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« on: December 30, 2016, 03:07:36 PM »

Are you normalizing the results of the 2016 U.S. presidential election and Donald Trump and Mike Pence's victory? Are you normalizing the Trump/Pence inauguration? Should it be normalized? Is it acceptable?
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« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2016, 03:09:44 PM »

Everyone I think you are hilarious but solely a one trick pony, I am proven so wrong XD A+
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« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2016, 03:18:25 PM »

Yes(same, normal)
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« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2016, 03:33:05 PM »

Not possible for me to 'normalize' a sexual predator. Not going to try, either.
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« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2016, 03:34:54 PM »

Not possible for me to 'normalize' a sexual predator. Not going to try, either.
Democrats normalized Bill Clinton, though.
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« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2016, 03:38:43 PM »

Donald Trump is the President-Elect of the United States. The American voters already normalized him in the ballot, there's no need for us to do it.
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« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2016, 03:53:35 PM »

Donald Trump is the President-Elect of the United States. The American voters already normalized him in the ballot, there's no need for us to do it.

And just because he is, doesn't mean we have to normalize him individually.
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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2016, 03:56:36 PM »

I already expect to participate in protests and demonstrations as I never have before. If you thought that the Tea Party response to Barack Obama was big, then wait until you see us.
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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2016, 04:11:39 PM »

No. But too many people are.

http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/11/10/trump-election-autocracy-rules-for-survival/

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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2016, 04:14:42 PM »

Are you normalizing the results of the 2016 U.S. presidential election and Donald Trump and Mike Pence's victory? Are you normalizing the Trump/Pence inauguration? Should it be normalized? Is it acceptable?
What does that even mean 'normalise' him. he's the President Elect of the United States. Its not a normal position. What difference to you do you think it would make whether you 'normalise' him or not. You either like him or you don't. Won't stop him becoming President if you don't.
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« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2016, 04:19:44 PM »

The 'normalization' nonsense upsets me, even though some very dear friends and political allies who I very much support buy into it. The guy is going to be POTUS for at least 1,460 days. He's going to be normal whether you like it or not. If you continue to reject 'normalizing' him the only thing you'll accomplish is normalizing the fact that a group of people keep calling the POTUS abnormal.
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« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2016, 04:21:48 PM »

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/30/13767174/case-for-normalizing-trump
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« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2016, 04:59:49 PM »


Well yes, there are some good arguments in there, and I'm all for anything that brings Trump and Republicans down over the next 4 years, but I won't do it myself. Not so long as such actions by me hold no direct value in the partisan fight for control of Congress/White House.
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« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2016, 06:10:15 PM »

It's nearly impossible to "normalize" Trump because it's hard to take him seriously. He looks, acts, and talks like a clown so everything he says or every threat he makes, you just laugh it off.

He's a businessman. He signs signatures on the paychecks of his employees worldwide. How can't you not take him seriously?
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« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2016, 06:26:51 PM »


No. You can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig.

He may do some good things as President, but he's still has the character of a pig and I'll never forget it.

As for Bill Clinton, it's a whole nother situation and it's quite over with him for a long time now. Trump's personality shines offensively every. single. day.
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« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2016, 07:31:40 PM »

None of the Presidents we've had for decades have been acceptable.
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« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2016, 08:21:58 PM »

Could we stop being hysterical over Trump? The Left needs to calm down. The man is going to become President. Trying to denounce him as some sort of illegitimate President is going to only intensify the anger his supporters have (plus you're delegitimizing their choice) and make them double down.

Refusing to treat him as a legitimate constitutional officer of the United States, with the powers of the Presidency (as Obama is) is only playing to his advantage.

Want to make him a winning candidate in 2020? Keep treating him this way instead of responding to actual policies and initiatives done, and stop pre-butting him. It's not helping your case. Want to make him lose? Treat him as a normal President, with policies and initiatives and tell his supporters why they're wrong instead of hysterically talking about "normalizing him." This is how Berlusconi was able to stay alive in politics because his supporters felt demonized and doubled down on the insanity just to feel legitimized.

He's already normalized. He's the President-elect of the United States, winning 30 states, and 306 electoral (304) votes.
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« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2016, 08:37:55 PM »

No way. I'll properly refer to Mr. Donald Trump as the following: Orange Madman, Lyin' Donald, Kremlin/Putin/Russia's Puppet, and/or "President" in scare quotes.

Mr. Pence will be referred to as the following: Mr. RFRA or Vice President of Bigotry.
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« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2016, 08:52:04 PM »

Could we stop being hysterical over Trump? The Left needs to calm down. The man is going to become President. Trying to denounce him as some sort of illegitimate President is going to only intensify the anger his supporters have (plus you're delegitimizing their choice) and make them double down.

Refusing to treat him as a legitimate constitutional officer of the United States, with the powers of the Presidency (as Obama is) is only playing to his advantage.

Want to make him a winning candidate in 2020? Keep treating him this way instead of responding to actual policies and initiatives done, and stop pre-butting him. It's not helping your case. Want to make him lose? Treat him as a normal President, with policies and initiatives and tell his supporters why they're wrong instead of hysterically talking about "normalizing him." This is how Berlusconi was able to stay alive in politics because his supporters felt demonized and doubled down on the insanity just to feel legitimized.

He's already normalized. He's the President-elect of the United States, winning 30 states, and 306 electoral (304) votes.

Give me an effin break!!! <rollseyes big time>

Personality-wise he's a pig and there's no getting around that fact, and there's also no forgetting it either.
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« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2016, 09:23:44 PM »

Could we stop being hysterical over Trump? The Left needs to calm down. The man is going to become President. Trying to denounce him as some sort of illegitimate President is going to only intensify the anger his supporters have (plus you're delegitimizing their choice) and make them double down.

Refusing to treat him as a legitimate constitutional officer of the United States, with the powers of the Presidency (as Obama is) is only playing to his advantage.

Never.

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Refusing to normalize Trump is not rejecting his claim to the office. Yes, he's going to be President.  He's won that office well within the law, if not the unspoken and unwritten standards of his predecessors. (Appeals to Russia and open intervention from the FBI director in his favor are NOT part of functioning democracy.)

The point of refusing to normalize him is not some technical objection to his legal assumption of the  Presidency. He's going to get that, and we can't stop it.

What we can do is refuse to pretend that his blatantly anti-democratic rhetoric is acceptable. We can refuse to play along with the illusion that he is worthy of the office he is taking. We can condemn his never-ended stream of falsehoods, reject the lies that he and his ilk spout about our country. We can continue to point out that Trump is so low it would take rocket boosters for him to get far enough up that a diseased sewer rat could look down on him.

To refuse to normalize Trump is to publicly shout that the would-be emperor has no clothes.

We can spend the Trump Administration making sure that everyone remembers that the United States of America was, is, and will be better than President Pussygrabber, and that having such a deplorable human being as President is NOT the normal state of affairs.

Every time someone refuses to normalize Puppet President Trump the Pussygrabber, they are working to make the future a better place.


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« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2016, 09:28:36 PM »

No, I would never.  Unless he starts cracking down on Russia.  Then maybe.
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« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2016, 09:32:11 PM »

Are you normalizing the results of the 2016 U.S. presidential election and Donald Trump and Mike Pence's victory? Are you normalizing the Trump/Pence inauguration? Should it be normalized? Is it acceptable?

Buzzfeed? Is that you?
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« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2016, 10:21:11 PM »

What we can do is refuse to pretend that his blatantly anti-democratic rhetoric is acceptable. We can refuse to play along with the illusion that he is worthy of the office he is taking. We can condemn his never-ended stream of falsehoods, reject the lies that he and his ilk spout about our country. We can continue to point out that Trump is so low it would take rocket boosters for him to get far enough up that a diseased sewer rat could look down on him.

To refuse to normalize Trump is to publicly shout that the would-be emperor has no clothes.
How is that any different to the way many on the right reacted to Obama the last eight years (and indeed the way some on the left reacted to Bush 43, some on the right to Clinton etc)? I think part of the result of the polaraisation of politics of the last 20 years in the US is that you always, both with D and R Presidents,  a significant (and vocal) section of people saying that the sitting President is not "worthy of the office he is taking"
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« Reply #23 on: December 30, 2016, 10:24:39 PM »

No, I would never.  Unless he starts cracking down on Russia.  Then maybe.
Why do you think it would be in America's interests to issue sanctions on Russia? Why do you think Russia is a bigger threat to America's interests than China?
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« Reply #24 on: December 30, 2016, 10:43:08 PM »

Could we stop being hysterical over Trump? The Left needs to calm down. The man is going to become President. Trying to denounce him as some sort of illegitimate President is going to only intensify the anger his supporters have (plus you're delegitimizing their choice) and make them double down.

Refusing to treat him as a legitimate constitutional officer of the United States, with the powers of the Presidency (as Obama is) is only playing to his advantage.

Want to make him a winning candidate in 2020? Keep treating him this way instead of responding to actual policies and initiatives done, and stop pre-butting him. It's not helping your case. Want to make him lose? Treat him as a normal President, with policies and initiatives and tell his supporters why they're wrong instead of hysterically talking about "normalizing him." This is how Berlusconi was able to stay alive in politics because his supporters felt demonized and doubled down on the insanity just to feel legitimized.

He's already normalized. He's the President-elect of the United States, winning 30 states, and 306 electoral (304) votes.

     You're making too much sense, so this will all be ignored. I'm certainly open to actual legitimate criticism, but pretending he is not the legitimate President is juvenile. Anyone who wants to say the Republicans did the same to Obama should look at 2012. It was stupid then and it's stupid now.
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