Opinion of Ho Chi Minh

[EnglishPete]

Ironically, Ho Cji Minh was a huge fan of the US Declaration of Independence and US Constitution

Well why shouldn't he be grateful to the US? Firstly Truman, Marshall and all the various communist agents working in the State Department had completely sabotaged the war effort against the communists in China. Having stabbed Chiang Kai-shek in the back in the mainland they were about to do the same in Taiwan and South Korea when Joe McCarthy burst on the scene with his allegations about communists in the State department. This forced Truman to start to show some success against the reds and probably saved both places.

Nevertheless having a communist giant next door helping with your war effort whilst the US completely failed to help the French with theirs must have been a big help.

Then there was the war in South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. Now isn't it curious that a country that had succeeded in defeating the Industrial giants of Germany and Japan at the same time and their huge armies was, a few years later, unable to defeat a little country like North Vietnam. Could it not have won if it had used the same tactics that were used against Germany and Japan? Of course it could but in Vietnam a totally different set of tactics were used.

As I mentioned above a 'no win' strategy was carried out by Truman and Kissinger, which was designed to demoralise the American public to soften them up for detente with communist China and the Soviets at the same time as selling out the whole of Indochina to the communists.

Yes Ho and the Vietnamese communist party had every reason to be grateful to the US

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

Ironically, Ho Cji Minh was a huge fan of the US Declaration of Independence and US Constitution

Well why shouldn't he be grateful to the US? Firstly Truman, Marshall and all the various communist agents working in the State Department had completely sabotaged the war effort against the communists in China. Having stabbed Chiang Kai-shek in the back in the mainland they were about to do the same in Taiwan and South Korea when Joe McCarthy burst on the scene with his allegations about communists in the State department. This forced Truman to start to show some success against the reds and probably saved both places.

Nevertheless having a communist giant next door helping with your war effort whilst the US completely failed to help the French with theirs must have been a big help.

Then there was the war in South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. Now isn't it curious that a country that had succeeded in defeating the Industrial giants of Germany and Japan at the same time and their huge armies was, a few years later, unable to defeat a little country like North Vietnam. Could it not have won if it had used the same tactics that were used against Germany and Japan? Of course it could but in Vietnam a totally different set of tactics were used.

As I mentioned above a 'no win' strategy was carried out by Truman and Kissinger, which was designed to demoralise the American public to soften them up for detente with communist China and the Soviets at the same time as selling out the whole of Indochina to the communists.

Yes Ho and the Vietnamese communist party had every reason to be grateful to the US

lol

[EnglishPete]

Ironically, Ho Cji Minh was a huge fan of the US Declaration of Independence and US Constitution

Well why shouldn't he be grateful to the US? Firstly Truman, Marshall and all the various communist agents working in the State Department had completely sabotaged the war effort against the communists in China. Having stabbed Chiang Kai-shek in the back in the mainland they were about to do the same in Taiwan and South Korea when Joe McCarthy burst on the scene with his allegations about communists in the State department. This forced Truman to start to show some success against the reds and probably saved both places.

Nevertheless having a communist giant next door helping with your war effort whilst the US completely failed to help the French with theirs must have been a big help.

Then there was the war in South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. Now isn't it curious that a country that had succeeded in defeating the Industrial giants of Germany and Japan at the same time and their huge armies was, a few years later, unable to defeat a little country like North Vietnam. Could it not have won if it had used the same tactics that were used against Germany and Japan? Of course it could but in Vietnam a totally different set of tactics were used.

As I mentioned above a 'no win' strategy was carried out by Truman and Kissinger, which was designed to demoralise the American public to soften them up for detente with communist China and the Soviets at the same time as selling out the whole of Indochina to the communists.

Yes Ho and the Vietnamese communist party had every reason to be grateful to the US

lol

That will be your cognitive dissonance.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

Ironically, Ho Cji Minh was a huge fan of the US Declaration of Independence and US Constitution

Well why shouldn't he be grateful to the US? Firstly Truman, Marshall and all the various communist agents working in the State Department had completely sabotaged the war effort against the communists in China. Having stabbed Chiang Kai-shek in the back in the mainland they were about to do the same in Taiwan and South Korea when Joe McCarthy burst on the scene with his allegations about communists in the State department. This forced Truman to start to show some success against the reds and probably saved both places.

Nevertheless having a communist giant next door helping with your war effort whilst the US completely failed to help the French with theirs must have been a big help.

Then there was the war in South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. Now isn't it curious that a country that had succeeded in defeating the Industrial giants of Germany and Japan at the same time and their huge armies was, a few years later, unable to defeat a little country like North Vietnam. Could it not have won if it had used the same tactics that were used against Germany and Japan? Of course it could but in Vietnam a totally different set of tactics were used.

As I mentioned above a 'no win' strategy was carried out by Truman and Kissinger, which was designed to demoralise the American public to soften them up for detente with communist China and the Soviets at the same time as selling out the whole of Indochina to the communists.

Yes Ho and the Vietnamese communist party had every reason to be grateful to the US

lol

That will be your cognitive dissonance.

lol

[EnglishPete]

Ironically, Ho Cji Minh was a huge fan of the US Declaration of Independence and US Constitution

Well why shouldn't he be grateful to the US? Firstly Truman, Marshall and all the various communist agents working in the State Department had completely sabotaged the war effort against the communists in China. Having stabbed Chiang Kai-shek in the back in the mainland they were about to do the same in Taiwan and South Korea when Joe McCarthy burst on the scene with his allegations about communists in the State department. This forced Truman to start to show some success against the reds and probably saved both places.

Nevertheless having a communist giant next door helping with your war effort whilst the US completely failed to help the French with theirs must have been a big help.

Then there was the war in South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. Now isn't it curious that a country that had succeeded in defeating the Industrial giants of Germany and Japan at the same time and their huge armies was, a few years later, unable to defeat a little country like North Vietnam. Could it not have won if it had used the same tactics that were used against Germany and Japan? Of course it could but in Vietnam a totally different set of tactics were used.

As I mentioned above a 'no win' strategy was carried out by Truman and Kissinger, which was designed to demoralise the American public to soften them up for detente with communist China and the Soviets at the same time as selling out the whole of Indochina to the communists.

Yes Ho and the Vietnamese communist party had every reason to be grateful to the US

lol

That will be your cognitive dissonance.

lol

That's it again. A clear statement of the facts that doesn't fit in with your existing mental 'narrative' about cold war history will have that effect.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

Ironically, Ho Cji Minh was a huge fan of the US Declaration of Independence and US Constitution

Well why shouldn't he be grateful to the US? Firstly Truman, Marshall and all the various communist agents working in the State Department had completely sabotaged the war effort against the communists in China. Having stabbed Chiang Kai-shek in the back in the mainland they were about to do the same in Taiwan and South Korea when Joe McCarthy burst on the scene with his allegations about communists in the State department. This forced Truman to start to show some success against the reds and probably saved both places.

Nevertheless having a communist giant next door helping with your war effort whilst the US completely failed to help the French with theirs must have been a big help.

Then there was the war in South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. Now isn't it curious that a country that had succeeded in defeating the Industrial giants of Germany and Japan at the same time and their huge armies was, a few years later, unable to defeat a little country like North Vietnam. Could it not have won if it had used the same tactics that were used against Germany and Japan? Of course it could but in Vietnam a totally different set of tactics were used.

As I mentioned above a 'no win' strategy was carried out by Truman and Kissinger, which was designed to demoralise the American public to soften them up for detente with communist China and the Soviets at the same time as selling out the whole of Indochina to the communists.

Yes Ho and the Vietnamese communist party had every reason to be grateful to the US

lol

That will be your cognitive dissonance.

lol

That's it again. A clear statement of the facts that doesn't fit in with your existing mental 'narrative' about cold war history will have that effect.

lol

[EnglishPete]

Ironically, Ho Cji Minh was a huge fan of the US Declaration of Independence and US Constitution

Well why shouldn't he be grateful to the US? Firstly Truman, Marshall and all the various communist agents working in the State Department had completely sabotaged the war effort against the communists in China. Having stabbed Chiang Kai-shek in the back in the mainland they were about to do the same in Taiwan and South Korea when Joe McCarthy burst on the scene with his allegations about communists in the State department. This forced Truman to start to show some success against the reds and probably saved both places.

Nevertheless having a communist giant next door helping with your war effort whilst the US completely failed to help the French with theirs must have been a big help.

Then there was the war in South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. Now isn't it curious that a country that had succeeded in defeating the Industrial giants of Germany and Japan at the same time and their huge armies was, a few years later, unable to defeat a little country like North Vietnam. Could it not have won if it had used the same tactics that were used against Germany and Japan? Of course it could but in Vietnam a totally different set of tactics were used.

As I mentioned above a 'no win' strategy was carried out by Truman and Kissinger, which was designed to demoralise the American public to soften them up for detente with communist China and the Soviets at the same time as selling out the whole of Indochina to the communists.

Yes Ho and the Vietnamese communist party had every reason to be grateful to the US

lol

That will be your cognitive dissonance.

lol

That's it again. A clear statement of the facts that doesn't fit in with your existing mental 'narrative' about cold war history will have that effect.

lol

OK then. What's your explanation for why the greatest industrial nation on earth managed to lose a war to a small third world communist country?

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

Ironically, Ho Cji Minh was a huge fan of the US Declaration of Independence and US Constitution

Well why shouldn't he be grateful to the US? Firstly Truman, Marshall and all the various communist agents working in the State Department had completely sabotaged the war effort against the communists in China. Having stabbed Chiang Kai-shek in the back in the mainland they were about to do the same in Taiwan and South Korea when Joe McCarthy burst on the scene with his allegations about communists in the State department. This forced Truman to start to show some success against the reds and probably saved both places.

Nevertheless having a communist giant next door helping with your war effort whilst the US completely failed to help the French with theirs must have been a big help.

Then there was the war in South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. Now isn't it curious that a country that had succeeded in defeating the Industrial giants of Germany and Japan at the same time and their huge armies was, a few years later, unable to defeat a little country like North Vietnam. Could it not have won if it had used the same tactics that were used against Germany and Japan? Of course it could but in Vietnam a totally different set of tactics were used.

As I mentioned above a 'no win' strategy was carried out by Truman and Kissinger, which was designed to demoralise the American public to soften them up for detente with communist China and the Soviets at the same time as selling out the whole of Indochina to the communists.

Yes Ho and the Vietnamese communist party had every reason to be grateful to the US

lol

That will be your cognitive dissonance.

lol

That's it again. A clear statement of the facts that doesn't fit in with your existing mental 'narrative' about cold war history will have that effect.

lol

OK then. What's your explanation for why the greatest industrial nation on earth managed to lose a war to a small third world communist country?

They had lots of help from the soviets and china, plus, they were on their home turf, jungle is really hard to attack and easy to defend, giving Vietnam a powerful defensive advantage, the US gave up early because it was obviously not worth it to keep fighting, etc.

Similar to the American Revolution.

Should have just replied with ""

[SATW]

Ironically, Ho Cji Minh was a huge fan of the US Declaration of Independence and US Constitution

Well why shouldn't he be grateful to the US? Firstly Truman, Marshall and all the various communist agents working in the State Department had completely sabotaged the war effort against the communists in China. Having stabbed Chiang Kai-shek in the back in the mainland they were about to do the same in Taiwan and South Korea when Joe McCarthy burst on the scene with his allegations about communists in the State department. This forced Truman to start to show some success against the reds and probably saved both places.

Nevertheless having a communist giant next door helping with your war effort whilst the US completely failed to help the French with theirs must have been a big help.

Then there was the war in South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. Now isn't it curious that a country that had succeeded in defeating the Industrial giants of Germany and Japan at the same time and their huge armies was, a few years later, unable to defeat a little country like North Vietnam. Could it not have won if it had used the same tactics that were used against Germany and Japan? Of course it could but in Vietnam a totally different set of tactics were used.

As I mentioned above a 'no win' strategy was carried out by Truman and Kissinger, which was designed to demoralise the American public to soften them up for detente with communist China and the Soviets at the same time as selling out the whole of Indochina to the communists.

Yes Ho and the Vietnamese communist party had every reason to be grateful to the US

So, tell me, are you a far-right lunatic who binges off John Birch Society garbage, or are you an antisemitic poster who is using "communist" as a codeword for Jews? (we all know that Truman had a decent amount of Jewish staffers and that the crazy train constantly accused them of being communist agents).

[EnglishPete]

Ironically, Ho Cji Minh was a huge fan of the US Declaration of Independence and US Constitution

Well why shouldn't he be grateful to the US? Firstly Truman, Marshall and all the various communist agents working in the State Department had completely sabotaged the war effort against the communists in China. Having stabbed Chiang Kai-shek in the back in the mainland they were about to do the same in Taiwan and South Korea when Joe McCarthy burst on the scene with his allegations about communists in the State department. This forced Truman to start to show some success against the reds and probably saved both places.

Nevertheless having a communist giant next door helping with your war effort whilst the US completely failed to help the French with theirs must have been a big help.

Then there was the war in South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. Now isn't it curious that a country that had succeeded in defeating the Industrial giants of Germany and Japan at the same time and their huge armies was, a few years later, unable to defeat a little country like North Vietnam. Could it not have won if it had used the same tactics that were used against Germany and Japan? Of course it could but in Vietnam a totally different set of tactics were used.

As I mentioned above a 'no win' strategy was carried out by Truman and Kissinger, which was designed to demoralise the American public to soften them up for detente with communist China and the Soviets at the same time as selling out the whole of Indochina to the communists.

Yes Ho and the Vietnamese communist party had every reason to be grateful to the US

lol

That will be your cognitive dissonance.

lol

That's it again. A clear statement of the facts that doesn't fit in with your existing mental 'narrative' about cold war history will have that effect.

lol

OK then. What's your explanation for why the greatest industrial nation on earth managed to lose a war to a small third world communist country?

They had lots of help from the soviets and china, plus, they were on their home turf, jungle is really hard to attack and easy to defend, giving Vietnam a powerful defensive advantage, the US gave up early because it was obviously not worth it to keep fighting, etc.

Similar to the American Revolution.

Should have just replied with ""

British managed to win against the communists in Malaysia. Besides which the North Vietnamese weren't on their home turf. The fighting was all done in South Vietnam. The South Vietnamese were fighting a defensive war on home turf. By your logic they should have won the war.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

Ironically, Ho Cji Minh was a huge fan of the US Declaration of Independence and US Constitution

Well why shouldn't he be grateful to the US? Firstly Truman, Marshall and all the various communist agents working in the State Department had completely sabotaged the war effort against the communists in China. Having stabbed Chiang Kai-shek in the back in the mainland they were about to do the same in Taiwan and South Korea when Joe McCarthy burst on the scene with his allegations about communists in the State department. This forced Truman to start to show some success against the reds and probably saved both places.

Nevertheless having a communist giant next door helping with your war effort whilst the US completely failed to help the French with theirs must have been a big help.

Then there was the war in South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. Now isn't it curious that a country that had succeeded in defeating the Industrial giants of Germany and Japan at the same time and their huge armies was, a few years later, unable to defeat a little country like North Vietnam. Could it not have won if it had used the same tactics that were used against Germany and Japan? Of course it could but in Vietnam a totally different set of tactics were used.

As I mentioned above a 'no win' strategy was carried out by Truman and Kissinger, which was designed to demoralise the American public to soften them up for detente with communist China and the Soviets at the same time as selling out the whole of Indochina to the communists.

Yes Ho and the Vietnamese communist party had every reason to be grateful to the US

lol

That will be your cognitive dissonance.

lol

That's it again. A clear statement of the facts that doesn't fit in with your existing mental 'narrative' about cold war history will have that effect.

lol

OK then. What's your explanation for why the greatest industrial nation on earth managed to lose a war to a small third world communist country?

They had lots of help from the soviets and china, plus, they were on their home turf, jungle is really hard to attack and easy to defend, giving Vietnam a powerful defensive advantage, the US gave up early because it was obviously not worth it to keep fighting, etc.

Similar to the American Revolution.

Should have just replied with ""

British managed to win against the communists in Malaysia. Besides which the North Vietnamese weren't on their home turf. The fighting was all done in South Vietnam. The South Vietnamese were fighting a defensive war on home turf. By your logic they should have won the war.

[EnglishPete]

Ironically, Ho Cji Minh was a huge fan of the US Declaration of Independence and US Constitution

Well why shouldn't he be grateful to the US? Firstly Truman, Marshall and all the various communist agents working in the State Department had completely sabotaged the war effort against the communists in China. Having stabbed Chiang Kai-shek in the back in the mainland they were about to do the same in Taiwan and South Korea when Joe McCarthy burst on the scene with his allegations about communists in the State department. This forced Truman to start to show some success against the reds and probably saved both places.

Nevertheless having a communist giant next door helping with your war effort whilst the US completely failed to help the French with theirs must have been a big help.

Then there was the war in South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. Now isn't it curious that a country that had succeeded in defeating the Industrial giants of Germany and Japan at the same time and their huge armies was, a few years later, unable to defeat a little country like North Vietnam. Could it not have won if it had used the same tactics that were used against Germany and Japan? Of course it could but in Vietnam a totally different set of tactics were used.

As I mentioned above a 'no win' strategy was carried out by Truman and Kissinger, which was designed to demoralise the American public to soften them up for detente with communist China and the Soviets at the same time as selling out the whole of Indochina to the communists.

Yes Ho and the Vietnamese communist party had every reason to be grateful to the US

So, tell me, are you a far-right lunatic who binges off John Birch Society garbage, or are you an antisemitic poster who is using "communist" as a codeword for Jews? (we all know that Truman had a decent amount of Jewish staffers and that the crazy train constantly accused them of being communist agents).

Good grief. I just replied to you in the 'Jerusalem Embassy' thread agreeing with you that the canard that 'Israel runs US foreign policy' is nonsense and that a whole series of US Presidents have stabbed Israel in the back whilst pretending to be a supporter of Israel.

Here I'm just pointing out examples of US Presidents doing the same to anti-communists around the world, pretending to support them whilst stabbing them in the back. Its the same policy, carried out for the same reason.

[Intell]

Ironically, Ho Cji Minh was a huge fan of the US Declaration of Independence and US Constitution

Well why shouldn't he be grateful to the US? Firstly Truman, Marshall and all the various communist agents working in the State Department had completely sabotaged the war effort against the communists in China. Having stabbed Chiang Kai-shek in the back in the mainland they were about to do the same in Taiwan and South Korea when Joe McCarthy burst on the scene with his allegations about communists in the State department. This forced Truman to start to show some success against the reds and probably saved both places.

Nevertheless having a communist giant next door helping with your war effort whilst the US completely failed to help the French with theirs must have been a big help.

Then there was the war in South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. Now isn't it curious that a country that had succeeded in defeating the Industrial giants of Germany and Japan at the same time and their huge armies was, a few years later, unable to defeat a little country like North Vietnam. Could it not have won if it had used the same tactics that were used against Germany and Japan? Of course it could but in Vietnam a totally different set of tactics were used.

As I mentioned above a 'no win' strategy was carried out by Truman and Kissinger, which was designed to demoralise the American public to soften them up for detente with communist China and the Soviets at the same time as selling out the whole of Indochina to the communists.

Yes Ho and the Vietnamese communist party had every reason to be grateful to the US

So, tell me, are you a far-right lunatic who binges off John Birch Society garbage, or are you an antisemitic poster who is using "communist" as a codeword for Jews? (we all know that Truman had a decent amount of Jewish staffers and that the crazy train constantly accused them of being communist agents).

Good grief. I just replied to you in the 'Jerusalem Embassy' thread agreeing with you that the canard that 'Israel runs US foreign policy' is nonsense and that a whole series of US Presidents have stabbed Israel in the back whilst pretending to be a supporter of Israel.

Here I'm just pointing out examples of US Presidents doing the same to anti-communists around the world, pretending to support them whilst stabbing them in the back. Its the same policy, carried out for the same reason.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

Ironically, Ho Cji Minh was a huge fan of the US Declaration of Independence and US Constitution

Well why shouldn't he be grateful to the US? Firstly Truman, Marshall and all the various communist agents working in the State Department had completely sabotaged the war effort against the communists in China. Having stabbed Chiang Kai-shek in the back in the mainland they were about to do the same in Taiwan and South Korea when Joe McCarthy burst on the scene with his allegations about communists in the State department. This forced Truman to start to show some success against the reds and probably saved both places.

Nevertheless having a communist giant next door helping with your war effort whilst the US completely failed to help the French with theirs must have been a big help.

Then there was the war in South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. Now isn't it curious that a country that had succeeded in defeating the Industrial giants of Germany and Japan at the same time and their huge armies was, a few years later, unable to defeat a little country like North Vietnam. Could it not have won if it had used the same tactics that were used against Germany and Japan? Of course it could but in Vietnam a totally different set of tactics were used.

As I mentioned above a 'no win' strategy was carried out by Truman and Kissinger, which was designed to demoralise the American public to soften them up for detente with communist China and the Soviets at the same time as selling out the whole of Indochina to the communists.

Yes Ho and the Vietnamese communist party had every reason to be grateful to the US

So, tell me, are you a far-right lunatic who binges off John Birch Society garbage, or are you an antisemitic poster who is using "communist" as a codeword for Jews? (we all know that Truman had a decent amount of Jewish staffers and that the crazy train constantly accused them of being communist agents).

Good grief. I just replied to you in the 'Jerusalem Embassy' thread agreeing with you that the canard that 'Israel runs US foreign policy' is nonsense and that a whole series of US Presidents have stabbed Israel in the back whilst pretending to be a supporter of Israel.

Here I'm just pointing out examples of US Presidents doing the same to anti-communists around the world, pretending to support them whilst stabbing them in the back. Its the same policy, carried out for the same reason.

[EnglishPete]

British managed to win against the communists in Malaysia. Besides which the North Vietnamese weren't on their home turf. The fighting was all done in South Vietnam. The South Vietnamese were fighting a defensive war on home turf. By your logic they should have won the war.

Oh dear. Now you're disputing that the South Vietnamese lost the war. I think what you're getting at here is the notion that the government of North Vietnam was more popular amongst the population of South Vietnam than the government of South Vietnam was and that they welcomed the North Vietnamese invasion. If that's what you're getting at then maybe you could provide some evidence for this extraordinary claim. If not then the fact remains that the South Vietnamese lost the war.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

British managed to win against the communists in Malaysia. Besides which the North Vietnamese weren't on their home turf. The fighting was all done in South Vietnam. The South Vietnamese were fighting a defensive war on home turf. By your logic they should have won the war.

Oh dear. Now you're disputing that the South Vietnamese lost the war. I think what you're getting at here is the notion that the government of North Vietnam was more popular amongst the population of South Vietnam than the government of South Vietnam was and that they welcomed the North Vietnamese invasion. If that's what you're getting at then maybe you could provide some evidence for this extraordinary claim. If not then the fact remains that the South Vietnamese lost the war.

[EnglishPete]

Ironically, Ho Cji Minh was a huge fan of the US Declaration of Independence and US Constitution

Well why shouldn't he be grateful to the US? Firstly Truman, Marshall and all the various communist agents working in the State Department had completely sabotaged the war effort against the communists in China. Having stabbed Chiang Kai-shek in the back in the mainland they were about to do the same in Taiwan and South Korea when Joe McCarthy burst on the scene with his allegations about communists in the State department. This forced Truman to start to show some success against the reds and probably saved both places.

Nevertheless having a communist giant next door helping with your war effort whilst the US completely failed to help the French with theirs must have been a big help.

Then there was the war in South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. Now isn't it curious that a country that had succeeded in defeating the Industrial giants of Germany and Japan at the same time and their huge armies was, a few years later, unable to defeat a little country like North Vietnam. Could it not have won if it had used the same tactics that were used against Germany and Japan? Of course it could but in Vietnam a totally different set of tactics were used.

As I mentioned above a 'no win' strategy was carried out by Truman and Kissinger, which was designed to demoralise the American public to soften them up for detente with communist China and the Soviets at the same time as selling out the whole of Indochina to the communists.

Yes Ho and the Vietnamese communist party had every reason to be grateful to the US

So, tell me, are you a far-right lunatic who binges off John Birch Society garbage, or are you an antisemitic poster who is using "communist" as a codeword for Jews? (we all know that Truman had a decent amount of Jewish staffers and that the crazy train constantly accused them of being communist agents).

Since Scarlet Sun is chosing not to explain her opinions on cold war history perhaps you could explain what exactly you think is factually incorrect in what I've said there?

As for McCarthy accusing people of being Communist agents 'because they were Jews' he never did this. He accused people like

Owen Lattimore
John Service
Dorothy Kenyon
Haldore Hanson
Esther Brunnauer
Gustavo Duran
Annie Lee Moss etc etc

of being communist agents because that's exactly what they were.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

Ironically, Ho Cji Minh was a huge fan of the US Declaration of Independence and US Constitution

Well why shouldn't he be grateful to the US? Firstly Truman, Marshall and all the various communist agents working in the State Department had completely sabotaged the war effort against the communists in China. Having stabbed Chiang Kai-shek in the back in the mainland they were about to do the same in Taiwan and South Korea when Joe McCarthy burst on the scene with his allegations about communists in the State department. This forced Truman to start to show some success against the reds and probably saved both places.

Nevertheless having a communist giant next door helping with your war effort whilst the US completely failed to help the French with theirs must have been a big help.

Then there was the war in South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. Now isn't it curious that a country that had succeeded in defeating the Industrial giants of Germany and Japan at the same time and their huge armies was, a few years later, unable to defeat a little country like North Vietnam. Could it not have won if it had used the same tactics that were used against Germany and Japan? Of course it could but in Vietnam a totally different set of tactics were used.

As I mentioned above a 'no win' strategy was carried out by Truman and Kissinger, which was designed to demoralise the American public to soften them up for detente with communist China and the Soviets at the same time as selling out the whole of Indochina to the communists.

Yes Ho and the Vietnamese communist party had every reason to be grateful to the US

So, tell me, are you a far-right lunatic who binges off John Birch Society garbage, or are you an antisemitic poster who is using "communist" as a codeword for Jews? (we all know that Truman had a decent amount of Jewish staffers and that the crazy train constantly accused them of being communist agents).

Since Scarlet Sun is chosing not to explain her opinions on cold war history perhaps you could explain what exactly you think is factually incorrect in what I've said there?

As for McCarthy accusing people of being Communist agents 'because they were Jews' he never did this. He accused people like

Owen Lattimore
John Service
Dorothy Kenyon
Haldore Hanson
Esther Brunnauer
Gustavo Duran
Annie Lee Moss etc etc

of being communist agents because that's exactly what they were.

lol

[EnglishPete]

Just pointing out that it was possible to win a war against communists at the time



The American government just wasn't trying to win.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

Just pointing out that it was possible to win a war against communists at the time



The American government just wasn't trying to win.

[White Trash]

Just pointing out that it was possible to win a war against communists at the time



The American government just wasn't trying to win.

Respond to him dude. The s and lols ain't working.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

Just pointing out that it was possible to win a war against communists at the time



The American government just wasn't trying to win.

Respond to him dude. The s and lols ain't working.

Don't feel like it. Its more funny to refuse. Not like facts would change his mind anyway.

[SATW]

Scarlet Sun makes virtually no substantive posts on this forum. She is a FF and nice poster but anytime she doesn't agree or like something, she responds with "'s" "lol's", or "you're a horrible person".

I certainly understand not wanting to respond to people who are not likely to engage in productive conversations but in that case it's just better not to respond at all then post sarcastic smileys, imo.

As to my original post here and EnglishPete's reponse. I apologize for accusing you of antisemitism. I haven't read any of your other posts and had no reason to jump straight to that accusation.

That being said, still don't agree with your logic. I'm strongly anti-communist but not a fan of McCarthyite ideology either.

[EnglishPete]

Scarlet Sun makes virtually no substantive posts on this forum. She is a FF and nice poster but anytime she doesn't agree or like something, she responds with "'s" "lol's", or "you're a horrible person".

I certainly understand not wanting to respond to people who are not likely to engage in productive conversations but in that case it's just better not to respond at all then post sarcastic smileys, imo.

As to my original post here and EnglishPete's reponse. I apologize for accusing you of antisemitism. I haven't read any of your other posts and had no reason to jump straight to that accusation.

That being said, still don't agree with your logic. I'm strongly anti-communist but not a fan of McCarthyite ideology either.

Thanks. In early modern times various kings and other royal rulers would try and placate public anger by overtaxed subjects by putting the blame on courtiers, finance ministers or financial advisors and making them the scapegoat. Execution of these individuals, who were sometimes Jewish (so called 'Court Jews') would be used as a way of appeasing the mob in lieu of actually giving any of the money back. Ordinary people with no clear knowledge of the power relationships involved would fall for this trick.

I think something similar is going on with this 'Israel controls our foreign policy' meme, encouraged by anti Israeli media. People see prominent Jews working in senior positions in finance, the media and as government advisors. They misunderstand the real power relationship going on here and think the tail is wagging the dog, a misapprehension the US government is happy to allow to fester.

As for many Jewish people being named as communists it is simply a historical fact that a massively disproportionately high number of those communists in senior positions were communist. Again anti-semites like to jump on this fact but there's no sinister conspiracy behind it. As social 'outsiders' in traditionally Christian countries many Jewish people were attracted to the left and indeed the far left. Also having a strong tradition of education made them disproportionately likely to gain professional standing. Also the left was happy to champion Jewish causes.

Now that Jewish people have their own state that they are able to defend themselves they're no longer any good for the left to play the role of poor put upon victims needing the left's help and much of the left has turned on them, giving the lie to the idea that communism is a 'Jewish conspiracy'

[EnglishPete]

For those here who are ignorant of the US military's Rules of engagement for the Vietnam war and how they (deliberately in my view) caused the US to lose the War here are a couple of interesting links

http://libertyunderfire.org/2010/08/fighting-with-one-hand-tied-behind-our-back-in-vietnam-and-afghanistan/

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http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/1995/DM.htm

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