Trump: 4 years or 8 years?

[Mr. Smith]

You know who else: Ran as a Washington Outsider, won Wisconsin out of the blue, got slightly less than a majority in the primaries because The West said "oh eff no", faced an opponent expected to be a lock but barely got a majority themselves because they were moderates with one piece of baggage no one forgave and were in Washington too long, surrounded themselves with staff of questionable experience, had misgivings with an ideological House, AND advocated diplomacy with opponents the Neocon wing whined about as being too dangerous?

I'll give you a hint, that guy lost to Reagan the next cycle.

Expect the same of Trump...unless the Democrats nominate a new Dukakis or Kerry.

[Mr. Smith]

I love all these people saying that he'll be a "good" or "successful" President

What's wrong with saying that? There is no guarantee that he'll be a failure as president...

No guarantees for the peanut farmer of Georgia either.

[Mr. Smith]

I love all these people saying that he'll be a "good" or "successful" President

What's wrong with saying that? There is no guarantee that he'll be a failure as president...

Yes there is.

Oh, if you're a very partisan liberal, sure there is.

No guarantees for the peanut farmer of Georgia either.

Why are you so obsessed with these 1976/1980 comparisons?

I've always thought whoever won 2016 was gonna get booted out in 2020, assuming they even made it to 2020 in one piece.

And the way everything lined up was bizarrely reminiscent of three outcomes: 1976 , 1988 , and until Election Night itself 2000 too a much lesser extent.

Since Clinton lost, that rules out 1988/1992.

This leaves the other two outcomes: Pretty obvious which outcome is more desirable for someone with my economic and environmental views.

[Mr. Smith]

ITT: Democrats saying 4 years or less, Republicans saying 8 years.

Shocker.

You think it'd be different the other way around?

Besides cynics such as myself, the bulk of D's here would've insisted Clinton re-elected, while the R's would've insisted otherwise.