SB 2016-050 - Come Out Of The Shadows Act (Back to House)
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« Reply #25 on: February 07, 2017, 06:52:26 AM »

I'm still not really sure, but I'll propose this amendment to keep thing moving along.

Section 5: Addressing Root Causes of Illegal Immigration
1. Countries that account for at least 5% of unauthorized migration at the time of introduction of this bill to Atlasia shall be designated as priority recipients for foreign development assistance for the years of 2017-2021, with their status to be reevaluated by the Secretary of State after that time.
2. An additional 100,000 visas shall be created annually for immigrants from the above countries.
3. A "highest bidder" system will be set up so that whichever employer is willing to pay more for each individual visa will be given them. 50,000 will be given for "high-skilled" workers, and the other 50,000 for lower-skilled workers. This will bring in over $1 billion in new revenue.
4. At the discretion of the Secretary of the Interior, the above visas may be reduced by 10% for each 1% that quarterly GDP growth is below 3%.
4.5. Individuals awarded the above "high-skilled" work visas will be admitted to Atlasia as conditional residents and may petition for permanent resident status after their 3-year visa is up.  Likewise, for "low-skilled" workers, they may apply for permanent resident status after their 1-year visa is up.
5.6. An employer is allowed to refuse to renew an employee's work visa (if they do refuse, the employee must be notified at least 6 months before the visa expires), at which point, the employee (and their family) is able to apply for permanent resident status.

That looks much better
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« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2017, 05:37:37 PM »

     What about unemployment rates rather than GDP growth? That seems like it would be more directly related to the numbers of visas that should be issued.
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« Reply #27 on: February 07, 2017, 09:36:37 PM »

     What about unemployment rates rather than GDP growth? That seems like it would be more directly related to the numbers of visas that should be issued.

Yeah, I think unemployment rates makes more sense since it shows how many jobs need to be filled. That's more related since, of course, the reason we're giving out these visas is to fill jobs. If we have a strong economy, it can be since more jobs are occupied, and we need less workers, but we'd still have a high GDP.

Then again, GDP will show whether we can afford to have more people living in our country. I'm still inclined to agree with PiT
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« Reply #28 on: February 08, 2017, 04:15:44 AM »

I agree with PiT, the employment numbers should be used instead since that is the whole point in having it pegged to begin with is concerns about troubled fields to sustain such increases.
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« Reply #29 on: February 08, 2017, 04:32:42 AM »

Maria Cantwell just got done speaking about the need to cooperate with foreign countries to encourage the implementation of "biometric standards" to reduce the thread of people hoping several countries and creating fake ideas and identities before coming to America. That is something I am going to try and encourage as well.
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« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2017, 08:51:58 AM »

Alright, unemployment sounds good.  If someone has an amendment, they can propose it and I'll probably deem it friendly.
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« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2017, 01:21:55 PM »

     Taking Siren's amendment as a basis, how about:

I'm still not really sure, but I'll propose this amendment to keep thing moving along.

Section 5: Addressing Root Causes of Illegal Immigration
1. Countries that account for at least 5% of unauthorized migration at the time of introduction of this bill to Atlasia shall be designated as priority recipients for foreign development assistance for the years of 2017-2021, with their status to be reevaluated by the Secretary of State after that time.
2. An additional 100,000 visas shall be created annually for immigrants from the above countries.
3. A "highest bidder" system will be set up so that whichever employer is willing to pay more for each individual visa will be given them. 50,000 will be given for "high-skilled" workers, and the other 50,000 for lower-skilled workers. This will bring in over $1 billion in new revenue.
4. At the discretion of the Secretary of the Interior, the above visas may be reduced by 10% for each 1% that quarterly GDP growth is below 3% the average yearly unemployment rate is above 5%.
4.5. Individuals awarded the above "high-skilled" work visas will be admitted to Atlasia as conditional residents and may petition for permanent resident status after their 3-year visa is up.  Likewise, for "low-skilled" workers, they may apply for permanent resident status after their 1-year visa is up.
5.6. An employer is allowed to refuse to renew an employee's work visa (if they do refuse, the employee must be notified at least 6 months before the visa expires), at which point, the employee (and their family) is able to apply for permanent resident status.

     The 5% baseline is slightly aggressive, but I would think that it is not unreasonable.
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« Reply #32 on: February 09, 2017, 12:38:33 AM »

Sounds reasonable to me.  Amendment is friendly.
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« Reply #33 on: February 10, 2017, 07:48:14 PM »

I'm happy with the bill as it stands, although I feel that there should be a clause in section 2 that allows people who've lived in the country for more than a certain time (maybe 20 years) to apply for a visa in the same way that people who've lived in the country since before their 18th birthday could.
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« Reply #34 on: February 11, 2017, 06:16:24 PM »

I'm sympathetic to everyone who's living here and wants to become a citizen.  That's why I wrote the bill after all, but I think it makes sense to have some consequences.  That's why the DREAM section exists so that the process is easier for people that were too young to really make any decisions on their own at the time of entry.  Personally, I'm not sure that it would be fair to treat long term undocumented people any differently than shorter term ones, as long as they were old enough to make adult decisions when they came.  So, I would prefer to keep the bill as is.
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« Reply #35 on: February 14, 2017, 04:52:45 AM »

Agreed with Siren. Any more concerns, or should we move forward with this?
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« Reply #36 on: February 14, 2017, 06:17:40 PM »

I'm happy to call a final vote on this, should no-one else have any objections.
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« Reply #37 on: February 15, 2017, 05:29:33 AM »

I am satisfied with the progress on this bill so far.


I look forward to the house ruining it, after all our hard work. Tongue
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« Reply #38 on: February 15, 2017, 01:02:16 PM »

I'm ready.  This is the bill with all our amendments for the record.

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« Reply #39 on: February 19, 2017, 07:38:12 PM »

So are we going to have a vote soon? Smiley
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« Reply #40 on: February 19, 2017, 09:33:50 PM »

So are we going to have a vote soon? Smiley
This. Although I don't know if Congress stops for a period during election time - which may be the hold up.
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« Reply #41 on: February 20, 2017, 11:48:53 PM »

So are we going to have a vote soon? Smiley
This. Although I don't know if Congress stops for a period during election time - which may be the hold up.

Not officially, but I'll use that as an excuse of why I've been slacking off a bit here. Tongue

I'll call for a final vote tomorrow if no one objects.
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« Reply #42 on: February 22, 2017, 12:02:49 AM »

I know open a 48-hour final vote on this bill!
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« Reply #43 on: February 22, 2017, 12:07:47 AM »

AYE
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« Reply #44 on: February 22, 2017, 08:33:55 AM »

I don't know when the change over occurs for the Northern Senate seats, but I'll vote Aye just in case it hasn't happened yet.
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« Reply #45 on: February 22, 2017, 10:04:24 AM »

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« Reply #46 on: February 22, 2017, 02:34:00 PM »

I don't know when the change over occurs for the Northern Senate seats, but I'll vote Aye just in case it hasn't happened yet.

I am fairly certain it would March 03, 2017.

One of the decisions made in July was to provide for a uniform date in which they take office.

Though the date of the election is entirely up to the region.
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« Reply #47 on: February 22, 2017, 04:12:31 PM »

     Abstain
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« Reply #48 on: February 22, 2017, 04:22:14 PM »

I don't know when the change over occurs for the Northern Senate seats, but I'll vote Aye just in case it hasn't happened yet.

I am fairly certain it would March 03, 2017.

One of the decisions made in July was to provide for a uniform date in which they take office.

Though the date of the election is entirely up to the region.

Senator Scott told me that I should swear in immediately upon election, and I have. If that's not correct, then I apologize. If I am sworn in, I vote Aye
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« Reply #49 on: February 22, 2017, 04:27:37 PM »
« Edited: February 22, 2017, 04:33:40 PM by President North Carolina Yankee »

I don't know when the change over occurs for the Northern Senate seats, but I'll vote Aye just in case it hasn't happened yet.

I am fairly certain it would March 03, 2017.

One of the decisions made in July was to provide for a uniform date in which they take office.

Though the date of the election is entirely up to the region.

Senator Scott told me that I should swear in immediately upon election, and I have. If that's not correct, then I apologize. If I am sworn in, I vote Aye

Okay, need to look into this.

Edit: This says those elected in "federal" elections, so Scott is probably right since the Regional Senators are elected and administered by the regions, unless there is another law somewhere I am missing.
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