Who Really Won the Election?

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

clinton, obviously

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

Since I am a firm believer in PV and not EC, I believe Hillary Clinton is the true winner, but because of the electoral college system, Trump is president and we have to accept that.

if that were true, he wouldn't be attempting to block the recounts so aggressively ㄟ(ツ)ㄏ

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

Under the system we have for electing presidents, Trump won. The popular vote and other factors can be discussed in terms of their relation to mandates and strength of victories, but the only thing that matters for who won is the electoral collage, which Trump won legitimately.

except he didn't win wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania or florida, and probably others

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

Under the system we have for electing presidents, Trump won. The popular vote and other factors can be discussed in terms of their relation to mandates and strength of victories, but the only thing that matters for who won is the electoral collage, which Trump won legitimately.

except he didn't win wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania or florida, and probably others

I'm definitely not one to defend Trump, but the confidence in our electoral systems is important and I do not believe the kind of fraud or hacking you may be implying was carried out or is even possible. That kind of baseless talk helps no one.

nah
quite the opposite, in fact: given the vicious assaults on the democratic aspects of the american electoral system that the trumpists are about to escalate, sowing mistrust early is entirely necessary

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

Clinton *should* be president.  Trump *will* be.

There are a lot of neo-Nazi racists in America. This is the turning point for America to become a fascist state.  Good job to voters in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin! Half of each of your state's populations are utterly uneducated morons.

If someone had said this about African-American voters who voted in lockstep for Hillary, making the difference in more than one state, they would be pilloried as racists.  And rightly so.  So where's the outrage about this statement about hard-working white American citizens, whom are neither racist nor fascist.

You're another Clintonista who learned nothing over the course of this previous election.  You'll never be alone.

every fckin time