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« on: December 04, 2016, 06:40:11 PM »

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/obama-dakota-access-pipeline-halt_us_5844882be4b0c68e04817323

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The Department of the Army has denied the final easement required for the $3.8 billion project to cross under Lake Oahe in North Dakota, it announced Sunday. Instead, it will conduct an Environmental Impact Statement to examine the impacts and explore alternative routes, it said.

“Although we have had continuing discussion and exchanges of new information with Standing Rock Sioux and Dakota Access, it’s clear that there’s more work to do,” Jo-Ellen Darcy, the Army’s assistant secretary for civil works, said in a statement. “The best way to complete that work responsibly and expeditiously is to explore alternative routes for the pipeline crossing.”
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« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2016, 07:09:29 PM »

Hallelujah! #NoDAPL
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« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2016, 07:18:46 PM »

But I thought protesting was a waste of time and had no impact?? Sad
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« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2016, 07:33:07 PM »

Pretty good news!
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« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2016, 07:33:48 PM »

Thanks, Obama!
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« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2016, 07:52:15 PM »


YAY YAY YAY !!!!

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« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2016, 07:57:01 PM »

Giving into the terrorists.  Bad precedent!
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« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2016, 08:23:24 PM »

Giving into the terrorists.  Bad precedent!

Green Line: "Giving into the terrorists. Bad precedent!" - After the singing of the 1964 Civil Rights Act
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« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2016, 08:24:46 PM »

What a total shambles.
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« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2016, 08:29:42 PM »
« Edited: December 04, 2016, 09:20:18 PM by hermit »

Bernie Sanders:

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« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2016, 08:46:51 PM »

Praise Christ!
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« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2016, 08:49:58 PM »

We did it guys!  All of us checking in at Standing Rock on Facebook has finally paid off!
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« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2016, 09:07:47 PM »

Excellent!
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« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2016, 09:15:49 PM »

We did it guys!  All of us checking in at Standing Rock on Facebook has finally paid off!

You win this thread.
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« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2016, 09:16:54 PM »

We did it guys!  All of us checking in at Standing Rock on Facebook has finally paid off!

In all seriousness, the countless people who were harassed, tear gassed, arrested, beaten, etc. and the hundreds of military veterans who joined the fight in the face of nonstop violence have to be acknowledged here.  They're the real drivers of this change, internet slacktivism notwithstanding.

(I personally found it really distasteful for people to say they "checked in" at this war zone and didn't experience a scratch, but that's how we show solidarity in the digital age, I guess.)
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« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2016, 09:28:36 PM »


Of course Trump owns stock in the company that is building this pipeline, so hopefully he doesn't go the conflict of interest route and try to ramrod this thing through once he gets into office. The Native-American Indians have been backed into the furthest corner that they can possibly be backed into. There is nowhere else for them to go. That is their environment and they deserve to have a safe water supply and deserve to have their sacred lands honored.
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« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2016, 07:35:48 AM »

i'm glad the administration has put a stop to local authorities' terroristic actions
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« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2016, 07:49:13 AM »


Of course Trump owns stock in the company that is building this pipeline, so hopefully he doesn't go the conflict of interest route and try to ramrod this thing through once he gets into office. The Native-American Indians have been backed into the furthest corner that they can possibly be backed into. There is nowhere else for them to go. That is their environment and they deserve to have a safe water supply and deserve to have their sacred lands honored.

If you don't think Obama wasn't applying pressure here so as to build his "legacy", you obviously aren't thinking. It is odd how, just like with Keystone XL, he waited until after an election day to do this. Anyway go celebrate your symbolic victory. You've delayed the inevitable and you may have even caused the pipeline to be rerouted, but I expect that by the time of the next presidential election both DAPL and Keystone XL will have been completed and transporting oil less expensively and more safely than the alternative of moving it by rail.
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« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2016, 08:12:11 AM »


Of course Trump owns stock in the company that is building this pipeline, so hopefully he doesn't go the conflict of interest route and try to ramrod this thing through once he gets into office. The Native-American Indians have been backed into the furthest corner that they can possibly be backed into. There is nowhere else for them to go. That is their environment and they deserve to have a safe water supply and deserve to have their sacred lands honored.

If you don't think Obama wasn't applying pressure here so as to build his "legacy", you obviously aren't thinking. It is odd how, just like with Keystone XL, he waited until after an election day to do this. Anyway go celebrate your symbolic victory. You've delayed the inevitable and you may have even caused the pipeline to be rerouted, but I expect that by the time of the next presidential election both DAPL and Keystone XL will have been completed and transporting oil less expensively and more safely than the alternative of moving it by rail.

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« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2016, 10:02:03 AM »

The Native-American Indians have been backed into the furthest corner that they can possibly be backed into. There is nowhere else for them to go.
When people say things like this it makes me wonder if they are using the words metaphorically or if they actually think Native Americans are forced to live on reservations.
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« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2016, 08:53:49 PM »


Of course Trump owns stock in the company that is building this pipeline, so hopefully he doesn't go the conflict of interest route and try to ramrod this thing through once he gets into office. The Native-American Indians have been backed into the furthest corner that they can possibly be backed into. There is nowhere else for them to go. That is their environment and they deserve to have a safe water supply and deserve to have their sacred lands honored.

If you don't think Obama wasn't applying pressure here so as to build his "legacy", you obviously aren't thinking. It is odd how, just like with Keystone XL, he waited until after an election day to do this. Anyway go celebrate your symbolic victory. You've delayed the inevitable and you may have even caused the pipeline to be rerouted, but I expect that by the time of the next presidential election both DAPL and Keystone XL will have been completed and transporting oil less expensively and more safely than the alternative of moving it by rail.

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« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2016, 01:40:56 AM »
« Edited: December 06, 2016, 02:10:19 AM by hermit »

The Native-American Indians have been backed into the furthest corner that they can possibly be backed into. There is nowhere else for them to go.
When people say things like this it makes me wonder if they are using the words metaphorically or if they actually think Native Americans are forced to live on reservations.

Well, I guess they can agree to lose their heritage and identity, and stop believing in the spiritual nature of life and Mother Earth and how to live in harmony with her, and embrace the white man's crude idea of civilization which includes raping the earth of its precious resources and stealing land that belongs to someone else etc.... Yes they have a choice to assimilate, but it's really no choice when their belief system is so completely on a different plane of reality from one that wants to destroy our "home".

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« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2016, 02:09:46 AM »


Of course Trump owns stock in the company that is building this pipeline, so hopefully he doesn't go the conflict of interest route and try to ramrod this thing through once he gets into office. The Native-American Indians have been backed into the furthest corner that they can possibly be backed into. There is nowhere else for them to go. That is their environment and they deserve to have a safe water supply and deserve to have their sacred lands honored.

If you don't think Obama wasn't applying pressure here so as to build his "legacy", you obviously aren't thinking. It is odd how, just like with Keystone XL, he waited until after an election day to do this. Anyway go celebrate your symbolic victory. You've delayed the inevitable and you may have even caused the pipeline to be rerouted, but I expect that by the time of the next presidential election both DAPL and Keystone XL will have been completed and transporting oil less expensively and more safely than the alternative of moving it by rail.

Continuing to rape the land is not inevitable. And it is totally NOT sustainable. It is a losing, greedy, small-minded, ignorant mindset to embrace. We need to wean ourselves from destroying our planet and instead develop energy sources that are sustainable and renewable. So after the new administration and the Republican party get through destroying the economy and the environment, saner minds will be voted in for the clean-up.


 
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« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2016, 02:33:36 AM »


Of course Trump owns stock in the company that is building this pipeline, so hopefully he doesn't go the conflict of interest route and try to ramrod this thing through once he gets into office. The Native-American Indians have been backed into the furthest corner that they can possibly be backed into. There is nowhere else for them to go. That is their environment and they deserve to have a safe water supply and deserve to have their sacred lands honored.

If you don't think Obama wasn't applying pressure here so as to build his "legacy", you obviously aren't thinking. It is odd how, just like with Keystone XL, he waited until after an election day to do this. Anyway go celebrate your symbolic victory. You've delayed the inevitable and you may have even caused the pipeline to be rerouted, but I expect that by the time of the next presidential election both DAPL and Keystone XL will have been completed and transporting oil less expensively and more safely than the alternative of moving it by rail.

Continuing to rape the land is not inevitable. And it is totally NOT sustainable. It is a losing, greedy, small-minded, ignorant mindset to embrace. We need to wean ourselves from destroying our planet and instead develop energy sources that are sustainable and renewable. So after the new administration and the Republican party get through destroying the economy and the environment, saner minds will be voted in for the clean-up.

"Rape the land"?  How does building a pipeline paralleling an existing one and a major electrical transmission line, constitute rape?  For that matter, how does blocking either or even both pipelines wean us off fossil fuels? It possibly might make the particular oil fields they service less likely to see added production capacity put into service, but the current market glut means that doing so won't impact the price of oil, or have the relative economics of fossil fuels vs. renewables be impacted.  Making renewables more attractive involves making them cheaper, as has been happening, rather that futilely trying to make fossil fuels more expensive.
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« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2016, 07:01:47 AM »

Sad to see the anti-science, anti-progress Left score a momentary win here.
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