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« on: December 12, 2016, 05:07:47 PM »

How can the G.O.P win over the black vote?
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« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2016, 07:28:20 PM »

By stopping the race whistles and reaching across the table, but that's too extreme for today's polarized America.
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« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2016, 08:25:08 PM »

Rubio won this majority-black precinct. 

http://www.rubio.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2016/5/video-rubio-shames-slumlords-at-hud-apartments-in-jacksonville-calls-for-criminal-investigation
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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2016, 08:29:29 PM »

Literally none.
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« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2016, 08:38:07 PM »

Wait for the next realignment.
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« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2016, 09:20:29 PM »

Address their needs. Try to reduce unemployment. Implement a good education policy. Vouchers for school choice can help children get better education by getting out of failing schools.
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« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2016, 10:20:39 PM »


This. In addition, after the last generation of southerners who grew up in segregation dies off, I could see Blacks voting more like Hispanics do today.
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« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2016, 10:47:14 PM »

None. But the GOP have been effective in rendering them an irrelevance as far as statewide and national elections are concerned.
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« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2016, 01:00:02 AM »

How will Democrats win the Mormon vote (people like the Atlas 3, Harry Reid, the Udall clan...we're far rarer than finds than the Tim Scotts and Allen Wests)?

Figure that one out.

Address their needs. Try to reduce unemployment. Implement a good education policy. Vouchers for school choice can help children get better education by getting out of failing schools.


Unemployment reduction ain't so simple and the only surefire way is by public works and services, a good education policy requires GOOD funding, not so-so funding and certainly not a bunch of random slashes and cuts, and vouchers cost way too much on the wrong side.

As long as "small government" and "the 'free' market" reigns supreme, none of these solutions will be tried on ANY side besides the Democratic side.

Now if they can Charles Matthias and Jacob Javits' corpses, mass produce those, and replace all the current officials on any branch of government, that might do things.

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« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2016, 01:08:26 AM »

How can the G.O.P win over the black vote?

Win them outright, or win over just enough so as to ensure their dominance in states with large black minority populations like Mississippi for decades to come as conservative whites are replaced by their more liberal offspring? 
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« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2016, 10:14:08 PM »

The goal is not to win the Black Vote but start to cut the Dems margins slightly with the Black Vote with each passing Presidential Election.
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« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2016, 10:19:32 PM »
« Edited: December 18, 2016, 10:25:15 PM by hopper »

None. But the GOP have been effective in rendering them an irrelevance as far as statewide and national elections are concerned.
Yeah but the Black Population is mainly in "The South" and "The North". The Black Population doesn't spread itself out into the Western Half of the US except for maybe Missouri, Texas, and Nevada.
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« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2016, 10:22:51 PM »

How will Democrats win the Mormon vote (people like the Atlas 3, Harry Reid, the Udall clan...we're far rarer than finds than the Tim Scotts and Allen Wests)?

Figure that one out.

Address their needs. Try to reduce unemployment. Implement a good education policy. Vouchers for school choice can help children get better education by getting out of failing schools.


Unemployment reduction ain't so simple and the only surefire way is by public works and services, a good education policy requires GOOD funding, not so-so funding and certainly not a bunch of random slashes and cuts, and vouchers cost way too much on the wrong side.

As long as "small government" and "the 'free' market" reigns supreme, none of these solutions will be tried on ANY side besides the Democratic side.

Now if they can Charles Matthias and Jacob Javits' corpses, mass produce those, and replace all the current officials on any branch of government, that might do things.


I read on Wikipedia in one of Matthias's US Senate Election's that he won the city of Baltimore. I was kinda shocked reading that.
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« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2016, 12:32:49 PM »

How can Democrats win over the Southern white evangelical vote?
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« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2016, 01:20:45 PM »

Quit with the restrictions on voters and voter ID laws. Move towards infusing inner cities with a focused infrastructure and education program that actually lifts blacks out of poverty and towards the middle class and isn't structured as a welfare program. Do programs that allow them to go to college without being burdened by student loan debt (structure it something like the GI bill - serve your community/the armed forces for a few years and get a free college education).

Encourage community development and maintain strong links to the African American community. Work through churches and social organizations (and fund these organizations!) to help the community.

Slowly, over time, the black vote will go from 95% D to 85% D to 75% ... and so on.

Will the GOP do this? No. Why? They're the stupid party, that's why.
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« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2016, 02:25:09 AM »

Creating a party that unites southern whites with black voters under one big tent is impossible, and will be that way for the foreseeable future.
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« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2016, 12:33:17 PM »

No Republican has won the Black vote since Herbert Hoover.  Eisenhower ran after supporting Brown v. Board and sending troops to desegregate Little Rock against a Democrat who picked a segregationist as his runningmate, and while winning in an absolute landslide (in which his only losses were in the still-White-only Deep South) he STILL lost the Black vote.  As long as Democrats can make an even semi-coherent argument that Democratic economic policies are better for the majority of Blacks, they will win the Black vote.  GOP dog whistles pad the margins, they're not the reason for Democratic loyalty.

Heck, most scholars think Woodrow Wilson won or came close to winning the Black vote.
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« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2016, 12:39:05 PM »

Creating a party that unites southern whites with black voters under one big tent is impossible, and will be that way for the foreseeable future.

This is pretty accurate.   
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« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2016, 12:47:17 PM »

Quit with the restrictions on voters and voter ID laws. Move towards infusing inner cities with a focused infrastructure and education program that actually lifts blacks out of poverty and towards the middle class and isn't structured as a welfare program. Do programs that allow them to go to college without being burdened by student loan debt (structure it something like the GI bill - serve your community/the armed forces for a few years and get a free college education).

Encourage community development and maintain strong links to the African American community. Work through churches and social organizations (and fund these organizations!) to help the community.

Slowly, over time, the black vote will go from 95% D to 85% D to 75% ... and so on.

Will the GOP do this? No. Why? They're the stupid party, that's why.

True, there are hardly any stupid Democratic voters out there.
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« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2016, 01:37:39 PM »

Creating a party that unites southern whites with black voters under one big tent is impossible, and will be that way for the foreseeable future.

This is pretty accurate.   
You'd be surprised on how much Southern whites and Blacks have in common politically. For example, protestant Christianity plays a huge role in both communities and you'd be dead wrong if you think that those churches don't preach the same social values. Those folks read the same Bible and often take the same messages and values from it. Both demographics have high rates of religiosity and church attendance, and Southern blacks are often just as opposed to abortion and gay marriage as Southern whites.

Beyond religion, the two demographics are tied in their history of poverty. The South isn't nearly as segregated as it used to be, and there are plenty of biracial, poor rural areas across the South. These folks use the same EBT programs, get paid the same welfare checks, and go to the same public schools. Northern liberals have this view of the South like we never got out Jim Crow, but that's just ignorant shows a lack of understanding of basic cultural and historical knowledge. Blacks and Whites in the South have a hell of a lot more in common than both sides would care to admit. And to think that they can't be joined together in a political coalition is ridiculous. It's already been done before, Blacks and Southern whites were the backbone of the New Deal Coalition. And it can be done again.
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« Reply #20 on: December 22, 2016, 03:32:49 PM »

Talk about criminal justice reform, reduce unemployment, better educational choices, and ending the war on drugs. If massive criminal justice reform happened and the war on drugs was ended, it would be like ending jim crow again imo
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« Reply #21 on: December 22, 2016, 05:29:30 PM »

Quit with the restrictions on voters and voter ID laws. Move towards infusing inner cities with a focused infrastructure and education program that actually lifts blacks out of poverty and towards the middle class and isn't structured as a welfare program. Do programs that allow them to go to college without being burdened by student loan debt (structure it something like the GI bill - serve your community/the armed forces for a few years and get a free college education).

Encourage community development and maintain strong links to the African American community. Work through churches and social organizations (and fund these organizations!) to help the community.

Slowly, over time, the black vote will go from 95% D to 85% D to 75% ... and so on.

Will the GOP do this? No. Why? They're the stupid party, that's why.

True, there are hardly any stupid Democratic voters out there.

I'm referring to Red State's categorization of the GOP. But yeah, I can't give the Democrats much credit these days for intelligent decisions, given who they lost to. Either the base or the elite. But it's not like the GOP is an amazing intellectual institution.
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« Reply #22 on: December 22, 2016, 06:14:48 PM »

Quit with the restrictions on voters and voter ID laws. Move towards infusing inner cities with a focused infrastructure and education program that actually lifts blacks out of poverty and towards the middle class and isn't structured as a welfare program. Do programs that allow them to go to college without being burdened by student loan debt (structure it something like the GI bill - serve your community/the armed forces for a few years and get a free college education).

Encourage community development and maintain strong links to the African American community. Work through churches and social organizations (and fund these organizations!) to help the community.

Slowly, over time, the black vote will go from 95% D to 85% D to 75% ... and so on.

Will the GOP do this? No. Why? They're the stupid party, that's why.

True, there are hardly any stupid Democratic voters out there.

I'm referring to Red State's categorization of the GOP. But yeah, I can't give the Democrats much credit these days for intelligent decisions, given who they lost to. Either the base or the elite. But it's not like the GOP is an amazing intellectual institution.

Never said it was.  I just think categorizing parties as "the stupid party" or "the smart party" is ... well, stupid.  You pick which party you think is the best vehicle for your views to gain traction, and you deal with the other members the best you can.  Anyone who's totally happy with all of their party's views and all of the people in it is delusional in the first place.
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« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2016, 08:25:54 PM »

Quit with the restrictions on voters and voter ID laws. Move towards infusing inner cities with a focused infrastructure and education program that actually lifts blacks out of poverty and towards the middle class and isn't structured as a welfare program. Do programs that allow them to go to college without being burdened by student loan debt (structure it something like the GI bill - serve your community/the armed forces for a few years and get a free college education).

Encourage community development and maintain strong links to the African American community. Work through churches and social organizations (and fund these organizations!) to help the community.

Slowly, over time, the black vote will go from 95% D to 85% D to 75% ... and so on.

Will the GOP do this? No. Why? They're the stupid party, that's why.

True, there are hardly any stupid Democratic voters out there.

I'm referring to Red State's categorization of the GOP. But yeah, I can't give the Democrats much credit these days for intelligent decisions, given who they lost to. Either the base or the elite. But it's not like the GOP is an amazing intellectual institution.

Never said it was.  I just think categorizing parties as "the stupid party" or "the smart party" is ... well, stupid.  You pick which party you think is the best vehicle for your views to gain traction, and you deal with the other members the best you can.  Anyone who's totally happy with all of their party's views and all of the people in it is delusional in the first place.

I agree, that's one of the many unfortunate limitations of the two party system.
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« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2016, 11:39:21 PM »

Quit with the restrictions on voters and voter ID laws. Move towards infusing inner cities with a focused infrastructure and education program that actually lifts blacks out of poverty and towards the middle class and isn't structured as a welfare program. Do programs that allow them to go to college without being burdened by student loan debt (structure it something like the GI bill - serve your community/the armed forces for a few years and get a free college education).

Encourage community development and maintain strong links to the African American community. Work through churches and social organizations (and fund these organizations!) to help the community.

Slowly, over time, the black vote will go from 95% D to 85% D to 75% ... and so on.

Will the GOP do this? No. Why? They're the stupid party, that's why.

True, there are hardly any stupid Democratic voters out there.

I'm referring to Red State's categorization of the GOP. But yeah, I can't give the Democrats much credit these days for intelligent decisions, given who they lost to. Either the base or the elite. But it's not like the GOP is an amazing intellectual institution.

Never said it was.  I just think categorizing parties as "the stupid party" or "the smart party" is ... well, stupid.  You pick which party you think is the best vehicle for your views to gain traction, and you deal with the other members the best you can.  Anyone who's totally happy with all of their party's views and all of the people in it is delusional in the first place.

I think you're missing my point. My point was that while derisively referring to the GOP as the 'stupid party' as Red State is wont to do, I was mocking the GOP's inability to take pragmatic steps to court a pool of minority voters that will be probably be helpful to make inroads in the future.

The GOP is locked in by its Southern white and Midwestern white voting bloc from significant minority outreach in a sense. Which when you couple with the fact at least 35% of whites will vote Democratic, no matter what, equates to the GOP being handicapped in appealing to the minority vote bloc. (77% voted Clinton compared to 58% of whites for Trump).
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