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« on: December 03, 2016, 12:15:11 PM »
« edited: December 03, 2016, 02:00:21 PM by Mr. Morden »

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« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2016, 12:20:12 PM »

Says the guy who supported open borders in 2013. He's just repeating what his Paleocon base wants to hear. Like how he says he's against intervention but wanted to send ground troops to Libya in 2011.
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« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2016, 01:03:40 PM »

All of that is true, but is it really a good thing when we're facing truly global problems, like terrorism and climate change?
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« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2016, 01:07:43 PM »

Nationalists are the elite's useful idiots.
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« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2016, 01:19:27 PM »

Hillary Clinton is an American, born in America, to American parents. The election is over. Trump will be the next POTUS. If he is serious about putting the interests of the American people first, and healing partisan wounds, he should call for a conclusive investigation of Russian hackers who attacked American citizens, and impose sanctions on the parties responsible. As long as he sides with a foreign power that attacked American citizens and interests, his 'nationalism' is a sham.
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« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2016, 01:31:24 PM »

We live on the same planet. Our challenges go beyond our arbitrary borders. We are STRONGER TOGETHER wor king together for the peace and prosperity of humanity.
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« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2016, 02:08:25 PM »
« Edited: December 03, 2016, 02:44:14 PM by Jeffster »

Nationalists are the elite's useful idiots.

You got that wrong. Globalists are the elite's useful idiots. How else could they undermine national labor and environmental laws by opening up free trade with nations that fall far below our standards, without the help of the useful globalist cheerleader idiots here at home?
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« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2016, 02:27:52 PM »

*Eugene V Debs bursts out of his grave yelling about being a citizen of the world*
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« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2016, 02:53:22 PM »

We live on the same planet. Our challenges go beyond our arbitrary borders. We are STRONGER TOGETHER wor king together for the peace and prosperity of humanity.

Hi! I'm an Islamic fundamentalist. I believe that what's best for the world is killing off the infidels!

Hi! I'm a communist. I believe that what's best for the world is redistributing other country's wealth to poorer countries!

Hi! I'm a capitalist. I believe that what's best for the world is less government inclusion!

Hi! I'm a socialist. I believe that what's best for the world is more government inclusion!


You see, the problem with that notion is that everyone has their own beliefs and opinions about the world and how it should function. You want peace? Stop trying to tell other peoples how to live their lives.

Fences make for good neighbors.

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« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2016, 02:55:03 PM »

trump, a man of the 60ies, tells millenials and younger people about his life and times .....
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« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2016, 03:10:45 PM »

We live on the same planet. Our challenges go beyond our arbitrary borders. We are STRONGER TOGETHER wor king together for the peace and prosperity of humanity.

Hi! I'm an Islamic fundamentalist. I believe that what's best for the world is killing off the infidels!

Hi! I'm a communist. I believe that what's best for the world is redistributing other country's wealth to poorer countries!

Hi! I'm a capitalist. I believe that what's best for the world is less government inclusion!

Hi! I'm a socialist. I believe that what's best for the world is more government inclusion!


You see, the problem with that notion is that everyone has their own beliefs and opinions about the world and how it should function. You want peace? Stop trying to tell other peoples how to live their lives.

Fences make for good neighbors.


You have capitalist and socialist mixed up.
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« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2016, 03:18:35 PM »

150 years most Americans would have viewed the idea of the "American Nation" as a unifying characteristic between the residents of the several states as laughable. "The United States" was a plural noun into the 1890's, an uncomfortable power sharing agreement between a set of very different people and states. If one completely arbitrary nation can be formed around common ideals and agreements to not kill each other I see no reason it couldn't happen on a much larger scale.

Trump's mindset is frozen in an outdated nationalism that, god willing, will not exist within a generation or two.
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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2016, 04:29:46 PM »

150 years most Americans would have viewed the idea of the "American Nation" as a unifying characteristic between the residents of the several states as laughable. "The United States" was a plural noun into the 1890's, an uncomfortable power sharing agreement between a set of very different people and states. If one completely arbitrary nation can be formed around common ideals and agreements to not kill each other I see no reason it couldn't happen on a much larger scale.

Trump's mindset is frozen in an outdated nationalism that, god willing, will not exist within a generation or two.

This. If Trump is serious about what he's saying, he should work to split the union into many parts, because nothing unites all these people other than ideals. Globalism is the future.
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« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2016, 04:36:44 PM »

Exactly.
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« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2016, 04:52:46 PM »

We live on the same planet. Our challenges go beyond our arbitrary borders. We are STRONGER TOGETHER wor king together for the peace and prosperity of humanity.

'Humanity' is a far more arbitrary construct than the modern state. The latter is the product of law and history, the former is a nebulous concept that doesn't really mean an awful lot.
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« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2016, 04:54:14 PM »


This. If Trump is serious about what he's saying, he should work to split the union into many parts, because nothing unites all these people other than ideals. Globalism is the future.

Sure, as long as you can tell us what this unifying global ideology is?
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« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2016, 05:28:49 PM »

Nationalists are the elite's useful idiots.

You got that wrong. Globalists are the elite's useful idiots. How else could they undermine national labor and environmental laws by opening up free trade with nations that fall far below our standards, without the help of the useful globalist cheerleader idiots here at home?

Don't make me laugh. Why are labour and environmental standards being loosened and tax laws loosened? To "maintain international competitiveness". Of course if people jsinply united and pushed for proper global unity so that everybody in earth could enjoy the same standards with nowhere for megacorps to run. But no, that would make the flagmasturbaters weally sad Sad so nationalists endorse the creation of a corporatist state with no standards at all. BUT MEH FLAG MEH COUNTRY MEH BORDERS
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« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2016, 05:32:00 PM »

We live on the same planet. Our challenges go beyond our arbitrary borders. We are STRONGER TOGETHER wor king together for the peace and prosperity of humanity.

Hi! I'm an Islamic fundamentalist. I believe that what's best for the world is killing off the infidels!

Hi! I'm a communist. I believe that what's best for the world is redistributing other country's wealth to poorer countries!

Hi! I'm a capitalist. I believe that what's best for the world is less government inclusion!

Hi! I'm a socialist. I believe that what's best for the world is more government inclusion!


You see, the problem with that notion is that everyone has their own beliefs and opinions about the world and how it should function. You want peace? Stop trying to tell other peoples how to live their lives.

Fences make for good neighbors.



Makes sense! After all, all people living in the same nation state agree politically, far more than they would with their neighbouring country state. Obviously a low income janitor who lives in america has far more in common with the CEO of Exxon than a janitor in France or China or Pakistan.
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« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2016, 05:32:59 PM »


This. If Trump is serious about what he's saying, he should work to split the union into many parts, because nothing unites all these people other than ideals. Globalism is the future.

Sure, as long as you can tell us what this unifying global ideology is?

The idealogy of not wanting to be blown up, have their children educated and retire is a pretty unifying theme tbh
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« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2016, 05:48:28 PM »

Nationalists are the elite's useful idiots.

You got that wrong. Globalists are the elite's useful idiots. How else could they undermine national labor and environmental laws by opening up free trade with nations that fall far below our standards, without the help of the useful globalist cheerleader idiots here at home?

Don't make me laugh. Why are labour and environmental standards being loosened and tax laws loosened? To "maintain international competitiveness". Of course if people jsinply united and pushed for proper global unity so that everybody in earth could enjoy the same standards with nowhere for megacorps to run. But no, that would make the flagmasturbaters weally sad Sad so nationalists endorse the creation of a corporatist state with no standards at all. BUT MEH FLAG MEH COUNTRY MEH BORDERS

You live in a fantasy world if you think everyone would come together and set up universal labor and environmental standards acceptable to first world nations. It would be just as it is now, a race to the bottom. Nations that have low standards and authoritarian governments able to control their citizens will be the desired location of capitalists looking to exploit other people for larger profits. The only measures the rest of us have to fight against that is tariffs and subsidies, but the useful idiot globalists want to prevent us from using those measures.

What is needed is a new global trade bloc, with nations that meet minimum standards on human rights, workers rights, and environmental regulations that can enjoy free trade among themselves. Then slap tariffs on goods coming in from nations that don't meet those standards, with the severity of the tariffs proportional to the number of standards they fail to meet.

Eventually, way down the road when every nation has raised themselves to meet the standards necessary to join the free trade bloc, we can talk about your globalist utopia. Instead useful idiot globalists wanted to hurry up with their vision of some sort of Star Trek future utopia, without seeing that they were playing into the hands of capitalists looking for cheap labor and lax regulations to exploit. And you ended up hurting the working people in your own countries in the process.
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« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2016, 06:19:21 PM »


This. If Trump is serious about what he's saying, he should work to split the union into many parts, because nothing unites all these people other than ideals. Globalism is the future.

Sure, as long as you can tell us what this unifying global ideology is?

The idealogy of not wanting to be blown up, have their children educated and retire is a pretty unifying theme tbh

Nice evasion.

Now answer me this:

Are you willing to share a global supreme court with people whose values are irreconcilable with your own.
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« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2016, 07:13:06 PM »

Hillary Clinton is an American, born in America, to American parents. The election is over. Trump will be the next POTUS. If he is serious about putting the interests of the American people first, and healing partisan wounds, he should call for a conclusive investigation of Russian hackers who attacked American citizens, and impose sanctions on the parties responsible. As long as he sides with a foreign power that attacked American citizens and interests, his 'nationalism' is a sham.

So trump should reach out to Democrats so they can make him look bad together.

I see what you are trying to say, but that would be a pretty hilarious way for reconciliation to occur.
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« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2016, 07:56:15 PM »

Nationalists are the elite's useful idiots.

You got that wrong. Globalists are the elite's useful idiots. How else could they undermine national labor and environmental laws by opening up free trade with nations that fall far below our standards, without the help of the useful globalist cheerleader idiots here at home?

Marx had it backwards. He thought the proletariat would unite across borders and defeat bourgeois nationalism. Ultimately, it was the bourgeoisie who united across borders and are now running up against proletarian nationalism.
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« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2016, 09:26:17 PM »

Best words Trump has ever said.
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« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2016, 09:37:08 PM »

Nationalists are the elite's useful idiots.

You got that wrong. Globalists are the elite's useful idiots. How else could they undermine national labor and environmental laws by opening up free trade with nations that fall far below our standards, without the help of the useful globalist cheerleader idiots here at home?

Marx had it backwards. He thought the proletariat would unite across borders and defeat bourgeois nationalism. Ultimately, it was the bourgeoisie who united across borders and are now running up against proletarian nationalism.
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"Broken down by income bracket, 52% of voters earning less than $50,000 a year – who make up 36% of the electorate – voted for Clinton, and 41% for Trump.

But among the 64% of American voters who earn more than $50,000 a year, 49% chose Trump, and 47% Clinton."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/09/white-voters-victory-donald-trump-exit-polls

The election of 2016 was a white, but more importantly bourgeoisie reaction to "globalism."
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