MT-AL: Rob Quist (D) vs. Greg Gianforte (R) vs. Mark Wicks (L), May 25

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

Quist should run again in 2018.

I'm guessing you are a republican.

[Matty]

HOW IS QUIST DOING IN ED VOTE?

[Maxwell]

I should've stuck with my original prediction - a solid Gianforte win.

[Shadows]

We can win these voters for sure (here's me being optimistic), but it'll take 3rd way Clintonite centrists like Jim Justice, John Bel Edwards, and Joe Manchin, not far-left purity troll-endorsed candidates who are foisted on the party by the likes of ssuperflash and jfern.

Ah, yes, let's just keep doing the exact same thing we did in 2016. That worked out really well.

Suburban whites across the board are more liberal then rural whites, since a good portion of them are college educated.

If you want to win over rural voters, you are going to have to shift to the right on both economics and  social issues and I know that is something you don't want to do.

You really think Democrats couldn't successfully appeal to rural voters stricken by massive economic anxiety with policies that involved broad wealth redistribution?

History says no.

Just look at the type of Democrats who had any kind of success in those regions. Some on the left don't want to hear it, but left-wing economics isn't some silver bullet that will win over these type of voters.

You have made comments showing very little intellect & continue to make false statements (like Trump) & acting like a political hack.

The Democratic party under FDR & Truman were wild left on economics & won rural white voters & voters everywhere in huge margins. No1 could touch FDR who is considered one of the greatest POTUS' in history.

There is absolutely no statistical or empirical evidence to say rural whites are economically very conservative in which case Rand Paul or Ted Cruz would be the nominee & not Trump. Obama, the so-called Kenya born Muslim socialist communist won the rural votes in Iowa.

As we type, Quist is going to lost by 7% odd, much better than Hillary's 21% margin. KS-04 went from 30% to 6% loss, a massive boost for the Democrats - Both ran as unabashed liberals. Jason Kander who ran a pretty liberal candidacy ran 15-16% points ahead of Hillary or so.

Bernie Sanders was running 10% ahead of Hillary in all polls after a gruelling primary campaign. So you can keep making generalized statements which are completely political hackery & have no business with reality.

[Adam Griffin]

[MT Treasurer]

Who else has a feeling that Tester will lose in 2018?

I would rate it a Tossup for now, but yes, he is very vulnerable.

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

I think we are going to lose this country to the GOP as well as the alt-right, oh well, we tried... let's just call it a day, they won.

[Dr. MB]

Gianforte's just another corporate hack and will fit right in with his new colleagues.

[Kamala]

We can win these voters for sure (here's me being optimistic), but it'll take 3rd way Clintonite centrists like Jim Justice, John Bel Edwards, and Joe Manchin, not far-left purity troll-endorsed candidates who are foisted on the party by the likes of ssuperflash and jfern.

Ah, yes, let's just keep doing the exact same thing we did in 2016. That worked out really well.

Suburban whites across the board are more liberal then rural whites, since a good portion of them are college educated.

If you want to win over rural voters, you are going to have to shift to the right on both economics and  social issues and I know that is something you don't want to do.

You really think Democrats couldn't successfully appeal to rural voters stricken by massive economic anxiety with policies that involved broad wealth redistribution?

History says no.

Just look at the type of Democrats who had any kind of success in those regions. Some on the left don't want to hear it, but left-wing economics isn't some silver bullet that will win over these type of voters.

You have made comments showing very little intellect & continue to make false statements (like Trump) & acting like a political hack.

The Democratic party under FDR & Truman were wild left on economics & won rural white voters & voters everywhere in huge margins. No1 could touch FDR who is considered one of the greatest POTUS' in history.

There is absolutely no statistical or empirical evidence to say rural whites are economically very conservative in which case Rand Paul or Ted Cruz would be the nominee & not Trump. Obama, the so-called Kenya born Muslim socialist communist won the rural votes in Iowa.

As we type, Quist is going to lost by 7% odd, much better than Hillary's 21% margin. KS-04 went from 30% to 6% loss, a massive boost for the Democrats - Both ran as unabashed liberals. Jason Kander who ran a pretty liberal candidacy ran 15-16% points ahead of Hillary or so.

Bernie Sanders was running 10% ahead of Hillary in all polls after a gruelling primary campaign. So you can keep making generalized statements which are completely political hackery & have no business with reality.

I know Franklin Delano Roosevelt. My great-grandparents voted for Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Bernie Sanders is no Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

[Tender Branson]

Still Gianforte.

By about 3-10%.

Right in the middle ...

[Suburbia]

Quist should run again in 2018.

I'm guessing you are a republican.

I'm an Independent. Gianforte looks like a gaffe machine. I like Quist.

[Beet]

Fellow forum lefties pls stop fighting amongst yourselves and become hardcore misanthropes like me.  Realize that most Americans are terrible

I've known people are terrible since I was a kid. White Americans have been up to now, and even now, better than most people. You guys elected a N_g__ president. How many countries would that happen? Even Sonia Gandhi had to step down in 2004. You haven't seen Chinese people. Their nationalism is off the charts. But I've always known that the masses are not decent, anywhere.

That's why it's always bothered me that for the past 14 years, since Howard Dean's campaign in 2003, you've always had "progressives" -- whether it was Markos or Thomas Frank back in the day, or Sanders more recently -- attack the Democrats for being too moderate and compromising when they should just "stand up for their values." "I'd rather someone who says what they thinks, even if they lose," they always say. If I stood up for my values I'd be crushed. I've known that since I was 13 years old. That's what I think. I think Bill Clinton knew that too, which is why he did what he did. I feel sorry that so many hate him now. The only thing we can hope for is half a loaf of bread and gradual, incremental change.

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

The only thing that could make this night more embarrassing is if Gianforte wins Big Horn county. I doubt he will, but if he does...

[Shadows]

We can win these voters for sure (here's me being optimistic), but it'll take 3rd way Clintonite centrists like Jim Justice, John Bel Edwards, and Joe Manchin, not far-left purity troll-endorsed candidates who are foisted on the party by the likes of ssuperflash and jfern.

Ah, yes, let's just keep doing the exact same thing we did in 2016. That worked out really well.

Suburban whites across the board are more liberal then rural whites, since a good portion of them are college educated.

If you want to win over rural voters, you are going to have to shift to the right on both economics and  social issues and I know that is something you don't want to do.

You really think Democrats couldn't successfully appeal to rural voters stricken by massive economic anxiety with policies that involved broad wealth redistribution?

History says no.

Just look at the type of Democrats who had any kind of success in those regions. Some on the left don't want to hear it, but left-wing economics isn't some silver bullet that will win over these type of voters.

You have made comments showing very little intellect & continue to make false statements (like Trump) & acting like a political hack.

The Democratic party under FDR & Truman were wild left on economics & won rural white voters & voters everywhere in huge margins. No1 could touch FDR who is considered one of the greatest POTUS' in history.

There is absolutely no statistical or empirical evidence to say rural whites are economically very conservative in which case Rand Paul or Ted Cruz would be the nominee & not Trump. Obama, the so-called Kenya born Muslim socialist communist won the rural votes in Iowa.

As we type, Quist is going to lost by 7% odd, much better than Hillary's 21% margin. KS-04 went from 30% to 6% loss, a massive boost for the Democrats - Both ran as unabashed liberals. Jason Kander who ran a pretty liberal candidacy ran 15-16% points ahead of Hillary or so.

Bernie Sanders was running 10% ahead of Hillary in all polls after a gruelling primary campaign. So you can keep making generalized statements which are completely political hackery & have no business with reality.

I know Franklin Delano Roosevelt. My great-grandparents voted for Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Bernie Sanders is no Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

As someone who has does significant amount of research on FDR while studying the great depression (FDR is my favorite politician) & Eleanor Roosevelt (The most remarkable 1st lady & an iconic political figure) a few years ago, Bernie Sanders & FDR are uncanny & strikingly similar in tone, policies, ideology, party conflicts, current political (& somewhat economic climate).

My support for Bernie Sanders is largely due to the fact that he is literally as close to a FDR that one can have. If FDR would have to be re-incarnated, he would probably be born as Sanders today !

[Yank2133]

We can win these voters for sure (here's me being optimistic), but it'll take 3rd way Clintonite centrists like Jim Justice, John Bel Edwards, and Joe Manchin, not far-left purity troll-endorsed candidates who are foisted on the party by the likes of ssuperflash and jfern.

Ah, yes, let's just keep doing the exact same thing we did in 2016. That worked out really well.

Suburban whites across the board are more liberal then rural whites, since a good portion of them are college educated.

If you want to win over rural voters, you are going to have to shift to the right on both economics and  social issues and I know that is something you don't want to do.

You really think Democrats couldn't successfully appeal to rural voters stricken by massive economic anxiety with policies that involved broad wealth redistribution?

History says no.

Just look at the type of Democrats who had any kind of success in those regions. Some on the left don't want to hear it, but left-wing economics isn't some silver bullet that will win over these type of voters.

You have made comments showing very little intellect & continue to make false statements (like Trump) & acting like a political hack.

The Democratic party under FDR & Truman were wild left on economics & won rural white voters & voters everywhere in huge margins. No1 could touch FDR who is considered one of the greatest POTUS' in history.

There is absolutely no statistical or empirical evidence to say rural whites are economically very conservative in which case Rand Paul or Ted Cruz would be the nominee & not Trump. Obama, the so-called Kenya born Muslim socialist communist won the rural votes in Iowa.

As we type, Quist is going to lost by 7% odd, much better than Hillary's 21% margin. KS-04 went from 30% to 6% loss, a massive boost for the Democrats - Both ran as unabashed liberals. Jason Kander who ran a pretty liberal candidacy ran 15-16% points ahead of Hillary or so.

Bernie Sanders was running 10% ahead of Hillary in all polls after a gruelling primary campaign. So you can keep making generalized statements which are completely political hackery & have no business with reality.

Rural whites supported left wing policies when they were the sole benefits of them. FDR had to cut out African Americans when it came to the New Deal to win enough support to get these programs through congress.

There is a reason why these type of voters fled the Democratic party in the mid-1960s, even with Johnson's Great Society being the sequel to the New Deal and it has nothing to do with economics.

[MT Treasurer]

But honestly, the most shocking result has got to be Yellowstone County. Not only did it vote 12 points to the right of the state, but the gap between Yellowstone and Missoula has never been wider than that. Insane.

[Hindsight was 2020]

We can win these voters for sure (here's me being optimistic), but it'll take 3rd way Clintonite centrists like Jim Justice, John Bel Edwards, and Joe Manchin, not far-left purity troll-endorsed candidates who are foisted on the party by the likes of ssuperflash and jfern.

Ah, yes, let's just keep doing the exact same thing we did in 2016. That worked out really well.

Suburban whites across the board are more liberal then rural whites, since a good portion of them are college educated.

If you want to win over rural voters, you are going to have to shift to the right on both economics and  social issues and I know that is something you don't want to do.

You really think Democrats couldn't successfully appeal to rural voters stricken by massive economic anxiety with policies that involved broad wealth redistribution?

History says no.

Just look at the type of Democrats who had any kind of success in those regions. Some on the left don't want to hear it, but left-wing economics isn't some silver bullet that will win over these type of voters.

You have made comments showing very little intellect & continue to make false statements (like Trump) & acting like a political hack.

The Democratic party under FDR & Truman were wild left on economics & won rural white voters & voters everywhere in huge margins. No1 could touch FDR who is considered one of the greatest POTUS' in history.

There is absolutely no statistical or empirical evidence to say rural whites are economically very conservative in which case Rand Paul or Ted Cruz would be the nominee & not Trump. Obama, the so-called Kenya born Muslim socialist communist won the rural votes in Iowa.

As we type, Quist is going to lost by 7% odd, much better than Hillary's 21% margin. KS-04 went from 30% to 6% loss, a massive boost for the Democrats - Both ran as unabashed liberals. Jason Kander who ran a pretty liberal candidacy ran 15-16% points ahead of Hillary or so.

Bernie Sanders was running 10% ahead of Hillary in all polls after a gruelling primary campaign. So you can keep making generalized statements which are completely political hackery & have no business with reality.

But the sad truth is rural voters vote on culture issues before economic issues FDR won so well with economics because he didn't touch civil rights with a 20 foot poll. That is Trump's appeal he makes cultural warrior issues his bread an butter

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

But honestly, the most shocking result has got to be Yellowstone County. Not only did it vote 12 points to the right of the state, but the gap between Yellowstone and Missoula has never been wider than that. Insane.

As soon as I saw those results from Yellowstone, I knew Quist was toast. Even with just 15% in, there was no way to catch up with that.

[AtorBoltox]

Yeah, democrats need to give up on places like this.

[Shadows]

Fellow forum lefties pls stop fighting amongst yourselves and become hardcore misanthropes like me.  Realize that most Americans are terrible

I've known people are terrible since I was a kid. White Americans have been up to now, and even now, better than most people. You guys elected a N_g__ president. How many countries would that happen? Even Sonia Gandhi had to step down in 2004. You haven't seen Chinese people. Their nationalism is off the charts. But I've always known that the masses are not decent, anywhere.

That's why it's always bothered me that for the past 14 years, since Howard Dean's campaign in 2003, you've always had "progressives" -- whether it was Markos or Thomas Frank back in the day, or Sanders more recently -- attack the Democrats for being too moderate and compromising when they should just "stand up for their values." "I'd rather someone who says what they thinks, even if they lose," they always say. If I stood up for my values I'd be crushed. I've known that since I was 13 years old. That's what I think. I think Bill Clinton knew that too, which is why he did what he did. I feel sorry that so many hate him now. The only thing we can hope for is half a loaf of bread and gradual, incremental change.

Bernie Sanders' folks are asking for atleast half a loaf while you are proposing nothing, not even crumbs.

How of this half a loaf - This it total & utter annihilation of the middle class -

[smoltchanov]

I know Franklin Delano Roosevelt. My great-grandparents voted for Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Bernie Sanders is no Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

+100. And there is no Great Depression for almost 4 years NOW, as it was by the time of FDR election. I admire FDR, but US now is not what it was in November 1932.... And after depression was ... well, mitigated by 1937-38, even FDR began to have some problems and to lose some "initial supporters" (in the South, for example, which gradually began to doubt him at least..).

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

Quist did ok, people are looking way too much into this race. I mean a pot smoking hippie with herpes and unpaid medical bills basically lost by 6%

More, and his oponent was pretty weak too. Had it been just an average Joe GOP member, this would have been in the low double digets.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

It was too late in the game to matter. It'll be old news by 2018. I don't see how this endangers Tester, though, at the rate we're going.

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

It was too late in the game to matter. It'll be old news by 2018. I don't see how this endangers Tester, though, at the rate we're going.

Tester was already in a tilt D to tossup scenario. The results from tonight just make me even more nervous as a democrat. I've moved it to pure tossup, and seriously thinking about tilt R.

[Adam Griffin]