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« on: December 18, 2016, 11:20:10 AM »



You are limited to from present day to about 2040ish in the future timewise.
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« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2016, 12:43:01 PM »

Hispanics start voting R, as do educated whites, but non-college-educateds swing to the Democrats?

Look at the percentages. Remember that winning with <50 requires a third party.

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« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2016, 03:44:07 PM »

A pre-1965 Democratic Party beats a Western GOP ticket that was not conservative enough for the Goldwaterite third party.
Hispanics start voting R, as do educated whites, but non-college-educateds swing to the Democrats?
In a few decades. Climate change gets more and more grievous, and a Green Party lead by a popular Senator gains popularity, especially in the West Coast. Republicans, meanwhile, no longer oppose immigration and western Hispanics swing to them. White voters in the midwest and New England are still competitive, with Indiana, ME-2 and NH going Republican, but Democrats win them this time due to the previous administration, which once again left WWC voters angry, being Republican. Black voters remain staunchly Democratic, with white southerners swinging to the Democrats, who start opposing immigration, due to the Republicans embracing immigration.

No, third parties being involved is on the right track, but this is a specific election scenario. Remember that the nominees don't have to be generic D or generic R.
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« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2016, 06:23:54 PM »

The Democrat is somewhere between Joe Manchin and Bernie Sanders style populism.

A somewhat unpopular Republican is in the white house, and has overseen both a boom in the conservative suburbs and the climax of the collapse of rural areas in the south, while the western rural areas are staying afloat. Urban areas have done well, but are culturally maligned from the Republicans.

The Republican nominee is a pro-immigrant socially moderate Latino and is far-right economically.

Latte Liberals, New England moderates, and Clintonite suburbians walk out of the Democratic party behind a socially liberal and fiscally slightly right of center D senator from California, and throw California, New Hampshire, ME-01, and Indiana(The third party candidate carries Indianapolis narrowly) to the GOP.



No, but getting a little warmer.
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« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2016, 06:44:04 PM »

This is a single-issue guess for the sake of getting warmer. I assume that both the Democrats and the Republicans are pro-gun on some level while the third party is the most pro-gun control of the major tickets this election?

Seems pretty correct.
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« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2016, 09:35:51 PM »

A guess on the dem: they're a southern governor.

Probably.
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« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2016, 09:41:46 PM »


I didn't get down to individual states(honestly I should have) but that, Tennessee, or Arkansas would be good bets.
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« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2016, 09:54:08 PM »


I didn't get down to individual states(honestly I should have) but that, Tennessee, or Arkansas would be good bets.


Is the Democrat Happy Chandler or a Happy Chandler expy?

Not sure who that guy is.

Two guesses: The Independent was from California and got 2nd place there.

Not necessarily to both, but the Independent definitely at least got close to 2nd .
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« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2016, 09:57:25 PM »

Notice the many >40% western states.
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« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2016, 10:14:46 PM »

A geographic guess: Compared to now the margin in the BosWash corridor for the Dem is underwhelming, or even only lean D

In certain parts the typical margin has declined (eg CT NJ), but not in others. California's GOP plurality is not an isolated incident.
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« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2016, 10:23:58 PM »

There is massive drought in the west. The Republican nominee supports taking most of the water from the Mississippi, Great Lakes, and Columbia Rivers and diverting it to the drought areas. States that are losing water have a massive backlash.

The Democratic nominee is half white and half black from the south, and manages to win both southern whites and southern blacks.

No.

Notice that the Republican got >40% in TX, NM, AZ, etc. and did not win a majority in those states.
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« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2016, 10:30:08 PM »

More geographic guessing: The independent was strongest in inner-ring suburbs and weakest in small towns.

The independent did best in liberal urban cores and normally democratic suburbs. They did horribly in small towns and rural areas.
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« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2016, 07:33:03 AM »

There is massive drought in the west. The Republican nominee supports taking most of the water from the Mississippi, Great Lakes, and Columbia Rivers and diverting it to the drought areas. States that are losing water have a massive backlash.

The Democratic nominee is half white and half black from the south, and manages to win both southern whites and southern blacks.

No.

Notice that the Republican got >40% in TX, NM, AZ, etc. and did not win a majority in those states.

Are those three states normally more Democratic but enough liberals left the Democratic coalition to abnormally flip those states?

Bingo.
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« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2016, 07:37:05 AM »

Dems have gone Sanders on economic issues while tossing aside cultural issues. GOP has become the party of diversity and business.

No. The national party and the vast majority of state  parties have not vone this way.

You are allowed to give a guess map of what a normal election in this tmeframe is.

A geographic guess: Compared to now the margin in the BosWash corridor for the Dem is underwhelming, or even only lean D

In certain parts the typical margin has declined (eg CT NJ), but not in others. California's GOP plurality is not an isolated incident.

Actually, the guess is somewhat true normally.
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« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2016, 05:35:49 PM »

The Democrat is not supported by some party leaders, who endorsed the independent.



Yes.

The GOP candidate is a Governor or Senator from Indiana.

Probably not. Why do you think that?
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« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2016, 08:54:53 PM »

The concept of the generic D has largely stayed where it is today, except perhaps a touch to the right on economic issues.


Similar, but the concept is noticeably different
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« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2016, 10:17:13 PM »

The concept of the generic D has largely stayed where it is today, except perhaps a touch to the right on economic issues.


Similar, but the concept is noticeably different

I don't understand what this statement means.



The concept of a generic D has probably changed noticibly, but not to the point of being unrecognizable.
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« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2016, 10:31:56 PM »

So is a generic D shifted to the right on economic issues, while sprinting to the left on social issues?

The liberals have a more "establishment" Gillibrand or Gallego feel, but are still quite liberal. Overall, they have shifted left (while de-emphasizing some things like gun control), becoming even more stauchly pro-choice, strongly pro genetic engineering, advocating for a carbon tax, raising minimum wage etc. while not being populist(pro free trade, for example).

I think there's enough info to make some guesses and perhaps construct a generic D vs. generic R map.
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« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2016, 11:31:31 PM »


No. You kind of have the gist of it, but some states need to be flipped and some shadings are noticeably off.
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« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2016, 11:19:21 PM »

The Democrat is socially liberal and fiscally conservative?

No...
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