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Question: Which of these cities is the most liberal?
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Northampton
 
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Cambridge
 
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North Adams
 
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« on: December 26, 2016, 03:18:28 PM »

Which of these five cities is the most liberal?
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« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2016, 07:20:29 PM »

Definitely Cambridge, there's no question about that.
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« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2016, 09:38:21 PM »

Definitely Cambridge, there's no question about that.

Clearly.
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« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2016, 11:24:52 PM »

Cambridge, hands down. I especially can't really see any argument for Greenfield or North Adams.
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« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2016, 11:16:39 PM »

Cambridge, hands down. I especially can't really see any argument for Greenfield or North Adams.

This. They're very Democratic, but not all that liberal, compared to some other places.

Northampton definitely gets honorable mention, though.
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« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2016, 12:36:41 AM »
« Edited: December 30, 2016, 12:39:44 AM by ERM64man »

I specifically meant the most liberal city in MA, not necessarily the most heavily Democratic. While places can be heavily Democratic, they might be less liberal than others. In California, Hacienda Heights, Long Beach, and Santa Ana are heavily Democratic, but they are less liberal than Berkeley, San Francisco, and Oakland. Oakland elected Barbara Lee (D-CA-13), who is far more liberal than Lou Correa (D-CA-46) of Santa Ana.
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« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2016, 01:27:44 AM »

Provincetown didn't make the running?
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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2016, 02:06:17 AM »


Provincetown isn't a city.
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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2016, 11:03:22 AM »


New Englanders are very particular about what a city is and what is not. To further complicate things to outsiders, there are towns which call themselves "Town of" but legally function as a city.
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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2016, 02:20:27 PM »
« Edited: December 31, 2016, 01:51:45 AM by ERM64man »


New Englanders are very particular about what a city is and what is not. To further complicate things to outsiders, there are towns which call themselves "Town of" but legally function as a city.
In California, "town" generally means unincorporated community like Rowland Heights, Ladera Ranch, and Jesmond Dene.
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« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2016, 04:02:18 PM »

I specifically meant the most liberal city in MA, not necessarily the most heavily Democratic. While places can be heavily Democratic, they might be less liberal than others. In California, Hacienda Heights, Long Beach, and Santa Ana are heavily Democratic, but they are less liberal than Berkeley, San Francisco, and Oakland. Oakland elected Barbara Lee (D-CA-13), who is far more liberal than Lou Correa (D-CA-46) of Santa Ana.

Which is why including Greenfield and North Adams as options makes no sense. Those cities do have a lot of liberals, but in Massachusetts I doubt they'd make the top ten.
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« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2016, 04:58:11 PM »

I know very little about New England. What do New Englanders refer to places like Hacienda Heights and Jesmond Dene as?
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« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2016, 05:23:03 PM »

I know very little about New England. What do New Englanders refer to places like Hacienda Heights and Jesmond Dene as?

I have never heard of these places, but googling Hacienda Heights brings up a majority-minority city (presumably ultra liberal) and Jesmond Dene as either a park in England or a park in California. What exactly do you mean by "refer to... as"?
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« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2016, 05:30:46 PM »
« Edited: December 31, 2016, 05:52:53 PM by ERM64man »

I know very little about New England. What do New Englanders refer to places like Hacienda Heights and Jesmond Dene as?

I have never heard of these places, but googling Hacienda Heights brings up a majority-minority city (presumably ultra liberal) and Jesmond Dene as either a park in England or a park in California. What exactly do you mean by "refer to... as"?
Hacienda Heights isn't an incorporated city. It is heavily Democratic, but more traditional Hispanic/white/Asian establishment Clinton Democrats, not Bernie Sanders types. It certainly isn't a weird hipster town, it's more laid back. I know several people from Hacienda Heights, and I have been there frequently. Hillary Clinton probably defeated Sanders in the primary there. In Hacienda Heights, Trump easily finished second (breaking 20%; probably receiving 23-30%), Johnson came in third, and Stein finished fourth. Look up Jesmond Dene, California on Wikipedia. I have also been there frequently. What I mean by "refer to as", is, would New Englanders refer to these communities as "towns" or would they use some other term for such communities?
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« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2016, 10:14:30 PM »

I know very little about New England. What do New Englanders refer to places like Hacienda Heights and Jesmond Dene as?

I have never heard of these places, but googling Hacienda Heights brings up a majority-minority city (presumably ultra liberal) and Jesmond Dene as either a park in England or a park in California. What exactly do you mean by "refer to... as"?
Hacienda Heights isn't an incorporated city. It is heavily Democratic, but more traditional Hispanic/white/Asian establishment Clinton Democrats, not Bernie Sanders types. It certainly isn't a hipster town, it's more down-to-earth. I know several people from Hacienda Heights, and I have been there frequently. Hillary Clinton probably defeated Sanders in the primary there. In Hacienda Heights, Trump easily finished second (breaking 20%; probably receiving 23-30%), Johnson came in third, and Stein finished fourth. Look up Jesmond Dene, California on Wikipedia. I have also been there frequently. What I mean by "refer to as", is, would New Englanders refer to these communities as "towns" or would they use some other term for such communities?

Outside of a few very, very remote areas in northern Maine, every square inch of New England is either in a city or a town. Sometimes though, there are places in New England that are settlements on their own, but politically part of a larger city or town. Examples would be Florence (part of Northampton), Turners Falls (part of Montague), Shelburne Falls (part of Shelburne and Buckland), Housatonic (part of Great Barrington), etc. The census calls these CDPs, road maps call them hamlets, I think most people call them either villages or (confusingly) towns.
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« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2016, 02:26:53 PM »


New Englanders are very particular about what a city is and what is not. To further complicate things to outsiders, there are towns which call themselves "Town of" but legally function as a city.

Greenfield being one of those, as a matter of fact!
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« Reply #16 on: December 31, 2016, 04:58:02 PM »

Of these cities, Stein got almost 4% in Northampton.
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« Reply #17 on: December 31, 2016, 08:18:30 PM »

Of these cities, Stein got almost 4% in Northampton.

No surprise. It's a good fit for her anyway, and she made a campaign stop there.
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« Reply #18 on: January 01, 2017, 02:01:27 AM »
« Edited: January 01, 2017, 02:03:14 AM by ERM64man »

Of these cities, Stein got almost 4% in Northampton.

No surprise. It's a good fit for her anyway, and she made a campaign stop there.
Why did Trump only get about 12% in Northampton, which is over 80% white, but got more than 1/4 of the vote in Hacienda Heights?
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« Reply #19 on: January 01, 2017, 07:54:06 PM »

Of these cities, Stein got almost 4% in Northampton.

No surprise. It's a good fit for her anyway, and she made a campaign stop there.
Why did Trump only get about 12% in Northampton, which is over 80% white, but got more than 1/4 of the vote in Hacienda Heights?

Northampton is a college town, considered the "lesbian capital of the world," and is famous for hippies, environmentalists, and other left-wing people. It's a bit like Santa Cruz, California. Not sure what the best SoCal equivalent would be.

I don't know about Hacienda Heights, but it's fairly common for minority-heavy towns to have very conservative white populations.
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« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2017, 03:53:15 PM »

Of these cities, Stein got almost 4% in Northampton.

No surprise. It's a good fit for her anyway, and she made a campaign stop there.
Why did Trump only get about 12% in Northampton, which is over 80% white, but got more than 1/4 of the vote in Hacienda Heights?

Northampton is a college town, considered the "lesbian capital of the world," and is famous for hippies, environmentalists, and other left-wing people. It's a bit like Santa Cruz, California. Not sure what the best SoCal equivalent would be.

I don't know about Hacienda Heights, but it's fairly common for minority-heavy towns to have very conservative white populations.
Hillary Clinton won the Democratic primary in Hacienda Heights. Who won the Democratic primary in Northampton?
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« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2017, 12:56:47 AM »

Of these cities, Stein got almost 4% in Northampton.

No surprise. It's a good fit for her anyway, and she made a campaign stop there.
Why did Trump only get about 12% in Northampton, which is over 80% white, but got more than 1/4 of the vote in Hacienda Heights?

Northampton is a college town, considered the "lesbian capital of the world," and is famous for hippies, environmentalists, and other left-wing people. It's a bit like Santa Cruz, California. Not sure what the best SoCal equivalent would be.

I don't know about Hacienda Heights, but it's fairly common for minority-heavy towns to have very conservative white populations.
Hillary Clinton won the Democratic primary in Hacienda Heights. Who won the Democratic primary in Northampton?

Sanders in a walk.
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« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2017, 02:08:21 PM »
« Edited: January 12, 2017, 12:41:26 AM by ERM64man »

Of these cities, Stein got almost 4% in Northampton.

No surprise. It's a good fit for her anyway, and she made a campaign stop there.
Why did Trump only get about 12% in Northampton, which is over 80% white, but got more than 1/4 of the vote in Hacienda Heights?

Northampton is a college town, considered the "lesbian capital of the world," and is famous for hippies, environmentalists, and other left-wing people. It's a bit like Santa Cruz, California. Not sure what the best SoCal equivalent would be.

I don't know about Hacienda Heights, but it's fairly common for minority-heavy towns to have very conservative white populations.
Hillary Clinton won the Democratic primary in Hacienda Heights. Who won the Democratic primary in Northampton?

Sanders in a walk.
Clinton won the primary in Cambridge.
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« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2017, 04:24:31 PM »

Of these cities, Stein got almost 4% in Northampton.

No surprise. It's a good fit for her anyway, and she made a campaign stop there.
Why did Trump only get about 12% in Northampton, which is over 80% white, but got more than 1/4 of the vote in Hacienda Heights?

Northampton is a college town, considered the "lesbian capital of the world," and is famous for hippies, environmentalists, and other left-wing people. It's a bit like Santa Cruz, California. Not sure what the best SoCal equivalent would be.

I don't know about Hacienda Heights, but it's fairly common for minority-heavy towns to have very conservative white populations.
Hillary Clinton won the Democratic primary in Hacienda Heights. Who won the Democratic primary in Northampton?

Sanders in a walk.
Clinton won the primary in Cambridge.

-This is why I voted Northampton.
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« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2017, 02:35:55 AM »

Incidentally, there is a WWC side to Northampton that people don't really talk about (of course, these people are still liberal as hell). I'm not familiar enough with Cambridge to know if there's a similar demographic there.
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