy and Bubba.

Why are people voting for the failure that is Carter?

He's probably had the best post-Presidency of any President.  Has a kickass biography.  Deregulated the airlines and moved  the dial on peace in the Middle East.  Pretty successful record actually. 
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« Reply #35 on: October 31, 2016, 03:45:09 PM »

Poppy and Bubba.

Why are people voting for the failure that is Carter?

He's probably had the best post-Presidency of any President.  Has a kickass biography.  Deregulated the airlines and moved  the dial on peace in the Middle East.  Pretty successful record actually. 

Carter deserves credit for making peace w/ Israel and Egypt, but he had not accomplished anything else in the region.

It was Reagan who initiated real peace talks w/ the Palestinians (via recognizing and meeting w/ PLO).
It was Reagan (with a weapons sale to Saudi Arabia) and H.W. Bush (with his warm relationship w/ the Arab world) who helped cultivate closer relations w/ regional powers that would later be used to participate in initiatives that benefit U.S. national interests (including peace).
It was Clinton who made peace w/ Jordan + moved the needle on the Israeli-Palestinian talks in the 1990's and early 2000's.
It was W. Bush who made the roadmap for peace w/ Israel and the Palestinians that eventually led to the withdrawal from Gaza. 

And it is of very important note to state that Carter had not contributed to any of these peace talk breakthroughs. In fact, Carter's main role post-presidency was to serve as a constant nuisance and a constant supporter of enemies of the United States (Hamas, Hugo Chavez etc...etc...).

It should also not be forgotten that Carter was directly responsible for the Iranian Hostage Crisis (which he horrible mismanaged) by not supporting the Shah before his downfall.

Carter joins Eisenhower, Ford, and now Obama as well, as President's with incredibly flawed foreign policies.

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« Reply #36 on: October 31, 2016, 07:02:21 PM »

Obama and Carter. That's ridiculously easy considering how terrible all the others are.
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« Reply #37 on: November 01, 2016, 04:20:52 PM »

Poppy and Bubba.

Why are people voting for the failure that is Carter?

He's probably had the best post-Presidency of any President.  Has a kickass biography.  Deregulated the airlines and moved  the dial on peace in the Middle East.  Pretty successful record actually. 

Carter deserves credit for making peace w/ Israel and Egypt, but he had not accomplished anything else in the region.

It was Reagan who initiated real peace talks w/ the Palestinians (via recognizing and meeting w/ PLO).
It was Reagan (with a weapons sale to Saudi Arabia) and H.W. Bush (with his warm relationship w/ the Arab world) who helped cultivate closer relations w/ regional powers that would later be used to participate in initiatives that benefit U.S. national interests (including peace).
It was Clinton who made peace w/ Jordan + moved the needle on the Israeli-Palestinian talks in the 1990's and early 2000's.
It was W. Bush who made the roadmap for peace w/ Israel and the Palestinians that eventually led to the withdrawal from Gaza. 

And it is of very important note to state that Carter had not contributed to any of these peace talk breakthroughs. In fact, Carter's main role post-presidency was to serve as a constant nuisance and a constant supporter of enemies of the United States (Hamas, Hugo Chavez etc...etc...).

It should also not be forgotten that Carter was directly responsible for the Iranian Hostage Crisis (which he horrible mismanaged) by not supporting the Shah before his downfall.

Carter joins Eisenhower, Ford, and now Obama as well, as President's with incredibly flawed foreign policies.



Eisenhower had a pretty good foreign policy, he ended the korean war with south korea still a US ally, and expanded on Truman policy of containment. Also if Bay of Pigs happened under IKE it would have been successful .
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« Reply #38 on: November 02, 2016, 04:40:10 AM »

Obama and Carter.

Clinton and GHW Bush are acceptable.

Reagan and GWB are just bad.
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« Reply #39 on: November 02, 2016, 10:13:45 AM »

Obama is first, by far. Carter narrowly edges out Bill for second place.
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« Reply #40 on: November 02, 2016, 07:31:43 PM »

Poppy and Bubba.

Why are people voting for the failure that is Carter?

He's probably had the best post-Presidency of any President.  Has a kickass biography.  Deregulated the airlines and moved  the dial on peace in the Middle East.  Pretty successful record actually. 

Carter deserves credit for making peace w/ Israel and Egypt, but he had not accomplished anything else in the region.

It was Reagan who initiated real peace talks w/ the Palestinians (via recognizing and meeting w/ PLO).
It was Reagan (with a weapons sale to Saudi Arabia) and H.W. Bush (with his warm relationship w/ the Arab world) who helped cultivate closer relations w/ regional powers that would later be used to participate in initiatives that benefit U.S. national interests (including peace).
It was Clinton who made peace w/ Jordan + moved the needle on the Israeli-Palestinian talks in the 1990's and early 2000's.
It was W. Bush who made the roadmap for peace w/ Israel and the Palestinians that eventually led to the withdrawal from Gaza. 

And it is of very important note to state that Carter had not contributed to any of these peace talk breakthroughs. In fact, Carter's main role post-presidency was to serve as a constant nuisance and a constant supporter of enemies of the United States (Hamas, Hugo Chavez etc...etc...).

It should also not be forgotten that Carter was directly responsible for the Iranian Hostage Crisis (which he horrible mismanaged) by not supporting the Shah before his downfall.

Carter joins Eisenhower, Ford, and now Obama as well, as President's with incredibly flawed foreign policies.



Eisenhower had a pretty good foreign policy, he ended the korean war with south korea still a US ally, and expanded on Truman policy of containment. Also if Bay of Pigs happened under IKE it would have been successful .


Listen up, APUSH, he's talking about the Middle East! Okay, cool, maybe you don't give a darn about Iran or Operation Ajax, or the Shah, but *at least know what he's referring to*. CONTEXT.
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« Reply #41 on: November 03, 2016, 01:04:18 AM »

Poppy and Bubba.

Why are people voting for the failure that is Carter?

He's probably had the best post-Presidency of any President.  Has a kickass biography.  Deregulated the airlines and moved  the dial on peace in the Middle East.  Pretty successful record actually. 

Carter deserves credit for making peace w/ Israel and Egypt, but he had not accomplished anything else in the region.

It was Reagan who initiated real peace talks w/ the Palestinians (via recognizing and meeting w/ PLO).
It was Reagan (with a weapons sale to Saudi Arabia) and H.W. Bush (with his warm relationship w/ the Arab world) who helped cultivate closer relations w/ regional powers that would later be used to participate in initiatives that benefit U.S. national interests (including peace).
It was Clinton who made peace w/ Jordan + moved the needle on the Israeli-Palestinian talks in the 1990's and early 2000's.
It was W. Bush who made the roadmap for peace w/ Israel and the Palestinians that eventually led to the withdrawal from Gaza. 

And it is of very important note to state that Carter had not contributed to any of these peace talk breakthroughs. In fact, Carter's main role post-presidency was to serve as a constant nuisance and a constant supporter of enemies of the United States (Hamas, Hugo Chavez etc...etc...).

It should also not be forgotten that Carter was directly responsible for the Iranian Hostage Crisis (which he horrible mismanaged) by not supporting the Shah before his downfall.

Carter joins Eisenhower, Ford, and now Obama as well, as President's with incredibly flawed foreign policies.



Eisenhower had a pretty good foreign policy, he ended the korean war with south korea still a US ally, and expanded on Truman policy of containment. Also if Bay of Pigs happened under IKE it would have been successful .


Listen up, APUSH, he's talking about the Middle East! Okay, cool, maybe you don't give a darn about Iran or Operation Ajax, or the Shah, but *at least know what he's referring to*. CONTEXT.

Thank you, Cathcon Smiley

Context is important, computer09.

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« Reply #42 on: February 12, 2017, 08:28:50 AM »

For me it would ne Reagan and G. H. W. Bush. Clinton would be third best
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