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« on: December 10, 2016, 02:12:19 PM »
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« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2016, 03:25:24 PM »

Could probably raise a large sum of money but it's hard to recover from such a humiliating defeat. Polls will show if a similar defeat damages Kaine
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« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2016, 04:45:05 PM »

omg yesss, would be amazing.
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« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2016, 04:46:12 PM »

It would be fun to see him lose again.
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« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2016, 04:58:55 PM »

Ugh, in VA we'd never trade Kaine for the extremely low energy Cantor.
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« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2016, 05:00:59 PM »

Lean/Likely D. Could be competitive if Trump has a good presidency heading into 2018.
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« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2016, 05:06:26 PM »

Kaine was on the verge of tears hours after Hillary lost, wonder if he'll have a total breakdown if he loses his senate seat and any hopes he has for the white house
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« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2016, 05:08:30 PM »

Eh, if Kaine loses, Republicans will pick up more than 10 seats in 2018. Not going to happen. Fool's gold IMO.
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« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2016, 05:10:13 PM »

This isn't surprising to me because I figured he would eventually get back in the ring. I think Dave Brat will run for the Senate in the future.
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« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2016, 05:11:25 PM »

Kaine was on the verge of tears hours after Hillary lost, wonder if he'll have a total breakdown if he loses his senate seat and any hopes he has for the white house

lol, he's not going to lose in a Likely D seat in a Trump midterm.
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« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2016, 05:19:10 PM »


yes i agree i would love to see him quashed like a bug again also
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« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2016, 05:23:35 PM »

Kaine was on the verge of tears hours after Hillary lost, wonder if he'll have a total breakdown if he loses his senate seat and any hopes he has for the white house

lol, he's not going to lose in a Likely D seat in a Trump midterm.
It depends on what trumps approvals look like, though Kaine certainly didn't help his image between emasculating himself for hillary and getting beat down by Pence
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« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2016, 05:26:06 PM »

Kaine was on the verge of tears hours after Hillary lost, wonder if he'll have a total breakdown if he loses his senate seat and any hopes he has for the white house

lol, he's not going to lose in a Likely D seat in a Trump midterm.
It depends on what trumps approvals look like, though Kaine certainly didn't help his image between emasculating himself for hillary and getting beat down by Pence

Regardless if that is true or not, Virginia swung Dem.
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« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2016, 05:30:05 PM »

Are Republicans going to start using the Democrats' strategy of 2016, and run people who have already lost embarrassingly? Cantor would get crushed by Kaine.
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« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2016, 05:32:34 PM »

Kaine was on the verge of tears hours after Hillary lost, wonder if he'll have a total breakdown if he loses his senate seat and any hopes he has for the white house

lol, he's not going to lose in a Likely D seat in a Trump midterm.
It depends on what trumps approvals look like, though Kaine certainly didn't help his image between emasculating himself for hillary and getting beat down by Pence

"Tim Kaine will lose because he is a pussy"
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« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2016, 05:33:06 PM »

Also, I would LOVE for Dave Brat to run just to crush Cantor in the primary again.
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« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2016, 05:33:52 PM »

He can try, but in a midterm with a full Republican government, he won't get far.
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« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2016, 05:39:56 PM »

Kaine vs. Cantor 2018 matchups

Good Trump midterm: K+1
Normal Trump midterm: K+4
Bad Trump midterm: K+10

I also doubt Cantor would win a primary. He was rejected in relatively wealthy and highly educated district (Richmond suburbs), he would be disliked in the R base of everywhere but NOVA.
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« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2016, 05:40:55 PM »

Kaine was on the verge of tears hours after Hillary lost, wonder if he'll have a total breakdown if he loses his senate seat and any hopes he has for the white house

lol, he's not going to lose in a Likely D seat in a Trump midterm.
It depends on what trumps approvals look like, though Kaine certainly didn't help his image between emasculating himself for hillary and getting beat down by Pence

"Tim Kaine will lose because he is a pussy"
Several people look bad when they hang their political duture on a candidate(ask Rudy Giuliani or Chris Christie) granted Kaine is in amuch stronger position than those two, It means he Can't run to the center if Trump is somehow popular in 2018
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« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2016, 05:42:39 PM »

can we be real here? Clinton won here by 6 even with the year going the way it went. It's not going to get better for Republicans, especially with the actual bottom of the ticket running for re-election. ESPECIALLY if they try to run the original low energy loser Eric Cantor.

And Kaine isn't the one that runs to the center of the two Virginia Senators. His record was always more partisan and more liberal than Warners. Kaine's appeal was always more tailor made for Northern Virginia and the D.C. suburbs - where Virginia elections are now won. Warner was the one who won as a NASCAR democrat - winning the areas that just aren't won by Democrats anymore.
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« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2016, 05:48:53 PM »

can we be real here? Clinton won here by 6 even with the year going the way it went. It's not going to get better for Republicans, especially with the actual bottom of the ticket running for re-election. ESPECIALLY if they try to run the original low energy loser Eric Cantor.

And Kaine isn't the one that runs to the center of the two Virginia Senators. His record was always more partisan and more liberal than Warners. Kaine's appeal was always more tailor made for Northern Virginia and the D.C. suburbs - where Virginia elections are now won. Warner was the one who won as a NASCAR democrat - winning the areas that just aren't won by Democrats anymore.

I think like with Ohio we are being too quick to dismiss Virginia as a swing state. Clinton was uniquely well suited for Virginia while trump was a bad fit, a role reversal of Ohio. I think if Kasich or Rubio won the nomination they would have carried Virginia
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« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2016, 05:49:00 PM »

can we be real here? Clinton won here by 6 even with the year going the way it went. It's not going to get better for Republicans, especially with the actual bottom of the ticket running for re-election. ESPECIALLY if they try to run the original low energy loser Eric Cantor.

And Kaine isn't the one that runs to the center of the two Virginia Senators. His record was always more partisan and more liberal than Warners. Kaine's appeal was always more tailor made for Northern Virginia and the D.C. suburbs - where Virginia elections are now won. Warner was the one who won as a NASCAR democrat - winning the areas that just aren't won by Democrats anymore.

Right on the second paragraph... Warner wins by getting good but not great margins in the typical dem strongholds but then doing better in rural VA (he was one of the major guys behind the coal miner pension thing), while Kaine racks up the margin in NOVA and Richmond. Of course, this strategy hurt Warner in 2014 when his rural voters disappeared and turnout went down in NOVA (and he lost Loudoun County).
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« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2016, 06:48:21 PM »

Kaine was on the verge of tears hours after Hillary lost, wonder if he'll have a total breakdown if he loses his senate seat and any hopes he has for the white house

lol, he's not going to lose in a Likely D seat in a Trump midterm.
It depends on what trumps approvals look like, though Kaine certainly didn't help his image between emasculating himself for hillary and getting beat down by Pence

Lieberman and Ryan didn't suddenly become unpopular in their home areas just because they were on a losing ticket. Palin is a different story obviously, and Edwards never ran in NC after 2004.

Anyway, I'd say Likely D for this one. Virginia is not done as a swing state, but this is more likely than not to be a good year for Democrats, and Kaine is a strong enough incumbent.
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« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2016, 06:52:40 PM »

Eh, if Kaine loses, Republicans will pick up more than 10 seats in 2018. Not going to happen. Fool's gold IMO.
So two of Klobuchar, Nelson, and Baldwin are more likely to lose than Kaine?
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« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2016, 06:54:53 PM »

Eh, if Kaine loses, Republicans will pick up more than 10 seats in 2018. Not going to happen. Fool's gold IMO.
So two of Klobuchar, Nelson, and Baldwin are more likely to lose than Kaine?

Nelson and Baldwin are more likely to lose than Kaine. Klobuchar has her seat locked down if she still wants it, but things could get interesting if she retires.
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