How well would Lincoln Chafee, Martin O'Malley, or Jim Webb have done?
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« on: November 30, 2016, 02:42:01 PM »

I think that all three would have been better candidates than Hillary Clinton in the general election against Donald Trump and I'm sure that Jim Webb would've defeated Donald Trump.
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« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2016, 02:45:38 PM »

Webb: Won Bigly
O'Malley: Won
Lessig: Tossup
Chafee: Lost
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« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2016, 02:49:52 PM »

Lincoln Chafee is like, the least charismatic person in the history of the world and would have got his ass handed to him.  Turtle guy vs TRUMP; turtle guy loses.

Jim Webb would peel off some WWC for sure, but would minorities, obviously a very important part of the winning Democratic coalition, turn out for Webb in similar numbers?  I could imagine black turnout cratering for a guy who, correctly or not, says stuff like "affirmative action is racist against whites."  Would really bring the fight to Trump.  Idk.

Martin O'Malley is generic D in the worst sense of the word.  He has none of Hillary's downsides, but also none of her upsides, or really no upsides at all, except being handsome.  He's like the Democratic version of Romney.  Coin flip against TRUMP.

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« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2016, 03:13:46 PM »

webb would have cratered. his only strengths are the same as trump's except much weaker

o'malley would have done slightly better than clinton. end results would probably have been more or less the same though, with republicans fudging the numbers more in mi/wi/pa/etc

chafee would have taken the out-of-touch neoliberal image to the extreme and legitimately lost by a significant margin
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« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2016, 03:24:52 PM »

Webb didn't have the discipline to actually run a campaign operation.

God Bless Linc Chaffee, but he didn't have the spine, or indeed the experience in a state larger than Rhode Island.

It's really, really important to consider the incredible challenge of running a campaign for President. Imagine being the CEO of a 500 million dollar company, but you have to ramp up operations in a matter of weeks, not years. Sure, you hire people to do day to day management, but the candidate A) has to have the judgement and discipline to hire the right people and trust them to manage B) has to be the final place where the buck stops for strategic and managerial decisions. All this while constantly being on TV, flying across the country, raising money, greeting voters, making speeches, and hobnobbing with members of the Party for 10-14 hours out of any given day.

Neither Webb nor Chafee had serious campaigns for the Democratic nomination. Neither had staff, Webb didn't even really have a budget. They fundamentally misunderstood how to run for President in 2016, and would have made HORRIBLE nominees.

M'OM probably would have won, but only because he's a Democrat who would have actually run a campaign whose name wasn't Hillary Clinton. But he's not great.
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« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2016, 06:45:51 PM »

Chafee and Webb would've been dead in the water.

O'Malley is an interesting case. Politically, I'd put him between Clinton and Sanders (closer to Clinton). He's not a self-identifying socialist and he didn't have the email/Benghazi issues, but you could probably dig up something from his time in Maryland and Baltimore and make it into a mountain. I'd have to think on it a bit more, but I think O'Malley would've had a chance. Maybe O'Malley/Klobuchar would've won it?
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