If Joe Biden entered the race, who would have won the Democratic nomination?
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« on: December 16, 2016, 11:10:31 PM »

If Joe Biden entered the race, who would have won the Democratic nomination in 2016?
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« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2016, 11:13:41 PM »

My guess is that Joe Biden would've split the votes with Hillary Clinton, as they are both establishment candidates and would easily attract the pro-establishment people of the Democratic Party.

Causing Bernie Sanders to be easily nominated.
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« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2016, 11:17:50 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2016, 11:22:12 PM »
« Edited: December 16, 2016, 11:23:46 PM by UWS »

What if it causes a brokered convention?
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« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2016, 11:24:14 PM »

What if it causes a brokered convention?


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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2016, 11:59:03 PM »

Joe Biden, in a paradoxical situation similar to Kasich's, would, as the most electable of the three, be the least likely to win the primary.

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1) Sanders wins due to coalition/demographic splitting described above (Sanders' supporters less likely to be cannibalized, Biden has little natural constituency and his mostly overlaps with Clinton other than rural WCW protest votes in a few states)

2) Clinton wins because Biden's entrance into the race sucks up an absurd amount of media oxygen
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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2016, 12:56:50 AM »

Depends on when he enters. It would have to be early on, before Bernie became the de facto anti-Clinton choice.
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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2016, 03:04:14 AM »

Bernie Sanders. Joe Biden's positions on TPP, NAFTA, Fracking, Drugs, Iraq war etc was similar to Hillary.

Biden would have taken a huge section of African American votes turning Southern states into 3 way races & allowing Sanders to sweep all other places.

NBC did a poll if Biden entered, what would happen & before even the debate took place (with Sanders contrasting him & Biden), Biden was talking more than 2 times for every 1 vote from Sanders & that would get even worse.
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« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2016, 07:10:33 AM »

Yes, but only if Obama had actively campaigned for him. With the president's help, he could have made it.
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« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2016, 07:25:27 AM »

I now think Biden would have been nominated.

I now think that the black voters that were in the tank for Hillary would have supported Biden in numbers significant enough to make it a race.

I think that the weight of Hillary's e-mail scandals would have given Biden momentum over time.

And I think Biden would have beaten Trump.  This election was not a rejection of Obama; it was a rejection of the Clintons, and of Hillary Clinton in particular.
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« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2016, 01:42:14 PM »

Biden would've had to be willing to attack Clinton for her emails and other character/personal issues since there was little difference between them on policy. That's not his forte. Clinton would've still won the nomination, though it's possible a brokered convention could have occurred.
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« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2016, 12:29:38 AM »

Clinton still wins.
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« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2016, 01:43:29 AM »

Depends on when he enters. It would have to be early on, before Bernie became the de facto anti-Clinton choice.

Bernie was more the pro issues that actually help people than the anti Hillary choice.  Polls showed that Bernie lost very little support to Biden.
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« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2016, 02:19:14 AM »

I think it would have been close enough between all three for nobody now to be able to say with absolute certainty who would have won.

As much as some Bernie supporters don't want to admit, there was a less-than-insignificant coalition of Sanders voters who were simply "anti-Hillary" and were registering their voices as such. You also had people for whom Biden's personality and approach to issues were more in line with what they actually wanted.

And as much as some Hillary supporters don't want to admit, there was a less-than-significant coalition of Clinton voters who were simply kneejerk "pro-establishment" types and/or wanted a simple continuation of the trends because they didn't want anything to change for poorer people that might upset their own unearned prosperity. Biden would have been a much better choice as VP for the past eight years to embody that for them.

Do you think Sanders would have won WV in a three-way matchup? Oklahoma? Michigan? Would Clinton have won Ohio? Pennsylvania? Delaware?

Start adding in a variety of other coalitions - the Rust Belt types who crossed over to vote for Trump that might have otherwise stayed in the Democratic primary and voted for Biden, those who genuinely just didn't want a woman as President, unions in general, establishment types who thought Hillary was a flawed candidate but better than Bernie - and it snowballs really quickly from there.

I think he would have easily drawn enough support to put Sanders in the lead in a vacuum, but he would have pulled enough from Sanders as well to make it either a very close two-way race between Clinton/Sanders where nobody could secure a majority of delegates, or a genuine three-way contest.
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« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2016, 12:15:33 PM »

The big problem for Biden was his late entry; which would have cost him in Iowa and New Hampshire purely from a fundraising/organisational stance.

If he declared in the summer of 2015, and threw himself at running he would have had a shot- his whole 'will I/Won't I' stance for 4-6 weeks actually lowered my opinion of him
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« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2016, 12:43:52 PM »

I think we'd be calling him, Mr. President-Elect right now if he did.
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