U.N. Passes Resolution Against Israel Settlements, U.S. Abstains

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

How does a strong/weak Israel strengthen or weaken my Jewish friend who has full tattoo sleeves and is posting about Christmas gifts on Facebook this morning? Don't see how Israel impacts her livelihood in Columbia Heights, MN.

See, when some pissant sociopath on the right or left gains power and decides that she needs to die because of what her genetic code says, the fact that there's a country of pissed-off Jews with nuclear weapons may just make said pissant sociopath think twice.

And that's an actual possibility in the US?

According to a whole lot of people this year, absolutely. And it certainly was in 1996.

I'm skeptical. However, I'm not only concerned about the US. I very much like the same deterrent existing for Europe.

Would be quite hard to use in Europe, I doubt the non-fascist neighbours would like having to deal with nuclear fallout on their territories,

Then they should probably take care of their genocidal Jew-hating neighbor before Israel has to.

That's the thing - Israel's nuclear weapons may not be an actual practical option in many situations, but what they are is a massive game-changer in terms of balance of power. The world is now forced to care what happens to the Jews, because Israel compels them to by the presence of that threat.

[Zinneke]

How does a strong/weak Israel strengthen or weaken my Jewish friend who has full tattoo sleeves and is posting about Christmas gifts on Facebook this morning? Don't see how Israel impacts her livelihood in Columbia Heights, MN.

See, when some pissant sociopath on the right or left gains power and decides that she needs to die because of what her genetic code says, the fact that there's a country of pissed-off Jews with nuclear weapons may just make said pissant sociopath think twice.

And that's an actual possibility in the US?

According to a whole lot of people this year, absolutely. And it certainly was in 1996.

I'm skeptical. However, I'm not only concerned about the US. I very much like the same deterrent existing for Europe.

Would be quite hard to use in Europe, I doubt the non-fascist neighbours would like having to deal with nuclear fallout on their territories,

Then they should probably take care of their genocidal Jew-hating neighbor before Israel has to.

That's the thing - Israel's nuclear weapons may not be an actual practical option in many situations, but what they are is a massive game-changer in terms of balance of power. The world is now forced to care what happens to the Jews, because Israel compels them to by the presence of that threat.

Israel doesn't have nuclear weapons to make sure foreign Jews are protected. It has them to ensure nobody ever engages in conventional war with Israel in the near future. You don't seriously think Netanyahu 1/ cares about Jews that won't even vote for him 2/ use nuclear weapons as leverage to protect them?

[MaxQue]

How does a strong/weak Israel strengthen or weaken my Jewish friend who has full tattoo sleeves and is posting about Christmas gifts on Facebook this morning? Don't see how Israel impacts her livelihood in Columbia Heights, MN.

See, when some pissant sociopath on the right or left gains power and decides that she needs to die because of what her genetic code says, the fact that there's a country of pissed-off Jews with nuclear weapons may just make said pissant sociopath think twice.

And that's an actual possibility in the US?

According to a whole lot of people this year, absolutely. And it certainly was in 1996.

I'm skeptical. However, I'm not only concerned about the US. I very much like the same deterrent existing for Europe.

Would be quite hard to use in Europe, I doubt the non-fascist neighbours would like having to deal with nuclear fallout on their territories,

Then they should probably take care of their genocidal Jew-hating neighbor before Israel has to.

That's the thing - Israel's nuclear weapons may not be an actual practical option in many situations, but what they are is a massive game-changer in terms of balance of power. The world is now forced to care what happens to the Jews, because Israel compels them to by the presence of that threat.

So, if Pakistan decided to use their nukes to make sure Muslims are treated well around the world, would you oppose it?

[swl]

The arguments abour God given land and the return of the messias sound very ISIS-like.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

How does a strong/weak Israel strengthen or weaken my Jewish friend who has full tattoo sleeves and is posting about Christmas gifts on Facebook this morning? Don't see how Israel impacts her livelihood in Columbia Heights, MN.

See, when some pissant sociopath on the right or left gains power and decides that she needs to die because of what her genetic code says, the fact that there's a country of pissed-off Jews with nuclear weapons may just make said pissant sociopath think twice.

And that's an actual possibility in the US?

According to a whole lot of people this year, absolutely. And it certainly was in 1996.

I'm skeptical. However, I'm not only concerned about the US. I very much like the same deterrent existing for Europe.

Would be quite hard to use in Europe, I doubt the non-fascist neighbours would like having to deal with nuclear fallout on their territories,

Then they should probably take care of their genocidal Jew-hating neighbor before Israel has to.

That's the thing - Israel's nuclear weapons may not be an actual practical option in many situations, but what they are is a massive game-changer in terms of balance of power. The world is now forced to care what happens to the Jews, because Israel compels them to by the presence of that threat.

So, if Pakistan decided to use their nukes to make sure Muslims are treated well around the world, would you oppose it?

That's an absurd false equivalency. There's never been an active and partially successful attempt to erase every last Muslim from the face of the planet.

[Horus]

How does a strong/weak Israel strengthen or weaken my Jewish friend who has full tattoo sleeves and is posting about Christmas gifts on Facebook this morning? Don't see how Israel impacts her livelihood in Columbia Heights, MN.

See, when some pissant sociopath on the right or left gains power and decides that she needs to die because of what her genetic code says, the fact that there's a country of pissed-off Jews with nuclear weapons may just make said pissant sociopath think twice.

And that's an actual possibility in the US?

Not in the slightest, and it is extremely paranoid and self centered to believe otherwise.

[MaxQue]

How does a strong/weak Israel strengthen or weaken my Jewish friend who has full tattoo sleeves and is posting about Christmas gifts on Facebook this morning? Don't see how Israel impacts her livelihood in Columbia Heights, MN.

See, when some pissant sociopath on the right or left gains power and decides that she needs to die because of what her genetic code says, the fact that there's a country of pissed-off Jews with nuclear weapons may just make said pissant sociopath think twice.

And that's an actual possibility in the US?

According to a whole lot of people this year, absolutely. And it certainly was in 1996.

I'm skeptical. However, I'm not only concerned about the US. I very much like the same deterrent existing for Europe.

Would be quite hard to use in Europe, I doubt the non-fascist neighbours would like having to deal with nuclear fallout on their territories,

Then they should probably take care of their genocidal Jew-hating neighbor before Israel has to.

That's the thing - Israel's nuclear weapons may not be an actual practical option in many situations, but what they are is a massive game-changer in terms of balance of power. The world is now forced to care what happens to the Jews, because Israel compels them to by the presence of that threat.

So, if Pakistan decided to use their nukes to make sure Muslims are treated well around the world, would you oppose it?

That's an absurd false equivalency. There's never been an active and partially successful attempt to erase every last Muslim from the face of the planet.

Well, I doubt anyone believe someone will attempt to erase all Jews again.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

How does a strong/weak Israel strengthen or weaken my Jewish friend who has full tattoo sleeves and is posting about Christmas gifts on Facebook this morning? Don't see how Israel impacts her livelihood in Columbia Heights, MN.

See, when some pissant sociopath on the right or left gains power and decides that she needs to die because of what her genetic code says, the fact that there's a country of pissed-off Jews with nuclear weapons may just make said pissant sociopath think twice.

And that's an actual possibility in the US?

According to a whole lot of people this year, absolutely. And it certainly was in 1996.

I'm skeptical. However, I'm not only concerned about the US. I very much like the same deterrent existing for Europe.

Would be quite hard to use in Europe, I doubt the non-fascist neighbours would like having to deal with nuclear fallout on their territories,

Then they should probably take care of their genocidal Jew-hating neighbor before Israel has to.

That's the thing - Israel's nuclear weapons may not be an actual practical option in many situations, but what they are is a massive game-changer in terms of balance of power. The world is now forced to care what happens to the Jews, because Israel compels them to by the presence of that threat.

So, if Pakistan decided to use their nukes to make sure Muslims are treated well around the world, would you oppose it?

That's an absurd false equivalency. There's never been an active and partially successful attempt to erase every last Muslim from the face of the planet.

It's far more likely that the American government will try to exterminate the domestic Muslim population than go after the American Jewish community.

Neither one is remotely likely to happen.

Europe, though? Can't say the same about either.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

So how many European countries have even ended diplomatic recognition of Israel or elected an openly anti-Semitic leader? None.

Anyway I can assure that my friend who for the most part never thinks about or cares about Israel is not too worried about being the victim of a second Holocaust perpetuated by the US government...and I'm willing to wager virtually no Jews are.

[Cashew]

How does a strong/weak Israel strengthen or weaken my Jewish friend who has full tattoo sleeves and is posting about Christmas gifts on Facebook this morning? Don't see how Israel impacts her livelihood in Columbia Heights, MN.

See, when some pissant sociopath on the right or left gains power and decides that she needs to die because of what her genetic code says, the fact that there's a country of pissed-off Jews with nuclear weapons may just make said pissant sociopath think twice.

And that's an actual possibility in the US?

According to a whole lot of people this year, absolutely. And it certainly was in 1996.

I'm skeptical. However, I'm not only concerned about the US. I very much like the same deterrent existing for Europe.

Would be quite hard to use in Europe, I doubt the non-fascist neighbours would like having to deal with nuclear fallout on their territories,

Then they should probably take care of their genocidal Jew-hating neighbor before Israel has to.

That's the thing - Israel's nuclear weapons may not be an actual practical option in many situations, but what they are is a massive game-changer in terms of balance of power. The world is now forced to care what happens to the Jews, because Israel compels them to by the presence of that threat.

You think Israeli's are willing to put their own lives on the line for European/American Jews?

If I was an Israeli nationalist I would seem like a wonderful opportunity to double the Jewish population of Israel.

[I’m not Stu]

How does a strong/weak Israel strengthen or weaken my Jewish friend who has full tattoo sleeves and is posting about Christmas gifts on Facebook this morning? Don't see how Israel impacts her livelihood in Columbia Heights, MN.

See, when some pissant sociopath on the right or left gains power and decides that she needs to die because of what her genetic code says, the fact that there's a country of pissed-off Jews with nuclear weapons may just make said pissant sociopath think twice.

And that's an actual possibility in the US?

According to a whole lot of people this year, absolutely. And it certainly was in 1996.

I'm skeptical. However, I'm not only concerned about the US. I very much like the same deterrent existing for Europe.

Would be quite hard to use in Europe, I doubt the non-fascist neighbours would like having to deal with nuclear fallout on their territories,

Then they should probably take care of their genocidal Jew-hating neighbor before Israel has to.

That's the thing - Israel's nuclear weapons may not be an actual practical option in many situations, but what they are is a massive game-changer in terms of balance of power. The world is now forced to care what happens to the Jews, because Israel compels them to by the presence of that threat.

So, if Pakistan decided to use their nukes to make sure Muslims are treated well around the world, would you oppose it?

That's an absurd false equivalency. There's never been an active and partially successful attempt to erase every last Muslim from the face of the planet.

Well, I doubt anyone believe someone will attempt to erase all Jews again.

Ahmadinejad said Israel should be wiped off the map. Rafsanjani played a major role in creating Iran's nuclear program, which is meant to create nuclear weapons to destroy Israel. Rafsanjani himself suggested nuking Israel. Hamas and Hezbollah, ISIS, and Al-Qaeda want to destroy all Jews. ISIS attacked a Hypercacher kosher superette in Porte de Vincennes in 2015, which was motivated by antisemitism.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

The idea that foreign countries can decide where Jews can and cannot build, then, is also often believed to run against one of the more fundamental pillars of Zionism, namely that Jews are finally independent and don't have to rely on whether the world has a favorable or an unfavorable opinion of us. This, of course, makes the U.N. and international law in general spectacularly unpopular, especially so because the U.N. is -- rightly, in my opinion -- perceived to ignore real injustices in the world.

The U.N.'s primary focus is order, not justice. That said, the idea that any country need not consider what other countries think of it strikes me as delusionally arrogant. It's an arrogance that can only be sustained so long as a country remains stronger than its neighbors. Israel will retain that advantage for some time, but not forever.

I suppose if I shared your messianic vision, I might also ignore the lessons of history. However, even if I did, I'd hardly expect others to do so. (I'm not even one of those Christians who see the need for a restoration of a Jewish State as part of Christian eschatology.)

[Cubby]

The arguments abour God given land and the return of the messias sound very ISIS-like.

You can criticize the Jews all you want but it's still THEIR LAND. They lived there centuries before Islam even began.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

If I was an Israeli nationalist I would seem like a wonderful opportunity to double the Jewish population of Israel.

Most Israeli nationalists I, at least, know aren't nearly that psychopathic.

[MaxQue]

The arguments abour God given land and the return of the messias sound very ISIS-like.

You can criticize the Jews all you want but it's still THEIR LAND. They lived there centuries before Islam even began.

Are you ready to give your land to a Native and take a boat back to England?

[GoTfan]

Even the damn Russians voted in favour of this. The f***ing Russians. F***ing Vladimir Putin can claim the high ground on this.

Jesus H. Christ

[ingemann]

When I read this thread I think a major problem for Israel are that Israel seem to have bought into their own propaganda, to some extent I thinks it's a feed back loop enabled by American mouth breathers, who fundamental fail to understand Israel as international actor and have bought into the Israeli propaganda and feed it back to Israel.

Israel are medium to small country falling somewhat in the same category as Belgium, Portugal and Greece. Therir GDP per capita are mostly similar to south Europe. Their export and import make up a very large part of their economy. While their economy per capita look South European, their export look more North European in nature focusing on specialised refined products. They have a large (but not worrying high) BOP deficit. Their main export partner are USA and EU which together take around 50% of the Israeli export. On the other hand EU/EFTA more or less have 50% of the Israeli import (mostly specialised products). Israel are pretty dependent on capital transfer from abroad both the American support, but even more money from the diaspora.

So what does this means, it means that if Israel behaved as some of the mouth breathers in this thread suggest they would, it would not be necessary to turn a single gun toward Israel for Israel to collapse in its existing form. It could likely survive as some kind of North Korea style economy, but I'm pretty sure that wouldn't be acceptable for vast majority the Israeli population.

[Blair]

The way that this is being presented forgets that both the UK and France, along with numerous other western nations sponsored this motion. It's possible to support Israel, see Hamas as a morally bankrupt terrorist group and still think that settlement building in occupied land is illegal, and wrong.

[Cashew]

If I was an Israeli nationalist I would seem like a wonderful opportunity to double the Jewish population of Israel.

Most Israeli nationalists I, at least, know aren't nearly that psychopathic.

Their closeted perhaps? Maybe once you meet enough Christian Zionists you will understand. So no, having a religious motivation does not make an individual " psychopathic".

[2952-0-0]

Netanyahu made a phone call with the New Zealand foreign minister where he threatened that NZ sponsoring the resolution will be deemed a declaration of war. I'm sure those Kiwis are trembling.to their last sheep.

North Korea called, Ben. They want their empty bombastic rhetoric back.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

If I was an Israeli nationalist I would seem like a wonderful opportunity to double the Jewish population of Israel.

Most Israeli nationalists I, at least, know aren't nearly that psychopathic.

Their closeted perhaps? Maybe once you meet enough Christian Zionists you will understand. So no, having a religious motivation does not make an individual " psychopathic".

None of these three sentences appear to come from the same post.

[DavidB.]

Self-IDing "Christian Zionists" obviously have a different worldview than Israeli nationalists.

[mencken]

Judea and Samaria, as envisioned by the United Nations:

[America Needs R'hllor]

I don't know why people are praising Obama for this. All this shows is that he is a coward that neither has the guts to stand up for Israel nor vote in favour of the resolution.

I think abstaining is meant to show that the US is an ally of Israel, but has critique on its government's policy.
The real coward here is Benjamin Netanyahu- he's now spitting unprecedented attacks against the Obama administration, but he only has the guts because Clinton wasn't elected. He's like a little child who's coy when his parents are there, but throws tantrums whenever they're not there.

[DavidB.]

The real coward here is Barack Obama- he's now spitting unprecedented attacks against the Netanyahu administration, but he only has the guts because Clinton wasn't elected. He's like a little child who's coy when his parents are there, but throws tantrums whenever they're not there.

ftfy

AW and Mencken get it.

I don't like Netanyahu, but every Jew who chooses to criticize Netanyahu instead of Obama right now has their priorities -- and probably actually more than that: their values -- profoundly messed up.