Democrats: Which coalition would you prefer your party have?

[Frozen Sky Ever Why]

Do you prefer the modern Democratic party which focuses on minorities and educated whites or the pre-third way coalition focused on both poor minorities and "working class" whites?

[White Trash]

Class based. Rednecks in, yuppies out.

[JA]

Class based. So long as we retain our championing of minority rights, I'd be perfectly happy with that.

[President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️]

Class based. So long as we retain our championing of minority rights, I'd be perfectly happy with that.

[Cory]

Class based. So long as we retain our championing of minority rights, I'd be perfectly happy with that.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

Educated whites + minorities for me.

[bagelman]

Class based. Rednecks in, yuppies out.

Class based. So long as we retain our championing of minority rights, I'd be perfectly happy with that.

[SWE]

Class based. So long as we retain our championing of minority rights, I'd be perfectly happy with that.

A party that ignored minority rights wouldn't exactly be class based.

[Cashew]

Class based. So long as we retain our championing of minority rights, I'd be perfectly happy with that.

A party that ignored minority rights wouldn't exactly be class based.

Blacks supported the new deal coalition, in spite of Democrats being the more racist party back then.

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

Class based. Rednecks in, yuppies out.

[Mr. Illini]

College educated + working class minorities + working class whites

Preferably

Though I know that it is often difficult for the first two to get along with the last one. In that case, I'd rather have the first two.

[Frodo]

Let's suppose we get a purely working class party like the days of old (plus minorities), like the vast majority of Atlasian Democrats seem to want.  Which, if we are to use Pew's terminology from that 2014 poll, would mean a Democratic Party composed of mainly Solid Liberals, Hard-Pressed Skeptics, and the Faith and Family Left, while essentially bidding adieu to the Next Generation Left.  

That would mean a more socially conservative party in addition to being more economically populist if we want to reflect our altered demographics faithfully.  

Is that what you really want?  

[bagelman]

Let's suppose we get a purely working class party like the days of old (plus minorities), like the vast majority of Atlasian Democrats seem to want.  Which, if we are to use Pew's terminology from that 2014 poll, would mean a Democratic Party composed of mainly Solid Liberals, Hard-Pressed Skeptics, and the Faith and Family Left, while essentially bidding adieu to the Next Generation Left.  

That would mean a more socially conservative party in addition to being more economically populist if we want to reflect our altered demographics faithfully.  

Is that what you really want?  

That sounds great

[White Trash]

Let's suppose we get a purely working class party like the days of old (plus minorities), like the vast majority of Atlasian Democrats seem to want.  Which, if we are to use Pew's terminology from that 2014 poll, would mean a Democratic Party composed of mainly Solid Liberals, Hard-Pressed Skeptics, and the Faith and Family Left, while essentially bidding adieu to the Next Generation Left.  

That would mean a more socially conservative party in addition to being more economically populist if we want to reflect our altered demographics faithfully.  

Is that what you really want?  

That sounds great

That's what I've been dreaming of for years. That's what the Democratic Party was founded on, that's what the Democratic Party strove for during the New Deal, and that's the Democratic Party we need today.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

Let's suppose we get a purely working class party like the days of old (plus minorities), like the vast majority of Atlasian Democrats seem to want.  Which, if we are to use Pew's terminology from that 2014 poll, would mean a Democratic Party composed of mainly Solid Liberals, Hard-Pressed Skeptics, and the Faith and Family Left, while essentially bidding adieu to the Next Generation Left.  

That would mean a more socially conservative party in addition to being more economically populist if we want to reflect our altered demographics faithfully.  

Is that what you really want?  

That sounds great

That's what I've been dreaming of for years. That's what the Democratic Party was founded on, that's what the Democratic Party strove for during the New Deal, and that's the Democratic Party we need today.

This is why its a good thing that Atlas dems aren't the driving force in the party.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

Let's suppose we get a purely working class party like the days of old (plus minorities), like the vast majority of Atlasian Democrats seem to want.  Which, if we are to use Pew's terminology from that 2014 poll, would mean a Democratic Party composed of mainly Solid Liberals, Hard-Pressed Skeptics, and the Faith and Family Left, while essentially bidding adieu to the Next Generation Left.  

That would mean a more socially conservative party in addition to being more economically populist if we want to reflect our altered demographics faithfully.  

Is that what you really want?  

That sounds great

That's what I've been dreaming of for years. That's what the Democratic Party was founded on, that's what the Democratic Party strove for during the New Deal, and that's the Democratic Party we need today.

Yep. I might go back to a red avatar if that happened.

[RaphaelDLG]

Let's suppose we get a purely working class party like the days of old (plus minorities), like the vast majority of Atlasian Democrats seem to want.  Which, if we are to use Pew's terminology from that 2014 poll, would mean a Democratic Party composed of mainly Solid Liberals, Hard-Pressed Skeptics, and the Faith and Family Left, while essentially bidding adieu to the Next Generation Left.  

That would mean a more socially conservative party in addition to being more economically populist if we want to reflect our altered demographics faithfully.  

Is that what you really want?  

That sounds great

That's what I've been dreaming of for years. That's what the Democratic Party was founded on, that's what the Democratic Party strove for during the New Deal, and that's the Democratic Party we need today.

[White Trash]

Let's suppose we get a purely working class party like the days of old (plus minorities), like the vast majority of Atlasian Democrats seem to want.  Which, if we are to use Pew's terminology from that 2014 poll, would mean a Democratic Party composed of mainly Solid Liberals, Hard-Pressed Skeptics, and the Faith and Family Left, while essentially bidding adieu to the Next Generation Left.  

That would mean a more socially conservative party in addition to being more economically populist if we want to reflect our altered demographics faithfully.  

Is that what you really want?  

That sounds great

That's what I've been dreaming of for years. That's what the Democratic Party was founded on, that's what the Democratic Party strove for during the New Deal, and that's the Democratic Party we need today.

This is why its a good thing that Atlas dems aren't the driving force in the party.

Yeah. If they were, eugenics would be a major part of the platform

[JA]

Let's suppose we get a purely working class party like the days of old (plus minorities), like the vast majority of Atlasian Democrats seem to want.  Which, if we are to use Pew's terminology from that 2014 poll, would mean a Democratic Party composed of mainly Solid Liberals, Hard-Pressed Skeptics, and the Faith and Family Left, while essentially bidding adieu to the Next Generation Left.  

That would mean a more socially conservative party in addition to being more economically populist if we want to reflect our altered demographics faithfully.  

Is that what you really want?  

That sounds great

That's what I've been dreaming of for years. That's what the Democratic Party was founded on, that's what the Democratic Party strove for during the New Deal, and that's the Democratic Party we need today.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

Let's suppose we get a purely working class party like the days of old (plus minorities), like the vast majority of Atlasian Democrats seem to want.  Which, if we are to use Pew's terminology from that 2014 poll, would mean a Democratic Party composed of mainly Solid Liberals, Hard-Pressed Skeptics, and the Faith and Family Left, while essentially bidding adieu to the Next Generation Left.  

That would mean a more socially conservative party in addition to being more economically populist if we want to reflect our altered demographics faithfully.  

Is that what you really want?  

That sounds great

That's what I've been dreaming of for years. That's what the Democratic Party was founded on, that's what the Democratic Party strove for during the New Deal, and that's the Democratic Party we need today.

This is why its a good thing that Atlas dems aren't the driving force in the party.

Yeah. If they were, eugenics would be a major part of the platform

*facepalm* Did you even read my recent posts in those boards.

More importantly, are you aware that more socon = opposition to gay marriage, opposition to letting trans people even exist, etc.?

[Frodo]

Let's suppose we get a purely working class party like the days of old (plus minorities), like the vast majority of Atlasian Democrats seem to want.  Which, if we are to use Pew's terminology from that 2014 poll, would mean a Democratic Party composed of mainly Solid Liberals, Hard-Pressed Skeptics, and the Faith and Family Left, while essentially bidding adieu to the Next Generation Left.  

That would mean a more socially conservative party in addition to being more economically populist if we want to reflect our altered demographics faithfully.  

Is that what you really want?  

Einzige on AAD is a nazi troll, but he's spot on with this post:

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The Democratic Party doesn't need to - and shouldn't - sacrifice progressive views on "social issues" (kind of a silly term, but w/e) to appeal to white-working class voters. People don't weigh social and economic issues equally; as long as we offer a genuine populist alternative to the Republican Party that is effective at feeding and housing the working people of this country, the wedge/culture issues aren't going to kill our chances with these groups.

You're right -up to a point.  Republicans, for instance, were able to wing it for thirty years with a platform centered on social traditionalism, fiscal conservatism, and an interventionist foreign policy until recently.  Now that they have become a largely white, working class party (and less country club-oriented), they might have to follow Donald Trump's lead and change more than just their platform (which nobody reads anyway) to reflect that change as they better reflect their constituents' changing desires.

I suppose we could wing it as well, for a time.  

[Figueira]

Primarily class-based as long as we can keep our current platform.

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

Let's suppose we get a purely working class party like the days of old (plus minorities), like the vast majority of Atlasian Democrats seem to want.  Which, if we are to use Pew's terminology from that 2014 poll, would mean a Democratic Party composed of mainly Solid Liberals, Hard-Pressed Skeptics, and the Faith and Family Left, while essentially bidding adieu to the Next Generation Left.  

That would mean a more socially conservative party in addition to being more economically populist if we want to reflect our altered demographics faithfully.  

Is that what you really want?  

That sounds great

That's what I've been dreaming of for years. That's what the Democratic Party was founded on, that's what the Democratic Party strove for during the New Deal, and that's the Democratic Party we need today.

This is why its a good thing that Atlas dems aren't the driving force in the party.

Yeah. If they were, eugenics would be a major part of the platform

*facepalm* Did you even read my recent posts in those boards.

More importantly, are you aware that more socon = opposition to gay marriage, opposition to letting trans people even exist, etc.?

No, I am completely unaware of that falsehood. Being socially conservative doesn't mean being part of the bigoted right of Ted Cruz. It means feeling a certain way generally with regard to maintaining order.

[White Trash]

Let's suppose we get a purely working class party like the days of old (plus minorities), like the vast majority of Atlasian Democrats seem to want.  Which, if we are to use Pew's terminology from that 2014 poll, would mean a Democratic Party composed of mainly Solid Liberals, Hard-Pressed Skeptics, and the Faith and Family Left, while essentially bidding adieu to the Next Generation Left.  

That would mean a more socially conservative party in addition to being more economically populist if we want to reflect our altered demographics faithfully.  

Is that what you really want?  

That sounds great

That's what I've been dreaming of for years. That's what the Democratic Party was founded on, that's what the Democratic Party strove for during the New Deal, and that's the Democratic Party we need today.

This is why its a good thing that Atlas dems aren't the driving force in the party.

Yeah. If they were, eugenics would be a major part of the platform

*facepalm* Did you even read my recent posts in those boards.

More importantly, are you aware that more socon = opposition to gay marriage, opposition to letting trans people even exist, etc.?

I'm entirely messing with ya on the eugenics thing, your position on it isn't that bad. Also, the Democratic Party doesn't necessarily need to be firmly SoCon, it just needs to stop shutting these folks out entirely. There out to be at least a socially moderate element within the Democrat party. One thing that ought to happen is the defederalization of abortion as an issue, consider it is such a hot button issue. There are plenty of folks in Alabama, Louisiana, and the rest of the South that wouldn't be opposed to voting for Democratic candidates if abortion wasn't such a divisive issue.

And as far as I know, SoCon doesn't exclusively mean opposition to gay marriage and being transphobic. I'm a decently Socially Conservative person and support gay marriage and the rights of transsexual Americans. There are such things as nuanced Social Conservatives.

[DC Al Fine]

Let's suppose we get a purely working class party like the days of old (plus minorities), like the vast majority of Atlasian Democrats seem to want.  Which, if we are to use Pew's terminology from that 2014 poll, would mean a Democratic Party composed of mainly Solid Liberals, Hard-Pressed Skeptics, and the Faith and Family Left, while essentially bidding adieu to the Next Generation Left.  

That would mean a more socially conservative party in addition to being more economically populist if we want to reflect our altered demographics faithfully.  

Is that what you really want?  

That sounds great

That's what I've been dreaming of for years. That's what the Democratic Party was founded on, that's what the Democratic Party strove for during the New Deal, and that's the Democratic Party we need today.

This is why its a good thing that Atlas dems aren't the driving force in the party.

Yeah. If they were, eugenics would be a major part of the platform

*facepalm* Did you even read my recent posts in those boards.

More importantly, are you aware that more socon = opposition to gay marriage, opposition to letting trans people even exist, etc.?

I'm entirely messing with ya on the eugenics thing, your position on it isn't that bad. Also, the Democratic Party doesn't necessarily need to be firmly SoCon, it just needs to stop shutting these folks out entirely. There out to be at least a socially moderate element within the Democrat party. One thing that ought to happen is the defederalization of abortion as an issue, consider it is such a hot button issue. There are plenty of folks in Alabama, Louisiana, and the rest of the South that wouldn't be opposed to voting for Democratic candidates if abortion wasn't such a divisive issue.

And as far as I know, SoCon doesn't exclusively mean opposition to gay marriage and being transphobic. I'm a decently Socially Conservative person and support gay marriage and the rights of transsexual Americans. There are such things as nuanced Social Conservatives.

There were a string of conservative essays in the mid 2000's suggesting that the GOP focus on the black vote. The argument went "The Democrats are totally dependent on blacks voting 90%+ for them. If we can get them to vote 80-20 Dem, the Democrats will never win ever"

Given that White Evangelicals are voting GOP in similar margins, I wonder if they ought to give this line of reasoning a try.