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« on: December 09, 2016, 08:03:00 PM »

How do you think they'll vote? More broadly speaking, how about all voters born in this millennia? (Aka 2000's babies)

We'll finally get to see the first signs of where Generation ZTM voters stand politically. I am so stoked to see the future!
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« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2016, 08:06:12 PM »

It's all about demographics. This is the alt-right/internet Nazi generation, so I expect Generation Z whites to be 70-90% GOP. However, they will only be about 50% of the young vote. No clue how young minorities will vote compared to their elders.
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« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2016, 08:11:38 PM »

It depends on how Trump does. If he carries himself well and is successful, they'll probably be more inclined to support him. However, I know during my first election in 2008, having matured during George W. Bush's administration, I was far more inclined to support Obama than I was McCain.
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« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2016, 08:19:24 PM »

They're usually against the incumbent party, look for strongholds to keep tending their natural way, but with a more libertarian like trend.
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« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2016, 08:26:05 PM »

It's all about demographics. This is the alt-right/internet Nazi generation, so I expect Generation Z whites to be 70-90% GOP. However, they will only be about 50% of the young vote. No clue how young minorities will vote compared to their elders.

35% of 18-24 year olds in the French regional elections in December 2015 voted for the National Front Party. That was a real eye opener to me. Especially since that age demographic is between 20-25% Muslim.

I'm gonna be interested to see what the racial voting breakdown of this generation is. Will the right wing populism of Trump carry over into the youngsters like Marine Le Pen in France? It's gonna be something to watch out for.

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« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2016, 08:28:07 PM »

I fit into said category but am not yet eligible to vote Cry

The Harambe write ins are gonna skyrocket, folks
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« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2016, 08:30:59 PM »

It's all about demographics. This is the alt-right/internet Nazi generation, so I expect Generation Z whites to be 70-90% GOP. However, they will only be about 50% of the young vote. No clue how young minorities will vote compared to their elders.

35% of 18-24 year olds in the French regional elections in December 2015 voted for the National Front Party. That was a real eye opener to me. Especially since that age demographic is between 20-25% Muslim.

I'm gonna be interested to see what the racial voting breakdown of this generation is. Will the right wing populism of Trump carry over into the youngsters like Marine Le Pen in France? It's gonna be something to watch out for.



It already has, millennial whites voted for Trump by 5 points, just imagine how high it's going to be once the Pepe generation comes of age.
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« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2016, 08:32:15 PM »

It's all about demographics. This is the alt-right/internet Nazi generation, so I expect Generation Z whites to be 70-90% GOP. However, they will only be about 50% of the young vote. No clue how young minorities will vote compared to their elders.

35% of 18-24 year olds in the French regional elections in December 2015 voted for the National Front Party. That was a real eye opener to me. Especially since that age demographic is between 20-25% Muslim.

I'm gonna be interested to see what the racial voting breakdown of this generation is. Will the right wing populism of Trump carry over into the youngsters like Marine Le Pen in France? It's gonna be something to watch out for.



It already has, millennial whites voted for Trump by 5 points, just imagine how high it's going to be once the Pepe generation comes of age.

Weren't Romney's numbers with white millennials similar?
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« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2016, 08:34:30 PM »
« Edited: December 09, 2016, 08:36:07 PM by Classic Conservative »

I actually fit in this category. From my experience, white guys my age are 55-35 Trump at least from my school, which is an all boy school. The mixed gender schools in my area voted for Trump by 100-200 votes in the most recent mock elections.
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« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2016, 08:37:37 PM »

Probably slightly more Democratic than the previous generation due to demographic differences as well as general dislike of Republican policies. The exception is if there's another Obama-style Democratic candidate (in which case they'll be heavily Democratic) or Trump is popular in a Reagan-like way (in which case they could be somewhat Republican, but again, watch out for demographics). That's just a rough guess, though.

We won't have a clear idea on the voting habits of "people born after 9/11" until 2026 at the earliest though, unless someone specifically does a poll of eighteen-year-olds in 2020 for some reason.

Also I see no evidence that "the alt right generation" is a thing.
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« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2016, 08:42:10 PM »
« Edited: December 09, 2016, 08:45:39 PM by Mehmentum »

It's all about demographics. This is the alt-right/internet Nazi generation, so I expect Generation Z whites to be 70-90% GOP. However, they will only be about 50% of the young vote. No clue how young minorities will vote compared to their elders.

35% of 18-24 year olds in the French regional elections in December 2015 voted for the National Front Party. That was a real eye opener to me. Especially since that age demographic is between 20-25% Muslim.

I'm gonna be interested to see what the racial voting breakdown of this generation is. Will the right wing populism of Trump carry over into the youngsters like Marine Le Pen in France? It's gonna be something to watch out for.



It already has, millennial whites voted for Trump by 5 points, just imagine how high it's going to be once the Pepe generation comes of age.
A.) That's a far lower margin than whites of any other generation.
B.) Millennial whites voted for Romney by 7 points, so they actually swung towards Clinton.
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« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2016, 08:45:11 PM »

Also I see no evidence that "the alt right generation" is a thing.

None yet, but we'll see. I didn't think it was possible until I saw that the French regional elections last year had 35% of French youth (18-24) voting for the National Front.

I'm still inclined to agree with you, but I feel uncertain about where their voting patterns will lead them. The internet is a powerful tool of persuasion.
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« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2016, 08:52:15 PM »

Also, in the UK millenials voted overwhelmingly against brexit.


In Italy, millenials voted against the recent constitutional referendum (pushed for by the center left Democratic Party, opposed by the populist Five Star Movement.)  My thinking is that the millenial generation in continental Europe are populist conservatives, while millenials in the Anglo-phone countries are liberals.
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« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2016, 08:56:59 PM »

The continued and increasing prevalence of the internet is doing a good job at making conservative youth seem like a greater share of the population than they are. The same reason why Bernie Sanders won the social media primary by 80 points is why the Pepe Patrol seems so large. Passion in an echochamber more than makes up for sheer numbers.

They'll be less Republican than their grandparents, and that's all that matters.
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« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2016, 09:03:10 PM »
« Edited: December 09, 2016, 09:09:44 PM by King Charles »

Also, in the UK millenials voted overwhelmingly against brexit.


In Italy, millenials voted against the recent constitutional referendum (pushed for by the center left Democratic Party, opposed by the populist Five Star Movement.)  My thinking is that the millenial generation in continental Europe are populist conservatives, while millenials in the Anglo-phone countries are liberals.

Interesting. Although I think liberal might be the wrong word to describe them. The youth in Britain seem to favor the populist far leftist Corbyn. The same is true with the youth in Scotland and Ireland preferring the nationalist leftist parties of the SNP and Sein Finn.

It seems like populist, occasionally nationalist, leftist movements are being fueled in large part by the youth. This is also true in the U.K. Ireland USA, etc.
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« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2016, 09:53:15 PM »

Well, 2020 will be my first election, and I'm going straight Republican ticket =)
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« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2016, 10:00:06 PM »

Well, 2020 will be my first election, and I'm going straight Republican ticket =)

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« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2016, 10:08:44 PM »

Well, 2020 will be my first election, and I'm going straight Republican ticket =)
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« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2016, 10:15:34 PM »

Okay I think its too early to tell how they'll vote yet. However, I think a lot of them aren't going to be the "alt-right generation" because I expect this generation to be highly more educated then even the millenials.
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« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2016, 10:45:52 PM »

Also I see no evidence that "the alt right generation" is a thing.

None yet, but we'll see. I didn't think it was possible until I saw that the French regional elections last year had 35% of French youth (18-24) voting for the National Front.

I'm still inclined to agree with you, but I feel uncertain about where their voting patterns will lead them. The internet is a powerful tool of persuasion.

The US is not France.

Anyway one thing I can say with confidence is that there will be a huge gender gap.
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« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2016, 10:51:25 PM »

Also, in the UK millenials voted overwhelmingly against brexit.


In Italy, millenials voted against the recent constitutional referendum (pushed for by the center left Democratic Party, opposed by the populist Five Star Movement.)  My thinking is that the millenial generation in continental Europe are populist conservatives, while millenials in the Anglo-phone countries are liberals.

Interesting. Although I think liberal might be the wrong word to describe them. The youth in Britain seem to favor the populist far leftist Corbyn. The same is true with the youth in Scotland and Ireland preferring the nationalist leftist parties of the SNP and Sein Finn.

It seems like populist, occasionally nationalist, leftist movements are being fueled in large part by the youth. This is also true in the U.K. Ireland USA, etc.

Uh, no. The 18-24 year old demographic was the only that voted to kick Corbyn out in the aftermath of the Brexit referendum, with other age-groups striving to keep him.

Because of different issues prevalent in different countries, though, it's hard to apply lessons from one country to another. "Frexit" is not yet really a serious issue in France the way Brexit is in Britain, and immigration from the Arab world to France has been much heavier than to Britain. That'll tend to skew priorities in many ways.

Well, 2020 will be my first election, and I'm going straight Republican ticket =)

You guys do not know who will be on the Republican ticket in 2020. I would've said the same thing in 2012 (though I've been voting under the guise of apolitical relatives for longer, 2016 was my first "real" vote under my own name) and I did not. Political parties, issues, and people are all capable of changing much faster than you think.
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« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2016, 11:03:59 PM »

Also, in the UK millenials voted overwhelmingly against brexit.


In Italy, millenials voted against the recent constitutional referendum (pushed for by the center left Democratic Party, opposed by the populist Five Star Movement.)  My thinking is that the millenial generation in continental Europe are populist conservatives, while millenials in the Anglo-phone countries are liberals.

Interesting. Although I think liberal might be the wrong word to describe them. The youth in Britain seem to favor the populist far leftist Corbyn. The same is true with the youth in Scotland and Ireland preferring the nationalist leftist parties of the SNP and Sein Finn.

It seems like populist, occasionally nationalist, leftist movements are being fueled in large part by the youth. This is also true in the U.K. Ireland USA, etc.

Uh, no. The 18-24 year old demographic was the only that voted to kick Corbyn out in the aftermath of the Brexit referendum, with other age-groups striving to keep him.

Because of different issues prevalent in different countries, though, it's hard to apply lessons from one country to another. "Frexit" is not yet really a serious issue in France the way Brexit is in Britain, and immigration from the Arab world to France has been much heavier than to Britain. That'll tend to skew priorities in many ways.

Fair point. Perhaps I should've been more nuanced in my post. The youth preferred Corbyn's challenger, Owen Smith,  who also happens to be a democratic socialist and  shares much of Corbyn's philosophy. But that was an election within their Party between two similar visions.

The Labour Party as a whole does significantly better (+16 points over the Tories in the last election that they happened to have lost) with the youth. The main point to take away is that the British youth find the new ideals of the Labour Party to be preferable to the Blairites.
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« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2016, 01:05:13 AM »

It would be nice if there was an upper end to voting.  Right now you can't vote til you're 18.  Perhaps you should stop being allowed to vote when you're 80.  Old people are generally out of touch and disproportionately impact elections then die off.  I'm just saying...
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« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2016, 01:18:42 AM »

It would be nice if there was an upper end to voting.  Right now you can't vote til you're 18.  Perhaps you should stop being allowed to vote when you're 80.  Old people are generally out of touch and disproportionately impact elections then die off.  I'm just saying...

That number should definitely be lower if the primary goal is to reduce the old farts' reckless influence on those who'll inherit the country.

Compulsory voting in other countries has a varied range, but 18-70 isn't uncommon. We should borrow a page from our friends across the aisle's playbook and say "if you're no longer contributing to society, then you can't vote!". After all, why should those on the government dole have a disproportionate share of the say in our elections? We of course could allow for exceptions for those 70 and older who are still working.

Additionally, we could also consider setting those 18-70 parameters but instituting core mental competency and civics tests for anybody under 18 or over 70 who wishes to vote. If they pass, they get to vote, regardless of age. Then we'll finally have minimum (and maximum) voting ages that make sense.
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« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2016, 01:19:30 AM »

It would be nice if there was an upper end to voting.  Right now you can't vote til you're 18.  Perhaps you should stop being allowed to vote when you're 80.  Old people are generally out of touch and disproportionately impact elections then die off.  I'm just saying...
Do you have any good posts?

On a positive note though, you picked a very fitting screen name!
Maybe I don't like bigots and folks who support undemocratic measures?
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