Bernie would have won music video

[Derpist]

Yes. Thank god you guys chose poorly.

[uti2]

Unlikely.  Note that the GOP actually won the House vote by 1% and would have won it by more if GOP and Dems had candidates in all districts (a lot districts in NY and CA had no GOP candidates.)  Clinton won a lot of GOP House crossover votes that Sanders would not have won even if Sanders were able to keep some of the non-educated White defection to Trump.  For example, in a Trump vs Sanders race I would still expect Trump to win PA but with a map that looks more like Toomey-McGinty win than a Trump-Clinton win.

Clinton had a GOP outreach strategy that was hurting the downballot that the DNC warned against, it was mainly the berniebro support for clinton collapsing, they would've voted for Bernie in the general, which means, Bernie would've done much better in terms of the downballot.

Bernie would've won the senate for the dems, or at  least gotten 50-50, and there would've been more house seats for the dems, even if Bernie had not won, as Trump won over many dems who switched their downballot vote in the process (after all Hillary gave them the justification when she was busy praising 'normal republicans' like paul ryan), Bernie would've at least gotten them to keep their votes downballot for the dems.

Hillary was basically telling those dem crossovers for Trump that the democrats didn't need their votes and that they were deplorable, meanwhile she went out of the way to praise republicans who said that they would vote republican downballot, and for clinton in the general.

[uti2]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/11/11/would-bernie-have-won-um-bloomberg.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/10/dear-america-if-you-think-bernie-sanders-could-have-won-id-like/

Don't know why people bring up a hypothetical bloomberg run with sanders, but ignore the elephant in the room. The republican frontrunner candidate was threatening from day 1 that he would run third party if he 'didn't respect' the eventual republican nominee or felt the process was arbitrarily 'unfair'. In fact, he said before he entered the race, that he probably would run third party if he lost the primary.

And he repeatedly called the pledge in void all throughout the primary season, said he had a justification for the pledge being in void due to the 'rigged' delegate process, so you could see in that scenario how he goes and runs third party.

Perot mainly benefited from free media, he has the same net worth as Trump, and only ended up spending 66 million of his own money in the race, inflation adjusted that's 100-110 million, which Trump said he was planning to spend (his 'Apprentice' money). By the way, Trump ended up coincidentally spending 66 million out of his own pocket anyway.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/24/how-donald-trump-could-fall-into-the-ross-perot-trap.html

So it's really kind of ridiculous that people bring up a hypothetical bloomberg scenario with Bernie, but then ignore that Trump running independent was not only far more likely, but far more likely to be effective with tangible consequences, since most of his voters since 2015 were consistently on record of saying that they would go with him in an independent run. Trump could've put his son's name, Trump Jr. on the ballot in states with 'loser laws'.

So going by that logic, no republican other than Trump could've won this year.

Let's not forget this story:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bill-clinton-called-donald-trump-ahead-of-republicans-2016-launch/2015/08/05/e2b30bb8-3ae3-11e5-b3ac-8a79bc44e5e2_story.html

[Oldiesfreak1854]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/11/11/would-bernie-have-won-um-bloomberg.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/10/dear-america-if-you-think-bernie-sanders-could-have-won-id-like/

Don't know why people bring up a hypothetical bloomberg run with sanders

Because Bloomberg said he would run if the general election was Trump vs. Sanders.

[JustinTimeCuber]

Stop glorifying the candidacy of someone probably incapable of actually doing the job.

...what the hell does this even mean? So not being a technocratic wonk like Clinton = being unfit for office? That's ridiculous.

No. But when economists on your side of the isle criticize your plans for being vague, unrealistic, etc. and you dismiss those criticisms as being in the bag for your opponent instead of acknowledging them and creating a better plan, is a sign that you don't know what you're talking about and will refuse to let facts change your mind.

http://www.vox.com/2016/1/17/10784528/bernie-sanders-single-payer-health-care

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/16/us/politics/left-leaning-economists-question-cost-of-bernie-sanderss-plans.html

What exactly was Hillary's health care plan? Vague reforms to the ACA? Bernie's was pretty clear: insure everyone. He released a tax policy that explains how to pay for it. What do you want? Do you want him to release the exact legislation he will be pushing for? I can guarantee you that Hillary didn't do that.

[JustinTimeCuber]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/11/11/would-bernie-have-won-um-bloomberg.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/10/dear-america-if-you-think-bernie-sanders-could-have-won-id-like/

Don't know why people bring up a hypothetical bloomberg run with sanders

Because Bloomberg said he would run if the general election was Trump vs. Sanders.

Because center-right corporatists are great at appealing to the Democratic base...
wait...

[uti2]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/11/11/would-bernie-have-won-um-bloomberg.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/10/dear-america-if-you-think-bernie-sanders-could-have-won-id-like/

Don't know why people bring up a hypothetical bloomberg run with sanders

Because Bloomberg said he would run if the general election was Trump vs. Sanders.

You mean he said-she said rumors?

Meanwhile, here's Trump himself saying that he'd run independent if he lost the primary:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/155415-trump-probably-run-as-independent-if-i-cant-win-gop-nod

[Chief Justice Keef]

Bernie would've won, and anybody who thinks he wouldn't have against Trump is in denial, regardless if you're a Democrat or Republican.

I'm not going to write a bunch of paragraphs why, because I think the boys at Chapo sum up all my thoughts in their post-election night episode.
https://soundcloud.com/chapo-trap-house/episode-58-we-live-in-the-zone-now-111216

[Chief Justice Keef]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/11/11/would-bernie-have-won-um-bloomberg.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/10/dear-america-if-you-think-bernie-sanders-could-have-won-id-like/

Don't know why people bring up a hypothetical bloomberg run with sanders

Because Bloomberg said he would run if the general election was Trump vs. Sanders.

Bloomberg would've gotten around 10% of the vote, won a couple counties in NoVA, and still Sanders would've won. Do you really think all those Obama/Obama/Trump voters in the Rust Belt would've broken for a big-city, rich moderate Republican?

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/11/11/would-bernie-have-won-um-bloomberg.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/10/dear-america-if-you-think-bernie-sanders-could-have-won-id-like/

Don't know why people bring up a hypothetical bloomberg run with sanders

Because Bloomberg said he would run if the general election was Trump vs. Sanders.

Bloomberg would've gotten around 10% of the vote, won a couple counties in NoVA, and still Sanders would've won. Do you really think all those Obama/Obama/Trump voters in the Rust Belt would've broken for a big-city, rich moderate Republican?

Because those are the only people who voted for trump .

[Oldiesfreak1854]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/11/11/would-bernie-have-won-um-bloomberg.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/10/dear-america-if-you-think-bernie-sanders-could-have-won-id-like/

Don't know why people bring up a hypothetical bloomberg run with sanders

Because Bloomberg said he would run if the general election was Trump vs. Sanders.

Because center-right corporatists are great at appealing to the Democratic base...
wait...

Since when is Bloomberg center-right?  He supports strict gun control, tried to ban Big Gulps, and supported the Ground Zero mosque.

[JustinTimeCuber]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/11/11/would-bernie-have-won-um-bloomberg.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/10/dear-america-if-you-think-bernie-sanders-could-have-won-id-like/

Don't know why people bring up a hypothetical bloomberg run with sanders

Because Bloomberg said he would run if the general election was Trump vs. Sanders.

Because center-right corporatists are great at appealing to the Democratic base...
wait...

Since when is Bloomberg center-right?  He supports strict gun control, tried to ban Big Gulps, and supported the Ground Zero mosque.

Same way that Hillary is center-right: "I want to drag this [among Western countries] right-wing country a little bit left maybe and oh yeah Wall Street is awesome"

[Shameless Lefty Hack]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/11/11/would-bernie-have-won-um-bloomberg.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/10/dear-america-if-you-think-bernie-sanders-could-have-won-id-like/

Don't know why people bring up a hypothetical bloomberg run with sanders

Because Bloomberg said he would run if the general election was Trump vs. Sanders.

Because center-right corporatists are great at appealing to the Democratic base...
wait...

Since when is Bloomberg center-right?  He supports strict gun control, tried to ban Big Gulps, and supported the Ground Zero mosque.

And this is exactly why Bloomberg would have been a non-factor. He hits too many social/freedom issues for Conservatives, and is a corporate technocrat and thus alienates the Left. He would win the upper east side and DC wonks, and maybe Silicon Valley. That's it.

Plus he's 5'8" and IIRC has very little charisma, so his numbers would tank after the debates if he even had a following to begin with.

[Shameless Lefty Hack]

Stop glorifying the candidacy of someone probably incapable of actually doing the job.

...what the hell does this even mean? So not being a technocratic wonk like Clinton = being unfit for office? That's ridiculous.

No. But when economists on your side of the isle criticize your plans for being vague, unrealistic, etc. and you dismiss those criticisms as being in the bag for your opponent instead of acknowledging them and creating a better plan, is a sign that you don't know what you're talking about and will refuse to let facts change your mind.

http://www.vox.com/2016/1/17/10784528/bernie-sanders-single-payer-health-care

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/16/us/politics/left-leaning-economists-question-cost-of-bernie-sanderss-plans.html

But the point is that they aren't on "our side of the aisle." Culturally, Klein, Goolsbee, and Krugman represent a Liberal-Centrist strain of thinking which while in *alliance* with the left (for now), is categorically different. Had it been a Bernie/Bush (or Kasich) race, those folks would have had to do a lot of soul searching and who *knows * where they would have come down.  This is a pretty good article on the tack the Times in particular took during the primary.

[DrScholl]

Sanders would not have won, because he could not have motivated minority voters to come out for him.

[uti2]

Sanders would not have won, because he could not have motivated minority voters to come out for him.

Remember this Obama?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhh7SvDIWGk

Sanders did about as well with Hispanics in the SW as Obama did in 2008.

By minority votes, you mean 'black votes', Obama's 2008 coalition was essentially based on him manipulating bernie-style progressives into supporting him (by pandering to them with false promises) + blacks in the south. The only thing this means is that NC and FL are off the table for him electorally. One thing for sure is that Bernie would've done better for the downballot overall by doing better in the rest of the country, even if he still had lost.


Obama v. Hillary 2008



Sanders v. Hillary 2016