SB 2016-046 - Electoral Tie Resolution Amendment (Passed Senate)

[Clyde1998]

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Sponsor - Senator Ascott (Ind) & Senator Cris (UA)

I open up a period of debate on this bill.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Probably the best way to go about it for the future.


Though I must say for the present situation, me going second was probably the better option for all involved.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Considering the chaos that this caused, I support this amendment to avoid similar such situations arising in the future.

[windjammer]

Why not making the House and the Senate elect the P and the VP honestly?

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Why not making the House and the Senate elect the P and the VP honestly?

I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to that, but I'd rather we try to operate on precedent.

[windjammer]

Why not making the House and the Senate elect the P and the VP honestly?

I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to that, but I'd rather we try to operate on precedent.

Well,
There is a precedent, In case of a tie in  the electoral college, the President is elected by the House and the Vice President elected by the senate.
I think it would be better than a co ruling to be honest.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Why not making the House and the Senate elect the P and the VP honestly?

I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to that, but I'd rather we try to operate on precedent.

Well,
There is a precedent, In case of a tie in  the electoral college, the President is elected by the House and the Vice President elected by the senate.
I think it would be better than a co ruling to be honest.

We don't use the electoral college in this game, though.

[windjammer]

Why not making the House and the Senate elect the P and the VP honestly?

I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to that, but I'd rather we try to operate on precedent.

Well,
There is a precedent, In case of a tie in  the electoral college, the President is elected by the House and the Vice President elected by the senate.
I think it would be better than a co ruling to be honest.

We don't use the electoral college in this game, though.

Maybe but this is still based on the US laws.

And anyway, what the electoral laws are saying:

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In fact it allows the House to decide who would win the presidential election. Blair could have been president for a full term if he has wished to do so.


I hope the senators will remove this dumb part of "co presidency" and allow the house and the senate decide in case of a tie.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Since the law already provides a means of resolving ties, I'm thinking about withdrawing this amendment.  We saw that an agreement was reached between the two candidates after the Supreme Court declared a tied election, and I'm basically comfortable with that as long as it doesn't violate the Constitution.

[Associate Justice PiT]

Since the law already provides a means of resolving ties, I'm thinking about withdrawing this amendment.  We saw that an agreement was reached between the two candidates after the Supreme Court declared a tied election, and I'm basically comfortable with that as long as it doesn't violate the Constitution.

     I have no problem with the sort of arrangement that was negotiated here. Requiring the House to vote on who becomes the President in the case of a tie seems like it would harm the system of checks and balances by potentially creating an executive that is behold to the legislature.

[Clyde1998]

I will give a few hours for any further debate.

[Leinad]

We seemed to do well without this, although perhaps in the future we will encounter disputees that don't want to resolve it as Yankee and Blair did.

Presuming this amendment won't be withdrawn, I'd like to make an amendment to it, taking into account what Yankee said:

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[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

I won't withdraw it.  Leinad's amendment is friendly.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     That amendment is a good idea. I think I'm satisfied with where this is now.

[LLR]

This seems a fair solution to an improbable situation (though it just happened)

[Clyde1998]

The amendment has been adopted.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Likewise with the Integrity bill, I would recommend a final review of the text for similar concerns.

[Leinad]

Doesn't seem there are any concerns with this, I'll open a final vote later today unless anyone objects.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

Doesn't seem there are any concerns with this, I'll open a final vote later today unless anyone objects.

Actually, I do have one last question. If I understand this correctly, the intention is for the process to work like this:

(1) General Election; if tied, proceed to    (2) Special Runoff Election; if tied, proceed to    (3) Co Presidency

But the text of the amendment states that

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which is less clear. If you read this clause carefully, the apparent implication is that in certain circumstances, a tie in the general election will not result in a runoff between the top two finishers; unfortunately, the amendment does not specify what those circumstances are. My questions are

(1) Does a tie in the general election automatically result in a Co Presidency, or is there an intermediary runoff election?
(2) Does the answer to Question 1 vary depending on the circumstances (i.e. "There will be a runoff under certain conditions, but otherwise a general election tie automatically results in a Co Presidency")?

For the record, I did mention this in a PM to the leaders of Congres & the SoFE a few weeks ago, but that was when Clyde was still PPT and I guess it wasn't forwarded along. Sorry about that.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Thanks for pointing that out, Truman.  I'll submit an amendment that hopefully makes this easier to understand.

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Essentially, a co-presidency will only happen in the event that there is a runoff election which ends in a tie.

[Anna Komnene]

I'm fine with that amendment.

[Leinad]

Doesn't seem there are any concerns with this, I'll open a final vote later today unless anyone objects.

Take 2.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

I'm fine with that amendment.

[Leinad]

I now open a 48-hour final vote on this bill.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Aye.