OH, PA, MI +WI are finished because of globalization.Presidents can't solve it

[User157088589849]

Economies in Ohio, Wisconsin Pennslyvania and Michigan have no future in this globalized world.

Trump can't do anything about globalization. You can't stop a capitalist system of paying someone $1 a day in some factory in Vietnam than a $10 an hour in Kentucky. It just doesn't make any economic sense.

Nestle recently announced that it was reducing sugar by 40% in its products because people are choosing what they eat. All around the world, recycling plants are being built, companies are being encouraged to produce less packaging and companies are heavily investing in CSR programs. The banking sector has fuelled car ownership, home ownership and many business start ups but this is all through globalization. The home someone buys is likely from a global company. In every company there are tax directors, chief accounting officers, chief risk officers , head of internal audit, chief sales officer, supply chain, planning, company secretary, head of legal that are all working in this globalized world to produce results for a shareholder and profit. Everywhere you look in America there are companies that live and breath this globalized system. 

The consequence is simple; educated talent is leaving rural rundown western economies for the big cities with job opportunities.

The jobs and salaries will never come back to Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and Pennslyvania.

Trump can't do anything about globalization

[jamestroll]

I am 100% sure that there will be jobs in all those above mentioned states in the future.

But your post does point out the dysfunction on their economy. A recession, even a mild one, is likely within the next four years. Of course the rust belt will be hit hard, than in the next election they will all vote solidly Democratic.

No party has the ability to solve it. They will basically  just have weak economies until climate change makes their areas attractive.

[Gass3268]

To be fair, there are many places in theses states that are doing very well (Ann Arbor, Columbus, Madison, Philadelphia, etc.). 73% of all job growth in Wisconsin in the past decade was in Madison.

[Nyvin]

The same can be said of Kentucky and West Virginia, although for slightly different reasons maybe.

Ironically the areas in the state that are improving (Madison, Pittsburgh, Philly, Columbus, Ann Arbor, Grand Rapids) are all areas that trended Democratic.

[Sumner 1868]

Trump can't do anything about globalization

Sure he can, it's just he has to abandon the free market but won't.

[DrScholl]

Truth is inconvenient. If you refuse to adapt to changing economic conditions, you aren't going to make it. Those waiting for manufacturing jobs to return need to instead go to school and train to enter markets that are actually growing, like technology. Even training in transcription, nursing or any of those other fields that those school who advertise on television specialize in is preferable than sitting around waiting for a revival of long gone industries. 

[Wiz in Wis]

Sheesh, tough crowd... you flip (atlas) blue by less than .5% and now you're "Finished"

[White Trash]

Trump can't do anything about globalization

Autarky.

[BuckeyeNut]

To be fair, there are many places in theses states that are doing very well (Ann Arbor, Columbus, Madison, Philadelphia, etc.). 73% of all job growth in Wisconsin in the past decade was in Madison.

Columbus has, interestingly, had consistent growth in manufacturing since 2000 or so.

[GlobeSoc]

Yes, I actually expect the current 8-year presidents streak to end and not be restored for a fairly long time from these 4 swing states voting as an anti-incumbent block for the next 3-4 elections because of the perma-bad economy in the rural areas.

[LLR]

The same can be said of Kentucky and West Virginia, although for slightly different reasons maybe.

Ironically the areas in the state that are improving (Madison, Pittsburgh, Philly, Columbus, Ann Arbor, Grand Rapids) are all areas that trended Democratic.

Not ironic at all - if your life and the lives of those around you improved, you're more likely to approve of the incumbent president

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

I am 100% sure that there will be jobs in all those above mentioned states in the future.

But your post does point out the dysfunction on their economy. A recession, even a mild one, is likely within the next four years. Of course the rust belt will be hit hard, than in the next election they will all vote solidly Democratic.

No party has the ability to solve it. They will basically  just have weak economies until climate change makes their areas attractive.

Not 100% of people will be unemployed. Stay the course!

But seriously, we're going to need massive socialism as large amounts of jobs are offshored or automated and all the money keeps going to the rich.

[jamestroll]

I am 100% sure that there will be jobs in all those above mentioned states in the future.

But your post does point out the dysfunction on their economy. A recession, even a mild one, is likely within the next four years. Of course the rust belt will be hit hard, than in the next election they will all vote solidly Democratic.

No party has the ability to solve it. They will basically  just have weak economies until climate change makes their areas attractive.

Not 100% of people will be unemployed. Stay the course!

But seriously, we're going to need massive socialism as large amounts of jobs are offshored or automated and all the money keeps going to the rich.

Job losses due to technology are vastly over stated.. but I do not feel like arguing right now.

[TJ in Oregon]

Political inevitabilities are only inevitable until they aren't. Don't start a campaign by writing people off.

[Hammy]

Sheesh, tough crowd... you flip (atlas) blue by less than .5% and now you're "Finished"

The post seems to refer to the economies (specifically manufacturing) rather than how the states vote relative to any specific party.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

I am 100% sure that there will be jobs in all those above mentioned states in the future.

But your post does point out the dysfunction on their economy. A recession, even a mild one, is likely within the next four years. Of course the rust belt will be hit hard, than in the next election they will all vote solidly Democratic.

No party has the ability to solve it. They will basically  just have weak economies until climate change makes their areas attractive.

Not 100% of people will be unemployed. Stay the course!

But seriously, we're going to need massive socialism as large amounts of jobs are offshored or automated and all the money keeps going to the rich.

What if David Ricardo was right and in the very long run, wages for (relatively) unskilled labor inevitably decline until they are exactly equal to the cost of subsistence for a family of 4?  What happens politically then?

You really think they'll stop exactly there?

[BlueSwan]

Current unemployment rates in those states:

PA: 5,7%
OH: 4,8%
MI: 4,6%
WI: 4,1%

These are not high unemployment rates at all. Almost every European country would be jealous of those rates and all but PA are lower than for the US as a whole.

[Reaganfan]

Current unemployment rates in those states:

PA: 5,7%
OH: 4,8%
MI: 4,6%
WI: 4,1%

These are not high unemployment rates at all. Almost every European country would be jealous of those rates and all but PA are lower than for the US as a whole.

I don't think it has as much to do with the actual lack of employment, I believe it has more to do with that fact that we here in a place like Ohio are making money but the cost of living has far exceeded the cost of wages. So you have people working full-time still having to decide whether or not to pay their rent or their insurance. People having to decide whether they can buy groceries this week or wait another week because they need to get gas money.

It's expenses that are the problem.

[Nyvin]

Current unemployment rates in those states:

PA: 5,7%
OH: 4,8%
MI: 4,6%
WI: 4,1%

These are not high unemployment rates at all. Almost every European country would be jealous of those rates and all but PA are lower than for the US as a whole.

I don't think it has as much to do with the actual lack of employment, I believe it has more to do with that fact that we here in a place like Ohio are making money but the cost of living has far exceeded the cost of wages. So you have people working full-time still having to decide whether or not to pay their rent or their insurance. People having to decide whether they can buy groceries this week or wait another week because they need to get gas money.

It's expenses that are the problem.

So if unemployment is so "low" and expenses are so "high" WTF is the problem with raising the minimum wage???

[Trapsy]

I mean we're a couple decades away from mass unemployment.

[BoAtlantis]

The massive shifts to red also included MN, ND, SD, NH, and ME, some of which are doing well.

As Nate Silver said, income didn't matter as much this year when controlling for other factors so financial situation is at best an incomplete explanation. It was education more than anything.

Perhaps non-college whites are disproportionately likely to believe illegals will be competing against jobs that don't require college education. I think it's psychology more than anything. Sometimes, when you're financially doing well, you still don't feel happy and find ways to feel negative.

Non-college whites have been fleeing Dems since 2008. Hillary, as flawed as she was, was also largely a victim of bad timing.

I'm honestly disappointed that blue wall has crumbled and I don't know if Dems will ever be able to convince them back. Midwest is a region that's hardly gaining population.

Some Dems seem to be flocking to the South, a region Clinton outperformed Obama but AZ, GA, and TX type of states won't turn purple any time soon. Geographies are failing them right now.

[Nyvin]

The massive shifts to red also included MN, ND, SD, NH, and ME, some of which are doing well.

As Nate Silver said, income didn't matter as much this year when controlling for other factors so financial situation is at best an incomplete explanation. It was education more than anything.

Perhaps non-college whites are disproportionately likely to believe illegals will be competing against jobs that don't require college education. I think it's psychology more than anything. Sometimes, when you're financially doing well, you still don't feel happy and find ways to feel negative.

Non-college whites have been fleeing Dems since 2008. Hillary, as flawed as she was, was also largely a victim of bad timing.

I'm honestly disappointed that blue wall has crumbled and I don't know if Dems will ever be able to convince them back. Midwest is a region that's hardly gaining population.

Some Dems seem to be flocking to the South, a region Clinton outperformed Obama but AZ, GA, and TX type of states won't turn purple any time soon. Geographies are failing them right now.

AZ is practically already purple.   I really disagree on GA and TX as well.   I think the 2016 election sets up where the Democrats go in 2020, and it's definitely south and west.

[BoAtlantis]

The massive shifts to red also included MN, ND, SD, NH, and ME, some of which are doing well.

As Nate Silver said, income didn't matter as much this year when controlling for other factors so financial situation is at best an incomplete explanation. It was education more than anything.

Perhaps non-college whites are disproportionately likely to believe illegals will be competing against jobs that don't require college education. I think it's psychology more than anything. Sometimes, when you're financially doing well, you still don't feel happy and find ways to feel negative.

Non-college whites have been fleeing Dems since 2008. Hillary, as flawed as she was, was also largely a victim of bad timing.

I'm honestly disappointed that blue wall has crumbled and I don't know if Dems will ever be able to convince them back. Midwest is a region that's hardly gaining population.

Some Dems seem to be flocking to the South, a region Clinton outperformed Obama but AZ, GA, and TX type of states won't turn purple any time soon. Geographies are failing them right now.

AZ is practically already purple.   I really disagree on GA and TX as well.   I think the 2016 election sets up where the Democrats go in 2020, and it's definitely south and west.

According to TX exit poll, 18-24 year old went 58-32% for her.
In GA, 18-24 year old went 65-29% for her.

So Dems are on the right track. I don't know if that'll be enough to be competitive in 2020 or even 2024.

[Intell]

You can fix globalisation, you need to have government build a strong manufacturing base, nationalised by the government, with a protectionist trade policy. You also have to have strong unions to have service jobs be good working class jobs, with strong unions this can be done, as was the case before with manufacturing jobs. Trump will do jack shyte and fyck these workers even more with his cabinet.

[White Trash]

You can fix globalisation, you need to have government build a strong manufacturing base, nationalised by the government, with a protectionist trade policy. You also have to have strong unions to have service jobs be good working class jobs, with strong unions this can be done, as was the case before with manufacturing jobs. Trump will do jack shyte and fyck these workers even more with his cabinet.

This. We need to stop pretending that anything is inevitable. We need to keep fighting.