North Carolina G.O.P. Moves to Curb Power of New Democratic Governor

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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/14/us/politics/north-carolina-governor-roy-cooper-republicans.html

[Hindsight was 2020]

An people wonder why are politics are so dividing

[Nyvin]

The North Carolina GOP is really starting to resemble a third world dictatorship political party.  

Crush all opposition through any means necessary.  

What's even more horrible is that the map that the state legislature was elected on has been declared by the courts as an illegal gerrymander (the one that gave the GOP their supermajority...), and legislative elections need to be held on a new map in 2017. 

In other words - The Republican Party legislators in NC, which are illegally elected, are taking away power from the new Democratic Governor, who was fairly elected!!

[MT Treasurer]

This isn't uncommon. Democrats are doing this in Illinois as well. Madigan's goal has always been to make sure that Rauner is a one-termer.

[pbrower2a]

Just watch Florida, Michigan, and Wisconsin in 2018.

[Virginiá]

This isn't uncommon. Democrats are doing this in Illinois as well. Madigan's goal has always been to make sure that Rauner is a one-termer.

Are they, though? IL has the gerrymandering aspect as well as the last minute Comptroller power grab thing but that's not really entirely equivalent to what Republicans are proposing here, nor what they have already done so far. Perhaps you should look into the wide scope of what they are trying to do in NC right now and then report back if that's the same as Illinois, taking into account that this is all being done within days, in a special session right before a Democrat takes office. Maybe take into account the changes to the court system they are implementing to prevent a Dem majority from ruling on issues.

I don't doubt that Illinois Democrats play dirty tricks as well but like NC GOP? It really doesn't seem like that. Sometimes the "both parties do it" excuse doesn't really carry water.

[publicunofficial]

This isn't uncommon. Democrats are doing this in Illinois as well. Madigan's goal has always been to make sure that Rauner is a one-termer.

That's not even comparable and you know it.

[Nyvin]

This isn't uncommon. Democrats are doing this in Illinois as well. Madigan's goal has always been to make sure that Rauner is a one-termer.

No! Nothing the IL Dems did to Rauner even remotely compares to something this massive and last minute.   

What legislative changes did the IL Dems put through that were comparable to this?  In the scope of taking away entire sections of the governor's power?

The NC GOP is so fanatically partisan it's downright comical, if not scary.

[JGibson]

This isn't uncommon. Democrats are doing this in Illinois as well. Madigan's goal has always been to make sure that Rauner is a one-termer.

No! Nothing the IL Dems did to Rauner even remotely compares to something this massive and last minute.   

What legislative changes did the IL Dems put through that were comparable to this?  In the scope of taking away entire sections of the governor's power?

The NC GOP is so fanatically partisan it's downright comical, if not scary.

This Illinoisan agrees with this premise.

[Xing]

There's a special place in hell for the NC GOP. I know that I'm a "red avie hack", but I wouldn't say that about any old state GOP (maybe Wisconsin is close to being as bad, but that's about it). This go far beyond a reasonable "check" on a Governor.

[BuckeyeNut]

The good news is, the 2017 special election under newly drawn districts, will displace a lot of Republican state legislators.

[elcorazon]

This isn't uncommon. Democrats are doing this in Illinois as well. Madigan's goal has always been to make sure that Rauner is a one-termer.

If you want to compare IL to someone, it would be the federal government under Obama, where the opposition party held him up at every opportunity. What the NC GOP is doing is dangerous to democracy, maybe more even than what Trump is doing to the country, which is more of a dangerous policymaking than it hits the core of democracy.

[KingSweden]

There's a special place in hell for the NC GOP. I know that I'm a "red avie hack", but I wouldn't say that about any old state GOP (maybe Wisconsin is close to being as bad, but that's about it). This go far beyond a reasonable "check" on a Governor.

Agreed. Many state GOPs run their states pretty well, places like Utah and Tennessee come to mind.

NC most certainly does not

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

While obviously Illinois dems didn't call a special session like this one, in their regular sessions, they haven't been able to do stuff quite like this to Rauner because they had the dilemma of having an exact supermajority in the Illinois house - so if even one democrat didn't show up or didn't vote the right way, their bill was dead. And now they don't have a super-majority at all, so they're out of luck.

[Indy Texas]

So basically the NC GOP is like a deadbeat who stopped paying their mortgage, is having their house foreclosed on and decides to punch holes in the walls, pour cement down all the toilets and take out all the built-in appliances just to make things miserable for the new owners.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

When one party has a voter base of uneducated angry poor people, this is what results.

[Nyvin]

While obviously Illinois dems didn't call a special session like this one, in their regular sessions, they haven't been able to do stuff quite like this to Rauner because they had the dilemma of having an exact supermajority in the Illinois house - so if even one democrat didn't show up or didn't vote the right way, their bill was dead. And now they don't have a super-majority at all, so they're out of luck.

There is/was no proposed legislation on the level of what the NC GOP is doing in Illinois.   It's a complete fabrication to compare the two.

Furthermore it's even more morally repugnant to pass laws like this when the GOP's map has been declared illegal and they need to hold special elections in 2017.

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This isn't uncommon. Democrats are doing this in Illinois as well. Madigan's goal has always been to make sure that Rauner is a one-termer.

This is uncommon in a first world democracy.  It's also pathetic.  But I'm hardly surprised.  When one party has a voter base of uneducated angry poor people, this is what results.

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This isn't uncommon. Democrats are doing this in Illinois as well. Madigan's goal has always been to make sure that Rauner is a one-termer.

This is uncommon in a first world democracy.  It's also pathetic.  But I'm hardly surprised.  When one party has a voter base of uneducated angry poor people, this is what results.

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Another 21 year old who's never had a job trolling for abuses of power.  Great.  You must be a proud American... oh wait.

Lol. Enjoy your increasingly irrelevant party then. You'll sure show those terrible poor people!

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

This state's GOP sucks


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[coloradocowboi]

This isn't uncommon. Democrats are doing this in Illinois as well. Madigan's goal has always been to make sure that Rauner is a one-termer.

This is uncommon in a first world democracy.  It's also pathetic.  But I'm hardly surprised.  When one party has a voter base of uneducated angry poor people, this is what results.

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Another 21 year old who's never had a job trolling for abuses of power.  Great.  You must be a proud American... oh wait.

Lol. Enjoy your increasingly irrelevant party then. You'll sure show those terrible poor people!

I agree with the troll. It's a horrifying thing to say, and evocative of the contempt that makes Democrats unpalatable to what should be their base.

[Young Conservative]

Just watch Florida, Michigan, and Wisconsin in 2018.

Florida's next governor will be a Republican and his name is Adam Putnam

[jamestroll]

That is a huge disgrace. Sheesh.

Okay, think of California's election system now. One of these elections, I could see a R v R or R v Weak Democrat run off. When/if a Republican wins a statewide office that way, are Democrats going to weaken the offices power?

I remember when Utah had a Democratic Attorney General, the legislature aggressively tired to strip power out of the office. Basically limiting to criminal cases. When Terry Goddard was Attorney General of Arizona, Brewer would not allow him to represent the state on SB 1070.

If someone of the minority party wins one of those row offices, just accept it and move on... thats just my opinion.

[smoltchanov]

Obviously - a disgrace and idiocy. And very mean one to boot...

[Nyvin]

So this will probably be remembered as the Republican Party's first step towards trying to impose Tyranny.