Democrats: Which coalition would you prefer your party have?

[RINO Tom]

Let's suppose we get a purely working class party like the days of old (plus minorities), like the vast majority of Atlasian Democrats seem to want.  Which, if we are to use Pew's terminology from that 2014 poll, would mean a Democratic Party composed of mainly Solid Liberals, Hard-Pressed Skeptics, and the Faith and Family Left, while essentially bidding adieu to the Next Generation Left.  

That would mean a more socially conservative party in addition to being more economically populist if we want to reflect our altered demographics faithfully.  

Is that what you really want?  

That sounds great

That's what I've been dreaming of for years. That's what the Democratic Party was founded on, that's what the Democratic Party strove for during the New Deal, and that's the Democratic Party we need today.

This is why its a good thing that Atlas dems aren't the driving force in the party.

Yeah. If they were, eugenics would be a major part of the platform

*facepalm* Did you even read my recent posts in those boards.

More importantly, are you aware that more socon = opposition to gay marriage, opposition to letting trans people even exist, etc.?

I'm entirely messing with ya on the eugenics thing, your position on it isn't that bad. Also, the Democratic Party doesn't necessarily need to be firmly SoCon, it just needs to stop shutting these folks out entirely. There out to be at least a socially moderate element within the Democrat party. One thing that ought to happen is the defederalization of abortion as an issue, consider it is such a hot button issue. There are plenty of folks in Alabama, Louisiana, and the rest of the South that wouldn't be opposed to voting for Democratic candidates if abortion wasn't such a divisive issue.

And as far as I know, SoCon doesn't exclusively mean opposition to gay marriage and being transphobic. I'm a decently Socially Conservative person and support gay marriage and the rights of transsexual Americans. There are such things as nuanced Social Conservatives.

There were a string of conservative essays in the mid 2000's suggesting that the GOP focus on the black vote. The argument went "The Democrats are totally dependent on blacks voting 90%+ for them. If we can get them to vote 80-20 Dem, the Democrats will never win ever"

Given that White Evangelicals are voting GOP in similar margins, I wonder if they ought to give this line of reasoning a try.

I was certainly a fan of that strategy ... get even a few more affluent Blacks to vote Republican, and you'd put the Democrats in a REAL bad spot without really compromising your margins with the current groups, IMO.  Alas, that ship has sailed for now.

[Person Man]

Let's suppose we get a purely working class party like the days of old (plus minorities), like the vast majority of Atlasian Democrats seem to want.  Which, if we are to use Pew's terminology from that 2014 poll, would mean a Democratic Party composed of mainly Solid Liberals, Hard-Pressed Skeptics, and the Faith and Family Left, while essentially bidding adieu to the Next Generation Left.  

That would mean a more socially conservative party in addition to being more economically populist if we want to reflect our altered demographics faithfully.  

Is that what you really want?  

That sounds great

That's what I've been dreaming of for years. That's what the Democratic Party was founded on, that's what the Democratic Party strove for during the New Deal, and that's the Democratic Party we need today.

This is why its a good thing that Atlas dems aren't the driving force in the party.

Yeah. If they were, eugenics would be a major part of the platform

*facepalm* Did you even read my recent posts in those boards.

More importantly, are you aware that more socon = opposition to gay marriage, opposition to letting trans people even exist, etc.?

No, I am completely unaware of that falsehood. Being socially conservative doesn't mean being part of the bigoted right of Ted Cruz. It means feeling a certain way generally with regard to maintaining order.

Are you talking Patriot Act, police spying, closing strip clubs, banning thongs on the beach, and Grendarmization?

Can't we just have a more libertarian than left-wing social platform and not put it front and center unless we are attacked on it or to use it to attack opponents that campaign on issues against it?

That way, we can run entirely against special interests and be for returning the government to the people.

We can contrast being American with 'standing for America" and being for opportunities and markets without being for the 1% and corporate corruption.

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Obviously the Democrats need white working class votes a whole lot more than they need the Great Fabled Educated Sensible Suburban Moderates, but I take a lot of umbrage at the poll options. Even in the days of FDR, LBJ and mass unionism the Democrats were not a class based party in the same way the SPD or Labour were (and even in Europe it's a crude distinction - conservative working class people have always existed and been quite powerful in certain areas and tendencies). It's the nature of how ethnicity works in the us, that you'll never get a 'pure' class based system.