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« on: December 05, 2016, 10:00:28 PM »

Dems need to throw out these Clinton hacks to save the party. You people are the real bunch deplorable.

Why the f*** should a white working class give a damn about an incredibly corrupt dishonest candidate who had no message for them when they are struggling to get by at 40/50K a year & seeing jobs being shipped out? Someone who is struggling to stay out of poverty & get a good job should vote for Hillary to protect gay rights & abortion rights?

They should care more about the progress of the country in Social issues & the language of Trump & not about the future of their children!

Well why don't you take responsibility for election Trump when you nominated a candidate who is unelectable, widely hated & has no message for the working class? You guys ELECTED Trump. If anything you people should apologize.
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« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2016, 10:20:26 PM »
« Edited: December 05, 2016, 10:30:58 PM by Shadows »

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I'm getting cancer from these two paragraphs. The generalizations they contain and the amount of utter nonsense within is making it hard for me to breathe.

You'll forgive me.  Or maybe you won't.  But I'm sick and tired of the total lack of empathy for folks who have played by the rules, only to be screwed by Globalism, then be labeled as Deplorable in a general sort of way.  

The working class folks who have gotten the crap end of the Globalist stick aren't the type to play the victim.  But what they see in public policy is all the attention and concern and (most importantly) the resources going toward the folks who are willing to take the most militant victim posture.  And in Trump, they had a candidate who extended to THEM a degree of respect they hadn't experienced from the party and politicians who were living off what their grandfathers did for their grandfathers, while calling them "Deplorable".  The folks here who don't get this are folks who just flat out don't want to get this, because it would mandate greater introspection if they did.
I disagree. What's screwed the white working class is a combination of union busting, failed promises, and government gridlock. Globalism isn't the enemy of the poor, if that were the case, you wouldn't be seeing the global poor rising out of poverty so quickly.

Stagnation in the west requires a different approach. The policies of Ford and Carter didn't end stagflation. Paul Volcker's Federal Reserve did. Populism will be just as ineffective as those two Presidents.

I understand your frustration, but attacking the symptoms isn't going to help.

The rise of the poor globally is directly proportional to the fall of the working class in the rust belt.

Take the textile industry for example, the bed rock of Industrial Revolution in Britain & in the West, this is a very labor intensive industry which employs a lot of people. The jobs in this industry has gone down by half post NAFTA. Textile & apparel employment decreased sharply from 1,662,000 to around 750,000 between the period 1993 and 2007 (US Department of Labour - Bureau of Labour Statistics).

Similarly automobile industry is gone from the rust belt compared to what once was. Most labor intensive industries will relocate to other countries taking into account the cheap cost of labor.

I have a lot of research material on this topic. If you look at the history of global growth, tariffs were always there. Freaking Nissan, the auto company, couldn't sell their cars to Europe because of tariffs. South Korea's miracle growth story was fueled by tariffs, import quota, etc. I am not justifying the same - I am saying there is no empirical evidence to prove that free trade lifts all boats or helps poor workers.

And another key aspect is that Non-College educated blue collar workers get a 10% premium in Mfg jobs compared to Service jobs as per current data available. Thus, this has been incredibly harder on the industrial workers  - Unions have also declined & have no low bargaining power now that any corporation can threaten to move jobs to Mexico!

The only silver lining is the considerable growth of Service sector jobs (even accounting for outsourcing of some jobs) but that is not enough to make up for all Mfg jobs lost & in the future people would need  college education to get better wages (with more decline in Mfg). Now tell me how is that possible with huge cost of college?

Mfg workers have got massively screwed in the last 20-30 years - Perhaps since the 1980 odd when Reagan started the Most favored nation status to China which Congress had to pass annually then !
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« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2016, 10:44:19 PM »

How delusional can people be?

"It is okay to vote for a bigot"  -  Voting against bigotry is the privilege of the rich. The poor vote to earn decent wages & have a decent life


"Progressives assumed that Swing state rust belt voters cared more about social issues" - No they didn't. People have to incredibly stupid to even believe that. Any default Dem candidate by default is strong on social issues, you don't need Clinton for that. People cared about the economy in every major poll that was available

"Voters didn't give a sh** about gay rights" - Some of them do, but they care more about their lives than gay rights. And if they cared about gay rights they would have voted en mass for Sanders over Clinton in a landslide victory.

"We were naive etc" - Not everyone of us. You guys were delusional, we were shouting after every debate & rally that Clinton should talk about infra n minimum wage etc. It is a matter of shame that Trump outflanked Clinton in Trade & talked about infra spending etc much more (core Dem point)

It is weird how much blame is placed on a rust belt voter for voting for Trump when there is no question mark on how pathetic of a candidate Clinton was.

I mean you're argument for winning is Gay Rights? Seriously??

These kind of posts are self-explanatory why Clinton lost - She literally had no positive economic message at a time the economy was the most important topic in almost every single poll !
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