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Filuwaúrdjan
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« on: July 16, 2005, 05:09:46 PM »


"You cannot serve both God and Money"
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« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2005, 03:27:41 AM »

It's under capitalism that the Bible became the all-time best-selling book.

No... I think you'll find it was an extremely well known book before then.
And the efforts to get it published in the languages of ordinary people had more to with a Radical political and religious outlook rather than an aim to make money.
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« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2005, 03:43:57 AM »

Wealth is the product of industry, ambition, character, and untiring effort.

Not a Christian attitude at all...

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« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2005, 12:56:26 PM »

Roll Eyes

Your worship of money and wealth is what I was talking about
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« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2005, 01:55:09 PM »

Then you're talking about something non-existent.

No I'm not:

Wealth is the product of industry, ambition, character, and untiring effort.

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« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2005, 02:20:49 PM »

What does that obvious truism I posted have to do with what you're saying now?

Other than it not being true? It reads as if you were drooling when you were writing it...
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« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2005, 02:57:51 PM »

So then contrary to the implication of your earlier post, you do think goods and services just come about on their own.

No... when did I say that?

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No you weren't
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« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2005, 03:17:09 PM »

The wit Philip, the wit. Always after the last word I see.
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« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2005, 05:33:20 AM »

Al, I don't see how this is at all worshipping money, as you assert.

Praising money is worshipping money. You cannot serve both God and Money.

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So? Missing the point of my complaint about what he said entirely.

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Nothing to do with a "philosophy" at all
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« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2005, 06:56:34 AM »

1. He did not say "can be", he said "is"; the impression I got from reading some of his posts in this thread and some other things he's posted about this kinda stuff before, is that he's obsessed with money, wealth and the desire to get more and more and more of it.
He's free to think that, but I'd rather he didn't have the cheek to claim that his money lust is at all consistent with Christian teachings.
2. Wanting and desiring more money is greed. Greed is a sin. Everyone is occasionally or often greedy. Everyone sins. Sin can be forgiven.
Etc.
3. Nope. Has everything to do with my religious beliefs though.
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« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2005, 07:48:51 AM »

but that by no means makes him a money worshipper.

Depends what you mean by worship

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Depends what you mean by "earned rightfully". It isn't greedy to want enough money to live a decent existance or whatever, but to want more money for the sake of making more money, because you want to be rich or whatever, is clearly greedy, even if you think your somehow entitled to it.

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Not really. Whatever personal philosophy I have, comes from and is (as far as I'm concerned) subordinate to my religious beliefs
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« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2005, 01:47:58 PM »

A caste system is not conservative.  Pure Capitalism works based on free and open competition.

Since when did conservatism=capitalism?
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« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2005, 01:52:20 PM »

Conservatism is to capitalism as liberalism is to socialism.

Not really related?
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« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2005, 01:58:36 PM »

Please explain what you mean. I don't think that either has much to do with either.
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« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2005, 02:07:41 PM »

Perhaps, but that's with another word added in front of it. It is certainly possible for something to be conservative but not capitalist.
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« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2005, 02:14:12 PM »

"Economic conservatism" in a very different context
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