Blaming Russia

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Are there any other lefties who are getting a bit sick of everyone blaming Russia for Hillary losing?

Absolutely.

There's not nearly enough cold, dispassionate criticism of Comey and the FBI, the MSM, Clinton herself, or the party that allowed a vulnerable candidate with a record of  poor  campaigning to steamroller her way to the nomination virtually unopposed. (A socialist from Vermont who wasn't even a member of the party?!?)

[(Still) muted by Kalwejt until March 31]

The only people to blame here are the millions of Democratic primary voters voting for HRC over Bernie against their interests.

[NOVA Green]

So, can we finally decide who's responsible?

1. Putin
2. Comey
3. Bernie
4. Obama
5. Weather
6. The curse of Monica Lewinsky
7. Bill's penis
8. Reddit
9. Jill Stein
10. Gary Johnson
11. Jfern

Not sure the exact nature of your list, but it does appear to be a curious individual not on the list regardless:

#1 Hillary Clinton

[Pericles]

The only people to blame here are the millions of Democratic primary voters voting for HRC over Bernie against their interests.

And not the 63 million Trump voters who voted against their interests?

[(Still) muted by Kalwejt until March 31]

The only people to blame here are the millions of Democratic primary voters voting for HRC over Bernie against their interests.

And not the 63 million Trump voters who voted against their interests?

-Trump is good, and Trump primary voters got what they wanted in November. Their interests were fully satisfied. HRC primary voters didn't. Their interests weren't. The primary winner who loses in the general AND the primary voters for that candidate should always get the blame for that candidate's defeat. They shouldn't have voted for that candidate, and that candidate shouldn't have bothered to run.

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Whatever Russia's actions, blaming them for Clinton's loss is a losing battle.

Absolutely. The Democratic party needs to either talk about the issues that actually effect people, or die.

I fully expect Democrats to attack Trump "from the right" on foreign policy in 2020.

I'd be very surprised if that happened. Clinton was much more hawkish than most Democrats, and they're likely going to try and move away from Clintonism.

That would be the sane thing to do, but this is US politics we're talking about.

[yawa]

Blaming Russia means glorifying Russia and undermining US. Russia's Putin is  presented as a superman who can change world order. 

[Arturo Belano]

So, can we finally decide who's responsible?

1. Putin
2. Comey
3. Bernie
4. Obama
5. Weather
6. The curse of Monica Lewinsky
7. Bill's penis
8. Reddit
9. Jill Stein
10. Gary Johnson
11. Jfern

Not sure the exact nature of your list, but it does appear to be a curious individual not on the list regardless:

#1 Hillary Clinton

What are you? Some kind of Putin apologist?

[ApatheticAustrian]

well, russia is as guilty as 10000 other factors cause of the close results... i guess, weather, 1-2 zingers, ofc comey etc etc would have had the same effect.....each of this factors could be THE SILVER BULLET.

but this is not the effing point.

doesn't care if trump wins by 5 votes or loses by 20 million......russia tried to undermine the election in an active way and this needs to be researched, everything else is just distraction.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

well, russia is as guilty as 10000 other factors cause of the close results... i guess, weather, 1-2 zingers, ofc comey etc etc would have had the same effect.....each of this factors could be THE SILVER BULLET.

but this is not the effing point.

doesn't care if trump wins by 5 votes or loses by 20 million......russia tried to undermine the election in an active way and this needs to be researched, everything else is just distraction.

While unlike most of the sheepRepublican voters, I'm certainly not going to cheer on Russia's actions, I *do* think "Russia hacked the election!" is being used as a distraction.

The combined Obama-Clinton leadership of the Dems left the national party dead in the gutter, getting run over by the GOP. Yes, Obama's years or Clinton's hypothetical presidency appear better than Trump's, but that's such a low bar that it can be used for the high-jump at the Snake Olympics.

Part of the reason Trump enjoyed the success he did, and why the GOP is now in near-complete control of the country can be laid directly at the feet of Obama, the Clintons, Pelosi, DWS, and their ilk. And now, the left is supposed to believe that because Russians!, Trump!, and GOP! we're supposed to now follow the same crew of idiots and their heirs into another couple decades of corporate boot licking? Eff that.

If the corporate establishment democrats will help us beat the GOP and their cult leader, great. And we can work with them on what we do afterwards. But they SHOULD NOT be trusted to lead ever again.

[Hillary Lost]

Are Democrats still talking about Russia?  My goodness get over it! YOU LOST!!! Perhaps it's just one of your stages of grief.  It goes like this.


1 talk about popular vote
2 recounts in battleground states
3 bribe electors to not respect the will of the electorate
4 Russian hackers durp
5 It's RIGGED!!!

Now imagine if Donald Trump acted like this after losing.  I remember Hillary having a hissy fit on stage because Trump said he might not honor the results and now look at yourselves.  This is what you get!

[Hillary Lost]

I don't think Putin or Russian Intelligence told Hillary to not campaign in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. Democrats just don't want to admit their "perfect" candidate lost. Russia may have influenced the election but Russia didn't actually alter the results of the election. The Russians allegedly exposed actual wrongdoing from the Democratic Party that the voters had a right to know. Democrats are just sore losers like they always have been.

They told her to use an unprotected server and have her foundation plan a defense for Anthony Wiener's pedophile ring though!

[DrScholl]

Conservatives and Republicans are not getting the fact that a foreign country deliberately trying to influence the results of our election is unacceptable. If this happened in reverse, I have a hard time believing that Republicans would not be talking about it. Russia would not have been so interested in the election unless there was something to gain. Think beyond your partisan obsessions.
 
At this point, blame doesn't matter. Trump will fail and that will be that.

[Hillary Lost]

Conservatives and Republicans are not getting the fact that a foreign country deliberately trying to influence the results of our election is unacceptable. If this happened in reverse, I have a hard time believing that Republicans would not be talking about it. Russia would not have been so interested in the election unless there was something to gain. Think beyond your partisan obsessions.
 
At this point, blame doesn't matter. Trump will fail and that will be that.

See Democrats can't get over their loss so they claim Russia hacked her e-mails.  If that WERE the case, then thank them for giving us the information our government hid from us.  IF Russia hacked our election then it would be bad, but the fact of the matter is they did not.  Her e-mails were leaked which is different.  Finally, it takes a giant moron to think voters supported Hillary and then decided not to after reading some of her e-mails.  Do you think it's acceptable for a member of the liberal media at CNN to give Clinton questions ahead of time for a debate?  Acceptability goes both ways!  Which stage of grief are you in?

[DrScholl]

Conservatives and Republicans are not getting the fact that a foreign country deliberately trying to influence the results of our election is unacceptable. If this happened in reverse, I have a hard time believing that Republicans would not be talking about it. Russia would not have been so interested in the election unless there was something to gain. Think beyond your partisan obsessions.
 
At this point, blame doesn't matter. Trump will fail and that will be that.

See Democrats can't get over their loss so they claim Russia hacked her e-mails.  If that WERE the case, then thank them for giving us the information our government hid from us.  IF Russia hacked our election then it would be bad, but the fact of the matter is they did not.  Her e-mails were leaked which is different.  Finally, it takes a giant moron to think voters supported Hillary and then decided not to after reading some of her e-mails.  Do you think it's acceptable for a member of the liberal media at CNN to give Clinton questions ahead of time for a debate?  Acceptability goes both ways!  Which stage of grief are you in?

Stop trolling. You just sound like a crazy person.

[Hillary Lost]

Conservatives and Republicans are not getting the fact that a foreign country deliberately trying to influence the results of our election is unacceptable. If this happened in reverse, I have a hard time believing that Republicans would not be talking about it. Russia would not have been so interested in the election unless there was something to gain. Think beyond your partisan obsessions.
 
At this point, blame doesn't matter. Trump will fail and that will be that.

See Democrats can't get over their loss so they claim Russia hacked her e-mails.  If that WERE the case, then thank them for giving us the information our government hid from us.  IF Russia hacked our election then it would be bad, but the fact of the matter is they did not.  Her e-mails were leaked which is different.  Finally, it takes a giant moron to think voters supported Hillary and then decided not to after reading some of her e-mails.  Do you think it's acceptable for a member of the liberal media at CNN to give Clinton questions ahead of time for a debate?  Acceptability goes both ways!  Which stage of grief are you in?

Stop trolling. You just sound like a crazy person.

You are the one blaming Russians and whose next Marshians from outer space?  How out of touch can you be?

[Virginiá]

See Democrats can't get over their loss so they claim Russia hacked her e-mails.  If that WERE the case, then thank them for giving us the information our government hid from us.

Are we talking about the DNC/DCCC/Podesta emails? Those are the emails hacked by the Russians (or Russian-aligned groups). Hillary's emails from her tenure as SoS were fair game, and that whole mess was entirely her doing. Podesta's emails and the correspondence of Democratic Party organizations is private and the public has no right to see that stuff. It revealed some things about Debbie, which I'm glad got her to step down, but it doesn't change the fact that these were not emails the public is entitled to see, nor are RNC emails.

We can't have elections were each party/campaign is getting hacked by outside interests in order to tip the scales towards a candidate.

[Hillary Lost]

See Democrats can't get over their loss so they claim Russia hacked her e-mails.  If that WERE the case, then thank them for giving us the information our government hid from us.

Are we talking about the DNC/DCCC/Podesta emails? Those are the emails hacked by the Russians (or Russian-aligned groups). Hillary's emails from her tenure as SoS were fair game, and that whole mess was entirely her doing. Podesta's emails and the correspondence of Democratic Party organizations is private and the public has no right to see that stuff. It revealed some things about Debbie, which I'm glad got her to step down, but it doesn't change the fact that these were not emails the public is entitled to see, nor are RNC emails.

We can't have elections were each party/campaign is getting hacked by outside interests in order to tip the scales towards a candidate.

Hacked and leaked are different things. Podesta just looks like the slimiest creature to ever walk on this planet.  Looking at him gives me chills.  I'm so glad his side lost.  Public and private talk sounds like the Clinton e-mail that said "you need a public position and a private position."  Are you actually under the belief that there was a single voter who supported Hillary Clinton but changed their mind when the e-mails were released?  You've got to be kidding me! Get over it you lost!  You're sounding like one of those millennials who goes to a safe space on their college campus to play with play-dough and color in coloring books.  The generation that stormed Normandy would be ashamed of you.

[DrScholl]

Conservatives and Republicans are not getting the fact that a foreign country deliberately trying to influence the results of our election is unacceptable. If this happened in reverse, I have a hard time believing that Republicans would not be talking about it. Russia would not have been so interested in the election unless there was something to gain. Think beyond your partisan obsessions.
 
At this point, blame doesn't matter. Trump will fail and that will be that.

See Democrats can't get over their loss so they claim Russia hacked her e-mails.  If that WERE the case, then thank them for giving us the information our government hid from us.  IF Russia hacked our election then it would be bad, but the fact of the matter is they did not.  Her e-mails were leaked which is different.  Finally, it takes a giant moron to think voters supported Hillary and then decided not to after reading some of her e-mails.  Do you think it's acceptable for a member of the liberal media at CNN to give Clinton questions ahead of time for a debate?  Acceptability goes both ways!  Which stage of grief are you in?

Stop trolling. You just sound like a crazy person.

You are the one blaming Russians and whose next Marshians from outer space?  How out of touch can you be?

Seems to me that you are out of touch. Trump is about to be inaugurated and you are still ranting about Hillary Clinton.

[Hillary Lost]

Conservatives and Republicans are not getting the fact that a foreign country deliberately trying to influence the results of our election is unacceptable. If this happened in reverse, I have a hard time believing that Republicans would not be talking about it. Russia would not have been so interested in the election unless there was something to gain. Think beyond your partisan obsessions.
 
At this point, blame doesn't matter. Trump will fail and that will be that.

See Democrats can't get over their loss so they claim Russia hacked her e-mails.  If that WERE the case, then thank them for giving us the information our government hid from us.  IF Russia hacked our election then it would be bad, but the fact of the matter is they did not.  Her e-mails were leaked which is different.  Finally, it takes a giant moron to think voters supported Hillary and then decided not to after reading some of her e-mails.  Do you think it's acceptable for a member of the liberal media at CNN to give Clinton questions ahead of time for a debate?  Acceptability goes both ways!  Which stage of grief are you in?

Stop trolling. You just sound like a crazy person.

You are the one blaming Russians and whose next Marshians from outer space?  How out of touch can you be?

Seems to me that you are out of touch. Trump is about to be inaugurated and you are still ranting about Hillary Clinton.

Not as much as Democrats are grieving about her loss. Which stage of grief are you in?

[DrScholl]

Conservatives and Republicans are not getting the fact that a foreign country deliberately trying to influence the results of our election is unacceptable. If this happened in reverse, I have a hard time believing that Republicans would not be talking about it. Russia would not have been so interested in the election unless there was something to gain. Think beyond your partisan obsessions.
 
At this point, blame doesn't matter. Trump will fail and that will be that.

See Democrats can't get over their loss so they claim Russia hacked her e-mails.  If that WERE the case, then thank them for giving us the information our government hid from us.  IF Russia hacked our election then it would be bad, but the fact of the matter is they did not.  Her e-mails were leaked which is different.  Finally, it takes a giant moron to think voters supported Hillary and then decided not to after reading some of her e-mails.  Do you think it's acceptable for a member of the liberal media at CNN to give Clinton questions ahead of time for a debate?  Acceptability goes both ways!  Which stage of grief are you in?

Stop trolling. You just sound like a crazy person.

You are the one blaming Russians and whose next Marshians from outer space?  How out of touch can you be?

Seems to me that you are out of touch. Trump is about to be inaugurated and you are still ranting about Hillary Clinton.

Not as much as Democrats are grieving about her loss. Which stage of grief are you in?

I'm not in grief, I'm gloating over what a disaster Trump's transition is and the prospect of him being a mess as President, which would help Democrats in the 2018 midterm elections.

[Inmate Trump]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2017/01/18/fbi-5-other-agencies-probing-possible-kremlin-cash-to-trump.html?via=mobile&source=copyurl

Of course, Trump could clear this up right now by releasing his taxes.

Besides that, why are people in this thread so deluded to believe this isn't a real possibility?

[Hillary Lost]

Conservatives and Republicans are not getting the fact that a foreign country deliberately trying to influence the results of our election is unacceptable. If this happened in reverse, I have a hard time believing that Republicans would not be talking about it. Russia would not have been so interested in the election unless there was something to gain. Think beyond your partisan obsessions.
 
At this point, blame doesn't matter. Trump will fail and that will be that.

See Democrats can't get over their loss so they claim Russia hacked her e-mails.  If that WERE the case, then thank them for giving us the information our government hid from us.  IF Russia hacked our election then it would be bad, but the fact of the matter is they did not.  Her e-mails were leaked which is different.  Finally, it takes a giant moron to think voters supported Hillary and then decided not to after reading some of her e-mails.  Do you think it's acceptable for a member of the liberal media at CNN to give Clinton questions ahead of time for a debate?  Acceptability goes both ways!  Which stage of grief are you in?

Stop trolling. You just sound like a crazy person.

You are the one blaming Russians and whose next Marshians from outer space?  How out of touch can you be?

Seems to me that you are out of touch. Trump is about to be inaugurated and you are still ranting about Hillary Clinton.

Not as much as Democrats are grieving about her loss. Which stage of grief are you in?

I'm not in grief, I'm gloating over what a disaster Trump's transition is and the prospect of him being a mess as President, which would help Democrats in the 2018 midterm elections.

Well why even have congress meet with someone like you to tell us how things will be.  Glad to see you're rooting against your country.  ISIS would be proud of you.  Always putting your party first great!

[Hillary Lost]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2017/01/18/fbi-5-other-agencies-probing-possible-kremlin-cash-to-trump.html?via=mobile&source=copyurl

Of course, Trump could clear this up right now by releasing his taxes.

Besides that, why are people in this thread so deluded to believe this isn't a real possibility?

People sent a clear message saying they'd rather look at the election results than look at Trump's taxes.  If his taxes were an issue he would've lost.  If you think his taxes are an issue to anyone outside of the Democrat party, then you live in coo-koo land.

[Hillary Lost]

Conservatives and Republicans are not getting the fact that a foreign country deliberately trying to influence the results of our election is unacceptable. If this happened in reverse, I have a hard time believing that Republicans would not be talking about it. Russia would not have been so interested in the election unless there was something to gain. Think beyond your partisan obsessions.
 
At this point, blame doesn't matter. Trump will fail and that will be that.

Oh those God awful Republicans right?  So all you're saying is that Russia told Clinton to use funding to help Anthony Wiener get out of trouble for having a pedophile ring?  Do you support pedophile rings?  You do if you voted for Hillary.