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True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)
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« on: December 05, 2016, 07:49:13 AM »


Of course Trump owns stock in the company that is building this pipeline, so hopefully he doesn't go the conflict of interest route and try to ramrod this thing through once he gets into office. The Native-American Indians have been backed into the furthest corner that they can possibly be backed into. There is nowhere else for them to go. That is their environment and they deserve to have a safe water supply and deserve to have their sacred lands honored.

If you don't think Obama wasn't applying pressure here so as to build his "legacy", you obviously aren't thinking. It is odd how, just like with Keystone XL, he waited until after an election day to do this. Anyway go celebrate your symbolic victory. You've delayed the inevitable and you may have even caused the pipeline to be rerouted, but I expect that by the time of the next presidential election both DAPL and Keystone XL will have been completed and transporting oil less expensively and more safely than the alternative of moving it by rail.
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« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2016, 08:53:49 PM »


Of course Trump owns stock in the company that is building this pipeline, so hopefully he doesn't go the conflict of interest route and try to ramrod this thing through once he gets into office. The Native-American Indians have been backed into the furthest corner that they can possibly be backed into. There is nowhere else for them to go. That is their environment and they deserve to have a safe water supply and deserve to have their sacred lands honored.

If you don't think Obama wasn't applying pressure here so as to build his "legacy", you obviously aren't thinking. It is odd how, just like with Keystone XL, he waited until after an election day to do this. Anyway go celebrate your symbolic victory. You've delayed the inevitable and you may have even caused the pipeline to be rerouted, but I expect that by the time of the next presidential election both DAPL and Keystone XL will have been completed and transporting oil less expensively and more safely than the alternative of moving it by rail.

pro-tip: when you sound like the villain from a bad saturday morning cartoon, it may be time to rethink your position

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True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)
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« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2016, 02:33:36 AM »


Of course Trump owns stock in the company that is building this pipeline, so hopefully he doesn't go the conflict of interest route and try to ramrod this thing through once he gets into office. The Native-American Indians have been backed into the furthest corner that they can possibly be backed into. There is nowhere else for them to go. That is their environment and they deserve to have a safe water supply and deserve to have their sacred lands honored.

If you don't think Obama wasn't applying pressure here so as to build his "legacy", you obviously aren't thinking. It is odd how, just like with Keystone XL, he waited until after an election day to do this. Anyway go celebrate your symbolic victory. You've delayed the inevitable and you may have even caused the pipeline to be rerouted, but I expect that by the time of the next presidential election both DAPL and Keystone XL will have been completed and transporting oil less expensively and more safely than the alternative of moving it by rail.

Continuing to rape the land is not inevitable. And it is totally NOT sustainable. It is a losing, greedy, small-minded, ignorant mindset to embrace. We need to wean ourselves from destroying our planet and instead develop energy sources that are sustainable and renewable. So after the new administration and the Republican party get through destroying the economy and the environment, saner minds will be voted in for the clean-up.

"Rape the land"?  How does building a pipeline paralleling an existing one and a major electrical transmission line, constitute rape?  For that matter, how does blocking either or even both pipelines wean us off fossil fuels? It possibly might make the particular oil fields they service less likely to see added production capacity put into service, but the current market glut means that doing so won't impact the price of oil, or have the relative economics of fossil fuels vs. renewables be impacted.  Making renewables more attractive involves making them cheaper, as has been happening, rather that futilely trying to make fossil fuels more expensive.
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True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)
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« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2016, 08:50:47 AM »

How is this anti-science? Climate Change is basic science which every intelligent educated person should understand.
Economics is also a basic subject every intelligent person should understand, even if they disagree on whether it is a science. Whether or not this pipeline is built will not affect how much fossil fuel consumers use, so the impact on climate change is effectively nil, and probably positive since less energy is needed to transport oil by pipeline than the alternatives.

Geology is more clearly a science, and it is safer to have a pipeline cross a major river at a static lake rather than where the river is actually flowing. From the standpoint of geology, crossing the Missouri at the northern tip of Lake Oahe makes the most sense of the alternatives.
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