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Transgenderism is completely made up
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Transgenderism is a mental illness and should be treated as such - no reassignment surgery or recongization of a new gender should be provided
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Transgenderism is a fully real thing and we should treat people according to their new gender, although allowing them into their new gender's bathroom or locker room may be too risky
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Transgenderism is a fully real thing and we should treat people according to their new gender, including in terms of bathroom and locker room access
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« Reply #50 on: January 09, 2017, 12:11:55 AM »

For locker rooms, my concern is that someone could pretend to be transgender for an excuse to see naked women and leer at them (though I doubt an actual rapist would be deterred by a sign). Also, the other people in that locker room may not know/realize that that person is transgender.

But doesn't the existence of homosexual people already lead to this being a potential problem? And like you said, a sign won't stop rapists.
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« Reply #51 on: January 09, 2017, 10:56:42 AM »

I don't know any trans people IRL and I still have a hard time understanding it. I know plenty of gay/lesbian people, including family. It's a tough situation - everyone should be comfortable in their own skin. I encourage adults who know they have the wrong sex at birth to get reassignment procedures, for their own comfort and happiness.

As for the bathroom debate, go to Europe. Public restrooms are unisex with lockable doors. No reason we can't do that here more and defang the debate, which has reasonable concerns on both sides
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« Reply #52 on: January 09, 2017, 11:08:25 AM »

Let's dispel with this myth that bathroom signs stop rapists.

But dude, a bathroom is a "Rape Free Zone."  Putting a sign on the wall will scare the SH|T out of the rapist.
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« Reply #53 on: January 09, 2017, 02:21:36 PM »

They exist, they are human beings, and bullying is bad.
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« Reply #54 on: January 09, 2017, 04:54:16 PM »

As for the bathroom debate, go to Europe. Public restrooms are unisex with lockable doors. No reason we can't do that here more and defang the debate, which has reasonable concerns on both sides

Far from a universal thing; common in small places like restaurants or wee cafes where you have no space so having two separate toilet rooms is the best use of space and at that point why bother gendering them (although lots of places still do, it baffles me) but lots of public conveniences are gendered and big multi-cubicle rooms.
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« Reply #55 on: January 09, 2017, 05:07:04 PM »

For locker rooms, my concern is that someone could pretend to be transgender for an excuse to see naked women and leer at them (though I doubt an actual rapist would be deterred by a sign). Also, the other people in that locker room may not know/realize that that person is transgender.

But doesn't the existence of homosexual people already lead to this being a potential problem? And like you said, a sign won't stop rapists.

     Yeah, there's a host of issues that forcing people to use the bathroom/locker room of their biological sex doesn't solve, and another host of issues it creates. The status quo was really the best way with this.
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« Reply #56 on: January 09, 2017, 06:17:05 PM »

As for the bathroom debate, go to Europe. Public restrooms are unisex with lockable doors. No reason we can't do that here more and defang the debate, which has reasonable concerns on both sides

Far from a universal thing; common in small places like restaurants or wee cafes where you have no space so having two separate toilet rooms is the best use of space and at that point why bother gendering them (although lots of places still do, it baffles me) but lots of public conveniences are gendered and big multi-cubicle rooms.

They seemed pretty universal in bigger public accommodations in Sweden (department stores, train station, etc)
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« Reply #57 on: January 10, 2017, 09:51:53 AM »

I'd like to add a different option: whatever gender people psychologically identify with is nobody's business but their own.
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« Reply #58 on: January 10, 2017, 10:01:05 AM »

As for the bathroom debate, go to Europe. Public restrooms are unisex with lockable doors. No reason we can't do that here more and defang the debate, which has reasonable concerns on both sides

Far from a universal thing; common in small places like restaurants or wee cafes where you have no space so having two separate toilet rooms is the best use of space and at that point why bother gendering them (although lots of places still do, it baffles me) but lots of public conveniences are gendered and big multi-cubicle rooms.

They seemed pretty universal in bigger public accommodations in Sweden (department stores, train station, etc)

Sweden =/= Europe though; Europe is a very big diverse place and things are different wherever you go.  I've never seen what you've seen in the places I've been (the UK, Belgium, Strasbourg, Berlin, Krakow and Lithuania - clarifying cities when I've only ever been to a single place in a country).
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« Reply #59 on: January 10, 2017, 11:49:03 AM »

As for the bathroom debate, go to Europe. Public restrooms are unisex with lockable doors. No reason we can't do that here more and defang the debate, which has reasonable concerns on both sides

Far from a universal thing; common in small places like restaurants or wee cafes where you have no space so having two separate toilet rooms is the best use of space and at that point why bother gendering them (although lots of places still do, it baffles me) but lots of public conveniences are gendered and big multi-cubicle rooms.

They seemed pretty universal in bigger public accommodations in Sweden (department stores, train station, etc)

Sweden =/= Europe though; Europe is a very big diverse place and things are different wherever you go.  I've never seen what you've seen in the places I've been (the UK, Belgium, Strasbourg, Berlin, Krakow and Lithuania - clarifying cities when I've only ever been to a single place in a country).
Yeah, been to over 20 countries in Europe by now (I think) and this isn't common at all.
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« Reply #60 on: January 10, 2017, 04:17:50 PM »

I've literally never come across a unisex public toilet in this country other than 'this cafe is a small cafe it has one toilet' and that doesn't really count.
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« Reply #61 on: January 10, 2017, 04:20:27 PM »

I don't mean to be cold but I really haven't given it any serious thought and I probably won't.  Live and be who you are.....
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« Reply #62 on: January 11, 2017, 12:47:43 AM »

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« Reply #63 on: January 11, 2017, 05:02:58 AM »

I am living on gender lines.
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« Reply #64 on: January 13, 2017, 05:34:04 AM »

None of the above. I'd prefer to offend everyone by firmly stating that transgenderism is a mental disease, but that gender reassignment may (or may not be) the best solution depending on the individual in question and that should be fine.

And "genderqueer" people are god damn weirdos. And the bathroom thing wouldn't be a problem without those kinds of bad apples.
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« Reply #65 on: February 20, 2017, 11:35:23 AM »

My view regarding the phrase "transgender individuals" is that the ongoing cannibalization of the word "people" by "individuals" on one front and "folks" on another is one of the most unlovely current trends in English.

Scarlet, I agree with almost all of what you're saying, but

Its almost impossible to lose weight once you gain it,

Can't confirm. My weight fluctuates a good deal based on the factors one would expect--how I'm eating and exercising and my stress levels. (This is actually unhealthier than being consistently slightly or moderately overweight, but it does mean that I could keep the weight off if I were able to eat well, exercise, and avoid constant stress for a decent length of time.)

Can someone please explain this to me? I asked about this a while ago, and why it was happening, but never got a straight answer.
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« Reply #66 on: February 20, 2017, 02:04:45 PM »

None of the above. I'd prefer to offend everyone by firmly stating that transgenderism is a mental disease, but that gender reassignment may (or may not be) the best solution depending on the individual in question and that should be fine.

And "genderqueer" people are god damn weirdos. And the bathroom thing wouldn't be a problem without those kinds of bad apples.
sounds like a pretty normal, not horrible response to be honest.
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« Reply #67 on: February 20, 2017, 02:48:17 PM »

None of the above. I'd prefer to offend everyone by firmly stating that transgenderism is a mental disease, but that gender reassignment may (or may not be) the best solution depending on the individual in question and that should be fine.

And "genderqueer" people are god damn weirdos. And the bathroom thing wouldn't be a problem without those kinds of bad apples.
sounds like a pretty normal, not horrible response to be honest.

Communitarian/Populist centrism is a mental disease.
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« Reply #68 on: February 20, 2017, 03:53:30 PM »

None of the above. I'd prefer to offend everyone by firmly stating that transgenderism is a mental disease, but that gender reassignment may (or may not be) the best solution depending on the individual in question and that should be fine.

And "genderqueer" people are god damn weirdos. And the bathroom thing wouldn't be a problem without those kinds of bad apples.
sounds like a pretty normal, not horrible response to be honest.

Please let normal, not horrible people decide that.
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« Reply #69 on: February 20, 2017, 10:23:30 PM »

It's a complex issue and I apologize for my tone in an earlier post.

The basic point of all of it is : Just be who you are....  If you feel in your heart you are a woman, and work so hard to match the outside with the inside, then I think its common courtesy for people to respect that, even if they don't fully understand it.
another decent, not-obnoxious answer.
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