Scumbag Santorum tells Dreamer to leave country

[Frozen Sky Ever Why]

Whenever anyone uses the term "social justice" I assume they are an alt-right fascist. Haven't been wrong yet.

"Everyone I don't like is literally Hitler!"

Democrats have given up on class based arguments and caring about the working class. They decided that social justice is how they could dupe their base into voting for policies that ultimately help global capital. It's all about divide and conquer. I've supported LGBT rights for decades, I support equal rights for women, and I support equal rights for all ethnic groups in America legally. So take your "fascist" crap somewhere else.

Again, "social justice" gives you away. If you want to pretend to be a liberal use different terminology.

What's the approved terminology then? I'll bet you don't like the term 'regressive left' either, huh? I like that term because it allows me to separate myself from other left leaning people who have their heads up their own asses.

Yes, regressive is another favorite of the alt-right.

[SteveRogers]

Plus, their literal presence is by the standards of the law a crime. As long as they are literally standing on American soil, be it preaching the gospel from a pulpit or smoking weed and playing with themselves while eating Cheetos and watching "The Price Is Right" on a dusty couch, they're in the process of committing a crime. I don't care if they came here as infants. They are an accomplice to their parents crime and whatever consequences come of that is nothing more than collateral damage.

That's not how crimes work. That's not how accomplice liability works.

[SWE]

Undocumented immigrants are part of the American working class, you dolt. Using disparaging terms like "illegals" to describe the most vulnerable part of the working class proves that you're anti-worker.

No they aren't you moron. They are scabs. They increase the supply of labor and drive down wages in the process. They can go back to their own countries and fight for good wages there.

This makes zero sense. How is this any different from, say, a teenager entering the job force for the same time? In fact, by your logic, literally anyone who wants a job is a scab, and thus can't be a member of the working class.

I don't get why they should be allowed to get off willy-nilly because "they had to come here" because "muh (insert reason why country of origin sucked here)" but if a black kid in Frenchtown down the street from me sells a dimebag of weed to one of my neighbors, he gets arrested and faces a heavy fine. I don't get why people are being punished for feeding the homeless in our inner cities yet illegal immigrants are allowed to pick and choose what laws to follow, and then on top of it all, get to play the victim crime.

See, the non-sociopath response to scenarios like the one you've mentioned is "Wow, that's f##ked up, we should stop punishing people for stupid reasons," not "Wow, that's f##ked up, we should punish more people for stupid reasons so it can be fair."

[RINO Tom]

this is why trump has lost the PV.

He lost the popular vote because Frothy said something that half the country agrees with six weeks after the fact?

just a sign of the GOP's "out of touch"-attitude and a big reason they can't win cities anymore, but i guess they can't help themselves.

When, exactly, did we win cities?

[Jeffster]

This makes zero sense. How is this any different from, say, a teenager entering the job force for the same time? In fact, by your logic, literally anyone who wants a job is a scab, and thus can't be a member of the working class.

I suppose you are referring to teenagers that are legal citizens right? The difference is that they are legal citizens. When I talk about helping the working class in the US I'm talking about people who are legally the working class in the US. I'd love it if the Mexican government took care of the Mexican working class, and the Chinese government took care of the Chinese working class, etc. We should be using our trade deals to incentivize other countries to meet a minimum set of standards on human rights, workers rights, and environmental regulations, instead of the current race to the bottom. It's not the job of the US government to employ illegal immigrants within our borders at the expense of our own citizens.

Teenage US citizens are also hurt by illegal immigration. Look at how many fast food places have illegals working in them, when it used to be our own teens that did those jobs in the past.

[SWE]

This makes zero sense. How is this any different from, say, a teenager entering the job force for the same time? In fact, by your logic, literally anyone who wants a job is a scab, and thus can't be a member of the working class.

I suppose you are referring to teenagers that are legal citizens right? The difference is that they are legal citizens.

Awesome! But I'm more interested to hear if you have a non-arbitrary difference between the two groups that warrants treating them differently.

[Ban my account ffs!]

This makes zero sense. How is this any different from, say, a teenager entering the job force for the same time? In fact, by your logic, literally anyone who wants a job is a scab, and thus can't be a member of the working class.

I suppose you are referring to teenagers that are legal citizens right? The difference is that they are legal citizens. When I talk about helping the working class in the US I'm talking about people who are legally the working class in the US. I'd love it if the Mexican government took care of the Mexican working class, and the Chinese government took care of the Chinese working class, etc. We should be using our trade deals to incentivize other countries to meet a minimum set of standards on human rights, workers rights, and environmental regulations, instead of the current race to the bottom. It's not the job of the US government to employ illegal immigrants within our borders at the expense of our own citizens.

Teenage US citizens are also hurt by illegal immigration. Look at how many fast food places have illegals working in them, when it used to be our own teens that did those jobs in the past.

Hey Jeffsteroni,

Why don't you head down to Mickey D's and apply for a job!  But don't put your social security number in and tell them you don't have one because you're not legally in the United States.  See what happens.

Your delusions are what happens when you get your news from Bullsh**t Mountain.  

Remember this:  sh**t always rolls down hill.

[Jeffster]

This makes zero sense. How is this any different from, say, a teenager entering the job force for the same time? In fact, by your logic, literally anyone who wants a job is a scab, and thus can't be a member of the working class.

I suppose you are referring to teenagers that are legal citizens right? The difference is that they are legal citizens. When I talk about helping the working class in the US I'm talking about people who are legally the working class in the US. I'd love it if the Mexican government took care of the Mexican working class, and the Chinese government took care of the Chinese working class, etc. We should be using our trade deals to incentivize other countries to meet a minimum set of standards on human rights, workers rights, and environmental regulations, instead of the current race to the bottom. It's not the job of the US government to employ illegal immigrants within our borders at the expense of our own citizens.

Teenage US citizens are also hurt by illegal immigration. Look at how many fast food places have illegals working in them, when it used to be our own teens that did those jobs in the past.

Hey Jeffsteroni,

Why don't you head down to Mickey D's and apply for a job!  But don't put your social security number in and tell them you don't have one because you're not legally in the United States.  See what happens.

Your delusions are what happens when you get your news from Bullsh**t Mountain.  

Remember this:  sh**t always rolls down hill.

One of the first articles after googling "illegal immigrants working in fast food"

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-fastfood-idUSTRE71664T20110207

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[Storebought]

Hiring managers will hire whomever they wish to see hired. Especially in the world of small business, hiring criteria are really quite subjective. Outside of technical fields, the importance of qualifications are greatly overstated -- for most tasks, workers learn on the job.

Take the example of a small business owner (construction or lawn-care) or a hiring manager at a "low-prestige" service job (fast food, hotel and restaurant, office cleaning, etc.). These managers have consistently, for decades, preferred selecting immigrant labor, legal or otherwise, to domestic ones for filling open positions. Their reasons for doing so have little to do with the qualifications (or lack thereof) of the immigrant or American-born worker.

When the pool of immigrant labor is limited, these same hiring managers will not start drawing workers from the currently un- or underemployed American-born. They will simply close their businesses, or else move to where their preferred labor is found or can be brought in.

The thought that illegal immigration sweeps will force Lowe's or Tyson or Harrah's to start hiring US-born workers to replace their deported employees is nonsense.

[Jeffster]

Hiring managers will hire whomever they wish to see hired. Especially in the world of small business, hiring criteria are really quite subjective. Outside of technical fields, the importance of qualifications are greatly overstated -- for most tasks, workers learn on the job.

Take the example of a small business owner (construction or lawn-care) or a hiring manager at a "low-prestige" service job (fast food, hotel and restaurant, office cleaning, etc.). These managers have consistently, for decades, preferred selecting immigrant labor, legal or otherwise, to domestic ones for filling open positions. Their reasons for doing so have little to do with the qualifications (or lack thereof) of the immigrant or American-born worker.

When the pool of immigrant labor is limited, these same hiring managers will not start drawing workers from the currently un- or underemployed American-born. They will simply close their businesses, or else move to where their preferred labor is found or can be brought in.

The thought that illegal immigration sweeps will force Lowe's or Tyson or Harrah's to start hiring US-born workers to replace their deported employees is nonsense.

So construction companies will close up shop in the US and instead build houses in other countries? Lowes will close their US locations and open up shops in foreign countries to somehow sell products to Americans? Harrah's will close all their US casinos and make Americans travel to foreign countries to gamble? That makes no sense. Any company stupid enough to do that will be replaced by one that stays in the US.

Things that are sold in the US that require labor at the point of delivery can be done exclusively by US citizen workers as long as the government enforces it.

[Storebought]

Hiring managers will hire whomever they wish to see hired. Especially in the world of small business, hiring criteria are really quite subjective. Outside of technical fields, the importance of qualifications are greatly overstated -- for most tasks, workers learn on the job.

Take the example of a small business owner (construction or lawn-care) or a hiring manager at a "low-prestige" service job (fast food, hotel and restaurant, office cleaning, etc.). These managers have consistently, for decades, preferred selecting immigrant labor, legal or otherwise, to domestic ones for filling open positions. Their reasons for doing so have little to do with the qualifications (or lack thereof) of the immigrant or American-born worker.

When the pool of immigrant labor is limited, these same hiring managers will not start drawing workers from the currently un- or underemployed American-born. They will simply close their businesses, or else move to where their preferred labor is found or can be brought in.

The thought that illegal immigration sweeps will force Lowe's or Tyson or Harrah's to start hiring US-born workers to replace their deported employees is nonsense.

So construction companies will close up shop in the US and instead build houses in other countries? Lowes will close their US locations and open up shops in foreign countries to somehow sell products to Americans? Harrah's will close all their US casinos and make Americans travel to foreign countries to gamble? That makes no sense. Any company stupid enough to do that will be replaced by one that stays in the US.

Things that are sold in the US that require labor at the point of delivery can be done exclusively by US citizen workers as long as the government enforces it.

That was the wildest non-sequitur I have yet to read on Atlas Forum. Has the possibility that the small business or service company can't start hiring immigrant-born workers within the US not occurred to you?

Besides, everything you have written in your Parade of Horribles has already happened: Harrah's has been in Macau for 25 years. Lowe's and Tyson have long since expanded in Mexico. And as for the small businesses with local presence only, that can't outsource their business or afford to conduct a national search for employees, those shops will simply close. There is no law obliging any US-based company to privilege American citizens over foreign-born ones in hiring.

[Jeffster]

That was the wildest non-sequitur I have yet to read on Atlas Forum. Has the possibility that the small business or service company can't start hiring immigrant-born workers within the US not occurred to you?

If the immigrant is here legally then that's fine. The discussion so far has been about illegal immigration.

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They've expanded their businesses in foreign countries, but they didn't shut down all their locations in the US. If Harrah's left the US completely then other casinos would fill the gap. Your argument seems to be that we need a permanent underclass of illegal labor in order to keep businesses open. That somehow if we limited our workforce to just legal workers, and required businesses to follow US laws on minimum wage, overtime pay, workplace safety. etc. that all these businesses would close up and we wouldn't have hardware stores or casinos or fast food restaurants anymore. It's just absurd.

[publicunofficial]

Especially when it's in the same sentence as "globalist"

Where were you during the WTO protests in Seattle back in 1999?

Uh I was 4 years old, so...

[Jeffster]

Especially when it's in the same sentence as "globalist"

Where were you during the WTO protests in Seattle back in 1999?

Uh I was 4 years old, so...

The point was using the term "globalist" does not automatically make you a part of the far right. There were plenty of us on the left protesting against the WTO and the rush of western capitalists to exploit the third world back in the day.

[Storebought]

That was the wildest non-sequitur I have yet to read on Atlas Forum. Has the possibility that the small business or service company can't start hiring immigrant-born workers within the US not occurred to you?

If the immigrant is here legally then that's fine. The discussion so far has been about illegal immigration.

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They've expanded their businesses in foreign countries, but they didn't shut down all their locations in the US. If Harrah's left the US completely then other casinos would fill the gap. Your argument seems to be that we need a permanent underclass of illegal labor in order to keep businesses open. That somehow if we limited our workforce to just legal workers, and required businesses to follow US laws on minimum wage, overtime pay, workplace safety. etc. that all these businesses would close up and we wouldn't have hardware stores or casinos or fast food restaurants anymore. It's just absurd.

Hiring managers will not hire anyone who they don't want to hire. If they don't wish to consider American-born workers even if they are the only ones available, then no government or guilty conscience will not suddenly compel them to start. Restaurant owners shutting down a restaurant when no more central American dishwashers or busboys, let alone cooks, can be hired happens all the time. Not that that example is limited to restaurants -- hotel chains and casinos routinely shutter locations when their preferred staff cannot be hired easily at site.

There is even less evidence to suggest that hiring managers will suddenly start hiring the long-term (+6 mo) US-born unemployed as a consequence of job-site raids. The claim that unemployment rates drop significantly in a locality after a raid has been conducted businesses that recruit undocumented workers is unsubstantiated. The reason for that is clear: unemployed people are considered unemployable and will not be hired by anyone, let alone by managers who have a stated preference for hiring foreign born workers. No company will hire unemployable US-born applicants unless the company has subsidized by the federal government for taking them on at a loss -- but then that is no longer an issue of immigration.

[Tartarus Sauce]

We have a problem in this country. It's called ideological terrorists in the media. We know Ana Navarro is one. You know she's not even a conservative. We have the dishonest media growing, and they want to destroy our country. That's my question - when can we get rid of them?

Are you talking about right wing media platforms? Because I would agree that they have gone to excessive lengths to poison political discourse in this country.

[Mad Deadly Worldwide Communist Gangster Computer God]

We have a problem in this country. It's called ideological terrorists in the media. We know Ana Navarro is one. You know she's not even a conservative. We have the dishonest media growing, and they want to destroy our country. That's my question - when can we get rid of them?

Just as soon as we can deport Rubio and most certainly Cruz.  Cuba is a free market paradise as of two weeks ago, so they should enjoy Gitmo together.

[wolfsblood07]

Santorum is 100% right.

[Frozen Sky Ever Why]

Santorum is 100% right.

wolfsblood07 is 100% Nazi.