U.S. hits Russia with new sanctions over election hacks

[EnglishPete]

How do you think Trump is going to react to this?

He's going to continue to try and deny or minimize it as his fragile psyche can't tolerate the idea that he only won because he was helped by someone more powerful.

We have had digital evidence in the public sphere of where these attacks came from. Samples of the malware (known Rus APT software) and endpoint server addresses embedded in and used by the malware point back to server(s) used by groups either working for, or are, Russian military intelligence. Security researchers and companies like CrowdStrike have monitored said groups for years. I don't think most people really understand this stuff though, so they conveniently ignore it to hold together their own narrative.

The "it really was Russia" case has been beyond reasonable doubt since summer.


The beautiful part of it is how Obama is locking Trump into a dilemma. Either he admits that Russian intelligence tried to help him, or he's forced to openly support Russia against his own intelligence agencies.

He doesn't have to do either. He's not the President right now so he's not the one who has to decide whether or not to take action over this. Therefore he doesn't need to give an opinion as to whether he thinks it happened, and so far he hasn't.

Obama is the president right now and he's taking action today. Once Trump becomes President this will be three weeks in the past and he won't need to discuss it. Whatever action has been taken will have been taken by then

[Virginiá]

"russia hacked the election" is the pizzagate of the left. all the partisan hacks on both major sides are nothing short of stupid.

Uh, no? Russia or at least Russian-aligned group(s) definitely did hack the DNC/DCCC and the information ended up getting leaked to influence the election. That isn't the same as hacking voting machines and such. I mean, is it liberals or people like you who are having trouble making the distinction? Because there is definitely digital evidence that Russian espionage groups did hack these organizations.

Party over country though, right?

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

"russia hacked the election" is the pizzagate of the left. all the partisan hacks on both major sides are nothing short of stupid.

Uh, no? Russia or at least Russian-aligned group(s) definitely did hack the DNC/DCCC and the information ended up getting leaked to influence the election. That isn't the same as hacking voting machines and such. I mean, is it liberals or people like you who are having trouble making the distinction? Because there is definitely digital evidence that Russian espionage groups did hack these organizations.

Party over country though, right?

The proof for that is chilling right next to Iraq's WMD.

[Associate Justice PiT]

"russia hacked the election" is the pizzagate of the left. all the partisan hacks on both major sides are nothing short of stupid.

Uh, no? Russia or at least Russian-aligned group(s) definitely did hack the DNC/DCCC and the information ended up getting leaked to influence the election. That isn't the same as hacking voting machines and such. I mean, is it liberals or people like you who are having trouble making the distinction? Because there is definitely digital evidence that Russian espionage groups did hack these organizations.

Party over country though, right?

The proof for that is chilling right next to Iraq's WMD.

     In a way, I envy people who can still treat the CIA as a reliable source.

[EnglishPete]

"russia hacked the election" is the pizzagate of the left. all the partisan hacks on both major sides are nothing short of stupid.

Uh, no? Russia or at least Russian-aligned group(s) definitely did hack the DNC/DCCC and the information ended up getting leaked to influence the election. That isn't the same as hacking voting machines and such. I mean, is it liberals or people like you who are having trouble making the distinction? Because there is definitely digital evidence that Russian espionage groups did hack these organizations.

Party over country though, right?

lets put this in a little perspective. If there was evidence that suggested that the Billy Bush tape had been stolen and leaked by the Chinese communists hoping to avoid a Trump presidency would you be calling for sanctions against China? Somehow I doubt it.

[Virginiá]

    In a way, I envy people who can still treat the CIA as a reliable source.

I hope you don't mean me, because that is not what I'm talking about. Not unless you're saying the CIA conspired with CrowdStrike and other independent researchers to put out completely bogus samples & technical analysis reports on the malware and the Russian APT groups who perpetrated this craziness.

lets put this in a little perspective. If there was evidence that suggested that the Billy Bush tape had been stolen and leaked by the Chinese communists hoping to avoid a Trump presidency would you be calling for sanctions against China? Somehow I doubt it.

If a foreign power interfered, then yes, by all means, find a way to punish them. I'd be saying the same thing if the situations were reversed. We can't fking have other countries doing this in our elections.

Look, your guy won. I haven't disputed that. I'd like to address the issue of Russian-aligned groups or perhaps Russian intelligence directly interfering in our election by hacking Democratic Party organizations and leaking data to influence public opinion. It's unbelievable to me that this is even a partisan issue.

The proof for that is chilling right next to Iraq's WMD.

What do you mean? There are literally samples of the malware out there for analysis that are from known espionage groups. The malware even reused servers that were used against European governments a year or two ago.


I keep mentioning this, and most of you guys just keep right on ignoring it. I admit it is incredibly frustrating. Perhaps I'll just step back and give up on what is clearly a lost cause. I'm not really convinced anything will change any of your minds, and no doubt you (jfern) will probably just continue to churn out the one-liners regardless.

[they don't love you like i love you]

Obama is basically just a troll at this point.

Shut up you Putin lover.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

So we've moved on from "this is fine" to the "Obama administration becomes a parody of itself" stage.

They're just trying to ensure a smooth transition in the reign of President Puppet von Pussy-grabber.

[Devout Centrist]

Obama is basically just a troll at this point.

Look, Budapest circa 1956 was pretty sh*tty.

[Bacon King]

"russia hacked the election" is the pizzagate of the left. all the partisan hacks on both major sides are nothing short of stupid.

The proof for that is chilling right next to Iraq's WMD.

In a way, I envy people who can still treat the CIA as a reliable source.

hi guys i know "truth" is kind of a challenging concept for you people but maybe try paying attention to it for once because there are so many independent analysts who have confirmed and verified that the attacks on the DNC servers and such were committed by Russian-affiliated assets that have been publicly identified for years. I mean I guess you can stick your head in the sand and delude yourself into believing Kremlin propaganda if you really want to but I just want to clarify that your false opinions are literally the information security equivalent to denying something like global warming or the heliocentric model. I guess if you really do love denying objective facts though I hear the Flat Earth Society is looking for new members

[Lothal1]

Extreme salt.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

"russia hacked the election" is the pizzagate of the left. all the partisan hacks on both major sides are nothing short of stupid.

The proof for that is chilling right next to Iraq's WMD.

In a way, I envy people who can still treat the CIA as a reliable source.

hi guys i know "truth" is kind of a challenging concept for you people but maybe try paying attention to it for once because there are so many independent analysts who have confirmed and verified that the attacks on the DNC servers and such were committed by Russian-affiliated assets that have been publicly identified for years. I mean I guess you can stick your head in the sand and delude yourself into believing Kremlin propaganda if you really want to but I just want to clarify that your false opinions are literally the information security equivalent to denying something like global warming or the heliocentric model. I guess if you really do love denying objective facts though I hear the Flat Earth Society is looking for new members

Don't be silly - Flat Eartherism isn't part of the Trumpublican canon. Yet. But you're missing the point and wasting your time.

These people (to be generous) DO NOT THINK. It's not that they're biased. They don't sometimes let their emotions and wishful thinking overrule their better judgement. It's not because evolution, environment, and education have left them vulnerable to mistakes in reasoning. Those things are true of all of us. They're part of being human.

The Trump-cult is done with all of that. They have NO interest or ability to analyze or reconsider their own thoughts. ZERO willingness or understanding that they could be possibly be wrong. Ever. About anything. Even when they do change their so-called minds (like on free trade), they do it without a hint of awareness or acknowledgement. They believe one-hundred percent, whatever Fox News, Right-wing radio, fake-Christian preachers, and now President-elect Pussygrabber tell them, without the slightest whiff of thought. They might as well be zombies. (Armed and organized zombies. Be afraid.)

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Obama is basically just a troll at this point.

Shut up you Putin lover.

Oh yeah, clearly there are no positions in between Putin lover, and wanting to start a new cold war because Russia supposedly hacked some emails that might have been leaked by US and UK citizens.

[DrScholl]

Putin is a manipulative dictator, let's not lose sight of that. This time is was just hacking of emails, next time it could actually be a concerted effort to actually manipulate actual voting results.

[7,052,770]

Do Russian Hacking/Interference Truthers also believe the shootdown of MH17 was actually done by the Ukranian government, for various far-fetched reasons?

[they don't love you like i love you]

Do Russian Hacking/Interference Truthers also believe the shootdown of MH17 was actually done by the Ukranian government, for various far-fetched reasons?

Jill Stein's running mate did.

[they don't love you like i love you]

Obama is basically just a troll at this point.

Shut up you Putin lover.

Oh yeah, clearly there are no positions in between Putin lover, and wanting to start a new cold war because Russia supposedly hacked some emails that might have been leaked by US and UK citizens.

But you also de facto supported Putin's candidate and called him the lesser of two evils Bernie's candidate.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Feels to me like Obama is actively trying to bait Trump into a Logan Act violation.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Obama is basically just a troll at this point.

Shut up you Putin lover.

Oh yeah, clearly there are no positions in between Putin lover, and wanting to start a new cold war because Russia supposedly hacked some emails that might have been leaked by US and UK citizens.

But you also de facto supported Putin's candidate and called him the lesser of two evils Bernie's candidate.

I never supported Trump, but at least he realized it was the 21st century.

https://twitter.com/thedemocrats/status/260497619862835201

[Confused Democrat]

Feels to me like Obama is actively trying to bait Trump into a Logan Act violation.

I don't think so.

You really think he's trying to get Trump to negotiate with Russia or Israel before he takes office?

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

Feels to me like Obama is actively trying to bait Trump into a Logan Act violation.

I don't think so.

You really think he's trying to get Trump to negotiate with Russia or Israel before he takes office?

He would do that though.

[Confused Democrat]

I don't know what to make of this.

[Badger]

"russia hacked the election" is the pizzagate of the left. all the partisan hacks on both major sides are nothing short of stupid.

The proof for that is chilling right next to Iraq's WMD.

In a way, I envy people who can still treat the CIA as a reliable source.

hi guys i know "truth" is kind of a challenging concept for you people but maybe try paying attention to it for once because there are so many independent analysts who have confirmed and verified that the attacks on the DNC servers and such were committed by Russian-affiliated assets that have been publicly identified for years. I mean I guess you can stick your head in the sand and delude yourself into believing Kremlin propaganda if you really want to but I just want to clarify that your false opinions are literally the information security equivalent to denying something like global warming or the heliocentric model. I guess if you really do love denying objective facts though I hear the Flat Earth Society is looking for new members

Per usual, BK wins the thread.

[Comrade Funk]

This moron acts like he's playing the United States in a RTS game rather than leading it in the real world.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

I don't know what to make of this.

I do. I like neither Putin or Pussygrabber, but Putin played this masterfully from a PR point of view. He basically trolled Obama and said your childish temper tantrum isn't worth responding to because you're a powerless has-been. And Pussygrabber has already shown he's not going to tolerate any facts that cast a scintilla of doubt upon the idea that he won the election all by his lonesome.