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« Reply #50 on: December 28, 2016, 10:35:03 AM »

I did some calculations on the results of the Presidential elections on December 4, because I found something interesting:

* postal ballots are only counted on the district level, not on the municipal level.

So, for example, the city result for Zell am See (where I live) was 52.9% Hofer vs. 47.1% VdB

http://wahl16.bmi.gv.at/1612-50628.html

But, according to the Salzburg state election page, the city of Zell am See had a huge number of postal ballots requested, a share much higer than the state and Austrian average.

821 absentee ballots were requested.

The district of Zell am See had a 87% return rate for absentees and 65% voted for VdB.

If we apply the 87% return rate for the 821 postal ballots, we'll get 714.

Of the 714, about 98.2% were valid.

That leaves 701 valid ones.

I assume Zell am See (more urban) had a higher VdB vote than the district as a whole (more like 67% like the state of Salzburg as a whole (69%), rather than 65% for the district).

So, in the end Zell am See voted something like this:

2.314 votes - VdB (50.1%)
2.306 votes - Hofer (49.9%)
   162 votes - invalid
4.782 votes cast

Turnout: 73.7%

...

So, while we don't know the exact result for the city of Zell am See, it was 50-50 (with a MoE of only about +/- 0.5% in either direction).

VdB gains about 2.5% with the postal ballots from the original city result.
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« Reply #51 on: December 28, 2016, 10:49:29 AM »

If we compare postal vote data from districts which voted similar to Zell am See, like the 2 suburban Salzburg districts of Hallein and Salzburg-Umgebung (Salzburg City suburbs), then it's even more likely that VdB won the city of Zell am See slightly with the help of postal ballots:

Both Hallein and Salzburg-Umgebung were won by VdB by 51% and 52%.

And their postal vote was 69% for VdB !

So, Zell am See (using the 69%) would have voted with around 50.4% for VdB.

I guess there's about a 90% chance that VdB won the city here.
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« Reply #52 on: December 28, 2016, 11:05:07 AM »

Based on postal votes, I guess at least Saalfelden (the biggest city in my district, with 17.000 people) also voted for VdB.

The original results (excl. postal votes) were already 49.7% VdB and 50.3% Hofer

If VdB gains an average of 2.5% from postals, Saalfelden voted around 52-48 for VdB.

Also, another town (Dienten) would have likely switched.

Most other towns in my district were pretty Hofer-leaning though (even though you also have to shave off around 2.5% from the Hofer-results there).

Which means, of the 28 towns in my district, it's very likely that 19 ended up voting for Hofer and 9 for VdB.

3 of the VdB towns were very likely won because of VdB's clear lead among postal voters.
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« Reply #53 on: December 28, 2016, 11:28:32 AM »

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« Reply #54 on: December 30, 2016, 05:15:47 AM »

STATISTICS Austria released some budget, debt and six-pack numbers yesterday.

It shows that debt as a percentage of GDP decreased from 87% to 84% in the 3rd quarter, which means debt peaked in the 2nd quarter. It is projected to decrease to around 83% for the end of 2016 and to around 80% by the end of next year. The HYPO bad bank and some others really pushed up the debt in the last 8 years. For example, in 2008 the debt was only at 65% of GDP.

Also, the budget deficit looks better than projected: At the start of the year, it looked like a 1.6% budget deficit. But using data until November, it is now likely to end up somewhere between 0.9% and 1.1%, roughly the same deficit as 2015 (which was 1% of GDP).

While the central government ran a bigger deficit than last year, the states, towns and social security all ran bigger surpluses than last year.

Therefore my estimates:

2016 Budget deficit: -1.0% (same as in 2015)
2016 debt as % of GDP: 83% (-2.5%)

The actual figures will be released at the end of March.
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« Reply #55 on: December 30, 2016, 07:31:11 AM »

10 lists have collected enough signatures to be on the Graz city council ballot:

* ÖVP
* KPÖ
* Greens
* SPÖ
* FPÖ
* Pirates
* NEOS
* WIR
* Einsparkraftwerk
* a woman called Tatjana Petrovic

http://mobil.derstandard.at/2000050026294/Graz-Wahl-Neos-und-Wir-treten-zum-ersten-Mal-an
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« Reply #56 on: December 31, 2016, 03:55:43 AM »

Year-end Profil magazine poll, conducted by Unique Research:

34% FPÖ
28% SPÖ
19% ÖVP
11% Greens
  7% NEOS
  1% Others

Chancellor vote:

31% Kern (SPÖ-incumbent)
17% Strache (FPÖ)
  8% Mitterlehner (ÖVP)
44% Others/None of them

The most important topics for Austrians in the year 2017 ?

23% Migration/refugees
20% Security
13% Unemployment
10% Taxes
10% Education

Will 2017 be better, worse or the same as 2016 for you personally ?

15% better
21% worse
58% the same

http://www.profil.at/oesterreich/kanzlerfrage-kern-vorsprung-strache-7916991
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« Reply #57 on: December 31, 2016, 06:54:05 AM »
« Edited: December 31, 2016, 07:04:12 AM by President François de la Rocque »

Doesn't look too bad for the SPÖ
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« Reply #58 on: January 02, 2017, 12:31:17 PM »

What's next ?

On Jan. 11, Chancellor Kern (SPÖ) will give a "major" speech on the economy and jobs and what the SPÖ will do about it this year.

He will do so in Wels, a big city which has elected a FPÖ-mayor for the first time in 2015. Apparently, this is to win back some FPÖ-voters.

It seems SPÖVP got their act together over Christmas and early elections are now unlikely this year. They'll likely find some way to last until 2018, the regular date for the next federal elections.

SPÖ and ÖVP will also have intra-party meetings over the next weeks to refine their positions on some issues. SPÖVP will then "update" their coalition working program and present their "work plan" for 2017 to the public at the end of the month.

According to the media, a lot will focus on the economy, jobs, taxes and security. But also education and pensions.
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« Reply #59 on: January 02, 2017, 01:26:00 PM »

fpö city.....which voted for van der bellen.

kind of a backlash, i guess.

those poll numbers are "more or less" decent for the coalition compared to the average of the last year....
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« Reply #60 on: January 03, 2017, 03:11:32 AM »

2 new polls today.

First, the less interesting one - because it's already the third poll of the state in the past weeks.

Tyrol state election poll by GMK for the Bezirksblätter:



www.meinbezirk.at/land-tirol/politik/exklusiv-die-grosse-bezirksblaetterumfrage-zum-jahreswechsel-regierung-bleibt-hinter-erwartung-d1975874.html

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Now the more interesting one, conducted by M+R Institute in the state of Lower Austria:

It first asked how Lower Austrians would vote in the next federal election, with the current party leaders:



Then it asked how Lower Austrians would vote if the leaders were Sebastian Kurz for the ÖVP and Irmgard Griss for NEOS:



And here are the actual results for Austria and Lower Austria in the 2013 elections:



These findings are really significant if true:

Notice that Kurz would not only double the current ÖVP-share if he were the new leader, but also get most new voters from non-voters/undecideds and the FPÖ. Also, the Greens are losing support, probably to the SPÖ and NEOS.

Adjusted for non-voters and undecideds, the Kurz-ÖVP would get almost 47% of the vote in Lower Austria. That is similar to Schüssel's landslide victory in 2002, when the ÖVP got 49% in Lower Austria and 42% Austria-wide ... !

http://www.noen.at/niederoesterreich/politik/sonntagsfrage-nationalratswahl-noe-umfrage-spricht-fuer-kurz/33.553.220
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« Reply #61 on: January 03, 2017, 03:27:17 AM »

Excluding undecideds and non-voters, the Austrian result with Kurz as ÖVP-leader would be something like this:

40-42% ÖVP (+22 compared with current polling !)
23-25% SPÖ (-4)
18-20% FPÖ (-15 !)
  8-10% NEOS (+2)
    6-7% Greens (-6)
    0-2% Others
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« Reply #62 on: January 03, 2017, 08:56:32 AM »

Muna Duzdar (SPÖ), the first Muslim cabinet member in Austria (she's of Palestinian origin), has visited Israel recently.

She praised Israel for being the "start-up country #1" and wants to bring some Israeli know-how to Austria.



http://derstandard.at/2000050161381/Duzdar-holte-sich-Tipps-der-Start-up-Nation-in-Israel

(when she became a Minister, the FPÖ subtly attacked her for being "anti-Israel" because of her Palestinian origins and also - subtly - because she's Muslim, even though she has often said that she's non-religious, but was only raised Muslim ... Tongue)

She's also a strong advocate for gay rights in the "It gets better" campaign and an advocate against hate speech on social media, but doesn't want to ban "fake-news" - calling it censorship.
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« Reply #63 on: January 03, 2017, 12:33:25 PM »

Excluding undecideds and non-voters, the Austrian result with Kurz as ÖVP-leader would be something like this:

40-42% ÖVP (+22 compared with current polling !)
23-25% SPÖ (-4)
18-20% FPÖ (-15 !)
  8-10% NEOS (+2)
    6-7% Greens (-6)
    0-2% Others

The FPÖ is already getting nervous it seems.

Their "party newspaper" - called "UNCENSORED" - (and the FPÖ's version of Breitbart), is attacking the poll as "crap":

https://www.unzensuriert.at/content/0022772-Proells-Hausblatt-NOeN-startet-mit-seltsamer-Umfrage-Mitterlehners-Sturz-durch-Kurz
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« Reply #64 on: January 03, 2017, 12:48:42 PM »

That's interesting. Sebastian Kurz is very young, he's only 30. Why is he so popular and poised to win the general election if he's elected OVP leader? Does his views about European immigrants have a big influence?
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« Reply #65 on: January 03, 2017, 01:07:00 PM »

That's interesting. Sebastian Kurz is very young, he's only 30. Why is he so popular and poised to win the general election if he's elected OVP leader? Does his views about European immigrants have a big influence?

Aside from being very young and dynamic, he's also seen as a "doer" among Austrian voters and not a "talker" - like most other politicians are seen.

* He led the European initiative to close the Balkan route to migrants streaming in (something even Merkel had to acknowledge later on was a success and beneficial to Germany).

* He takes a tough stance against Turkish dictator Erdogan and Turkish agitation of pro-Erdogan supporters in Austria, calling on them "to fly home" if they refuse to integrate here.

* He called to end Turkish EU-membership talks, if dictator Erdogan refuses to uphold human rights by waging war against the Kurds, jailing political opponents and the introduction of the death penalty.

* He has led the way to an updated Austrian Islam Law, which cracks down hard on extremist Muslim interference in Austria from abroad (such as Saudi Arabia), which bans foreign funding of mosques and imams and mandates German to be spoken in Austrian mosques. The updated law btw also has several points strengthening Muslims and their faith such as the rights to halal food and pastoral care in the military.

* He has outlined a 50-point plan to better integrate migrants into Austrian society and workforce.

* He hosted US-Russian etc. peace talks about Syria in Vienna.

 * He is currently in the Donbass region of Ukraine as head of the OSCE to mediate between Russia and the Ukraine, which Austria took over on January 1.

* He advocates cutting any development aid for countries that are not willing to sign deportation treaties for rejected Austrian asylum seekers, such as Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, Afghanistan etc. - countries that are considered mostly safe by now.

And so on ...

That's why he has 70% favorable/job approval numbers and is miles ahead of other politicians in these rankings.
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« Reply #66 on: January 03, 2017, 01:14:06 PM »

That's interesting. Sebastian Kurz is very young, he's only 30. Why is he so popular and poised to win the general election if he's elected OVP leader? Does his views about European immigrants have a big influence?

Aside from being very young and dynamic, he's also seen as a "doer" among Austrian voters and not a "talker" - like most other politicians are seen.

* He led the European initiative to close the Balkan route to migrants streaming in (something even Merkel had to acknowledge later on was a success and beneficial to Germany).

* He takes a tough stance against Turkish dictator Erdogan and Turkish agitation of pro-Erdogan supporters in Austria, calling on them "to fly home" if they refuse to integrate here.

* He called to end Turkish EU-membership talks, if dictator Erdogan refuses to uphold human rights by waging war against the Kurds, jailing political opponents and the introduction of the death penalty.

* He has led the way to an updated Austrian Islam Law, which cracks down hard on extremist Muslim interference in Austria from abroad (such as Saudi Arabia), which bans foreign funding of mosques and imams and mandates German to be spoken in Austrian mosques. The updated law btw also has several points strengthening Muslims and their faith such as the rights to halal food and pastoral care in the military.

* He has outlined a 50-point plan to better integrate migrants into Austrian society and workforce.

* He hosted US-Russian etc. peace talks about Syria in Vienna.

 * He is currently in the Donbass region of Ukraine as head of the OSCE to mediate between Russia and the Ukraine, which Austria took over on January 1.

* He advocates cutting any development aid for countries that are not willing to sign deportation treaties for rejected Austrian asylum seekers, such as Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, Afghanistan etc. - countries that are considered mostly safe by now.

And so on ...

That's why he has 70% favorable/job approval numbers and is miles ahead of other politicians in these rankings.
WOW! That's quite a resume for a politician his age. I'm impressed. I wish we had this kind of politicians in my country. But Tender, is he really considering running for the leadership or is it just media speculation?
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« Reply #67 on: January 03, 2017, 01:20:12 PM »

That's interesting. Sebastian Kurz is very young, he's only 30. Why is he so popular and poised to win the general election if he's elected OVP leader? Does his views about European immigrants have a big influence?

Aside from being very young and dynamic, he's also seen as a "doer" among Austrian voters and not a "talker" - like most other politicians are seen.

* He led the European initiative to close the Balkan route to migrants streaming in (something even Merkel had to acknowledge later on was a success and beneficial to Germany).

* He takes a tough stance against Turkish dictator Erdogan and Turkish agitation of pro-Erdogan supporters in Austria, calling on them "to fly home" if they refuse to integrate here.

* He called to end Turkish EU-membership talks, if dictator Erdogan refuses to uphold human rights by waging war against the Kurds, jailing political opponents and the introduction of the death penalty.

* He has led the way to an updated Austrian Islam Law, which cracks down hard on extremist Muslim interference in Austria from abroad (such as Saudi Arabia), which bans foreign funding of mosques and imams and mandates German to be spoken in Austrian mosques. The updated law btw also has several points strengthening Muslims and their faith such as the rights to halal food and pastoral care in the military.

* He has outlined a 50-point plan to better integrate migrants into Austrian society and workforce.

* He hosted US-Russian etc. peace talks about Syria in Vienna.

 * He is currently in the Donbass region of Ukraine as head of the OSCE to mediate between Russia and the Ukraine, which Austria took over on January 1.

* He advocates cutting any development aid for countries that are not willing to sign deportation treaties for rejected Austrian asylum seekers, such as Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, Afghanistan etc. - countries that are considered mostly safe by now.

And so on ...

That's why he has 70% favorable/job approval numbers and is miles ahead of other politicians in these rankings.
WOW! That's quite a resume for a politician his age. I'm impressed. I wish we had this kind of politicians in my country. But Tender, is he really considering running for the leadership or is it just media speculation?

True.

I might actually consider voting for a Kurz-ÖVP (the first time in my life that I vote ÖVP) and abandon the Greens for once because of his achievements and spine that he's shown recently.

A Kurz-led ÖVP IMO is the best way to cripple the FPÖ, because many of the FPÖ's potential protest voters are only soft-core and could easily switch over to Kurz (as would many centrist Greens and NEOS-voters).

On the other hand, if he becomes ÖVP-leader he'd immediately face heavy attacks not only from the FPÖ but also the SPÖ and the NEOS.

Therefore, the timing as to when he becomes ÖVP-leader would be important too.

Anyway, the media is spinning a lot but Kurz has repeatedly said he's "not thinking about becoming party leader right now".

It will really depend what the ÖVP's sections and influential leaders will have to say over the next months, or if the Mitterlehner-ÖVP will get something done in the next months ...
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« Reply #68 on: January 03, 2017, 01:33:14 PM »

That's interesting. Sebastian Kurz is very young, he's only 30. Why is he so popular and poised to win the general election if he's elected OVP leader? Does his views about European immigrants have a big influence?

Aside from being very young and dynamic, he's also seen as a "doer" among Austrian voters and not a "talker" - like most other politicians are seen.

* He led the European initiative to close the Balkan route to migrants streaming in (something even Merkel had to acknowledge later on was a success and beneficial to Germany).

* He takes a tough stance against Turkish dictator Erdogan and Turkish agitation of pro-Erdogan supporters in Austria, calling on them "to fly home" if they refuse to integrate here.

* He called to end Turkish EU-membership talks, if dictator Erdogan refuses to uphold human rights by waging war against the Kurds, jailing political opponents and the introduction of the death penalty.

* He has led the way to an updated Austrian Islam Law, which cracks down hard on extremist Muslim interference in Austria from abroad (such as Saudi Arabia), which bans foreign funding of mosques and imams and mandates German to be spoken in Austrian mosques. The updated law btw also has several points strengthening Muslims and their faith such as the rights to halal food and pastoral care in the military.

* He has outlined a 50-point plan to better integrate migrants into Austrian society and workforce.

* He hosted US-Russian etc. peace talks about Syria in Vienna.

 * He is currently in the Donbass region of Ukraine as head of the OSCE to mediate between Russia and the Ukraine, which Austria took over on January 1.

* He advocates cutting any development aid for countries that are not willing to sign deportation treaties for rejected Austrian asylum seekers, such as Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, Afghanistan etc. - countries that are considered mostly safe by now.

And so on ...

That's why he has 70% favorable/job approval numbers and is miles ahead of other politicians in these rankings.
WOW! That's quite a resume for a politician his age. I'm impressed. I wish we had this kind of politicians in my country. But Tender, is he really considering running for the leadership or is it just media speculation?

True.

I might actually consider voting for a Kurz-ÖVP (the first time in my life that I vote ÖVP) and abandon the Greens for once because of his achievements and spine that he's shown recently.

A Kurz-led ÖVP IMO is the best way to cripple the FPÖ, because many of the FPÖ's potential protest voters are only soft-core and could easily switch over to Kurz (as would many centrist Greens and NEOS-voters).

On the other hand, if he becomes ÖVP-leader he'd immediately face heavy attacks not only from the FPÖ but also the SPÖ and the NEOS.

Therefore, the timing as to when he becomes ÖVP-leader would be important too.

Anyway, the media is spinning a lot but Kurz has repeatedly said he's "not thinking about becoming party leader right now".

It will really depend what the ÖVP's sections and influential leaders will have to say over the next months, or if the Mitterlehner-ÖVP will get something done in the next months ...
Yeap... In politics timing is everything. Maybe he needs the current OVP leader to be "cooked on low heat" and if by the beginning of next year the party smells power with him at the helm, it's time for him to step foward.  
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« Reply #69 on: January 03, 2017, 01:39:33 PM »

That's interesting. Sebastian Kurz is very young, he's only 30. Why is he so popular and poised to win the general election if he's elected OVP leader? Does his views about European immigrants have a big influence?

Aside from being very young and dynamic, he's also seen as a "doer" among Austrian voters and not a "talker" - like most other politicians are seen.

* He led the European initiative to close the Balkan route to migrants streaming in (something even Merkel had to acknowledge later on was a success and beneficial to Germany).

* He takes a tough stance against Turkish dictator Erdogan and Turkish agitation of pro-Erdogan supporters in Austria, calling on them "to fly home" if they refuse to integrate here.

* He called to end Turkish EU-membership talks, if dictator Erdogan refuses to uphold human rights by waging war against the Kurds, jailing political opponents and the introduction of the death penalty.

* He has led the way to an updated Austrian Islam Law, which cracks down hard on extremist Muslim interference in Austria from abroad (such as Saudi Arabia), which bans foreign funding of mosques and imams and mandates German to be spoken in Austrian mosques. The updated law btw also has several points strengthening Muslims and their faith such as the rights to halal food and pastoral care in the military.

* He has outlined a 50-point plan to better integrate migrants into Austrian society and workforce.

* He hosted US-Russian etc. peace talks about Syria in Vienna.

 * He is currently in the Donbass region of Ukraine as head of the OSCE to mediate between Russia and the Ukraine, which Austria took over on January 1.

* He advocates cutting any development aid for countries that are not willing to sign deportation treaties for rejected Austrian asylum seekers, such as Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, Afghanistan etc. - countries that are considered mostly safe by now.

And so on ...

That's why he has 70% favorable/job approval numbers and is miles ahead of other politicians in these rankings.
WOW! That's quite a resume for a politician his age. I'm impressed. I wish we had this kind of politicians in my country. But Tender, is he really considering running for the leadership or is it just media speculation?

True.

I might actually consider voting for a Kurz-ÖVP (the first time in my life that I vote ÖVP) and abandon the Greens for once because of his achievements and spine that he's shown recently.

A Kurz-led ÖVP IMO is the best way to cripple the FPÖ, because many of the FPÖ's potential protest voters are only soft-core and could easily switch over to Kurz (as would many centrist Greens and NEOS-voters).

On the other hand, if he becomes ÖVP-leader he'd immediately face heavy attacks not only from the FPÖ but also the SPÖ and the NEOS.

Therefore, the timing as to when he becomes ÖVP-leader would be important too.

Anyway, the media is spinning a lot but Kurz has repeatedly said he's "not thinking about becoming party leader right now".

It will really depend what the ÖVP's sections and influential leaders will have to say over the next months, or if the Mitterlehner-ÖVP will get something done in the next months ...
Yeap... In politics timing is everything. Maybe he needs the current OVP leader to be "cooked on low heat" and if by the beginning of next year the party smeals power with him at the helm, it's time for him to step foward. 

Yeah, currently Kurz is teflon anyway when it comes to attacks from the SPÖ or the FPÖ (or even the pro-Mitterlehner people within the ÖVP).

Kurz can use the year 2017 to get an even better profile and resume and then take over as party leader in the spring of 2018, just a few months before the federal elections. In the spring of 2018, there are also a couple of state elections (in Lower Austria, Tyrol, Salzburg and Carinthia). If he campaigns there and the ÖVP gets good results (which is pretty likely considering current polls), his position would be strengthened even further.

Also, stuff like this helps:

Kurz is currently in Mariupol, Ukraine as head of the OSCE, which Austria took over on Jan. 1 and the media calls the visit

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« Reply #70 on: January 04, 2017, 12:33:59 PM »

strange game.......kurz is against the russia sanctions but seemingly wants to support ukraine.....
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« Reply #71 on: January 05, 2017, 04:39:18 AM »

strange game.......kurz is against the russia sanctions but seemingly wants to support ukraine.....

How is that strange ?

Kurz assumed the OSCE leadership for 2017 from January 1.

"We need to build confidence in Europe again and move away from a system of punishment to a system of incentive," Kurz said in an interview with Germany's Der Spiegel magazine.

Since the outbreak of the crisis in Ukraine in 2014, a "bloc thinking" harking back to the Cold War has returned to Europe, Kurz said, adding "a trend reversal" in regard to Russia is required.

"We should relax the sanctions gradually, for any positive developments to happen on the ground," he told Der Spiegel, adding that he would use Austria's new chairmanship in Europe as an opportunity to push for such changes.

Austria is "a small but neutral country, which has geographically always been a bridge between the East and the West... We have to look for a dialogue with Russia, as there can never be peace on our continent without it," Kurz said.
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« Reply #72 on: January 05, 2017, 11:09:36 AM »

which initiative should moscow have to give us anything on the table of diplomacy, if we plan to cut the santions anyway?

seems like a hollow gesture.
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« Reply #73 on: January 05, 2017, 03:45:06 PM »

Tbf I support Ukraine, but oppose sanctions. The sanctions just hurt ordinary Russians and inflame nationalism even further - like most sanctions for that matter.
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« Reply #74 on: January 08, 2017, 10:14:30 AM »

ÖVP-leader Reinhold Mitterlehner's daughter recently died because of cancer ... Sad

http://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/politik/Mitterlehners-Schicksalsschlag-Tochter-starb-an-Krebs/264788487
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