What would happen to the Wisconsin GOP if Roe v. Wade were overturned?
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« on: January 04, 2017, 11:48:21 AM »

and Walker and co. tried to outlaw abortion in the state?

This not only goes for WI, but many purple states that have Republican governors and state legislatures even including IA, NC, etc. for instance.
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« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2017, 12:30:20 PM »

A lot of difficulty. Many people (myself included) are no fans of abortion and would be okay with restrictions, but not outright bans.

Of course, as I keep trying to emphasize, we could defang the abortion debate if we talked about how to actually cut down on unplanned pregnancies, such as wider promotion of preventative BC and quality health education that's more rigorous than "abstince! Sex bad!"
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« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2017, 12:34:35 PM »
« Edited: January 04, 2017, 02:04:23 PM by Southern Delegate 1184AZ »

North Carolina Govrenor Roy Cooper is a Democrat.

You would see an immediate court challenge to the law in question. In Wisconsin case the state SC may uphold the law as the state SC has a 7-2 GOP majority, however the seventh circuit court would probably strike down  the hypothetical law. I could imagine the fifth circuit court upholding an abortion ban law though. Depending on what occurred in circuit court would impact whether the Supreme Court would here the case. If all the circuit courts strike down the law in question then the SC probably refuses to here an appeal, however if their is conflicting rulings or if all the circuit courts uphold the law, then the Supreme Court would probably agree to here the appeal. As for how the Supreme Court would rule, probably 6-3 to strike down the abortion ban, and that is with President Trump appointing a pro life justice to the SC. I honestly doubt that either Roberts or Kennedy would support over turning Roe v Wade.


As for Scott Walker it probably backfires big time on him, and he looses reelection in 2018. Though much like HB2 in NC it probably dosent doom the entire state party.
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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2017, 12:39:39 PM »



As for Scott Walker it probably backfires big time on him, and he looses reelection in 2018. Though much like HB2 in NC it probably dosent doom the entire state party.

There is one big difference though, it would be the actual Republican legislators outlawing abortion. So if Walker overturned it, why would it only damage him, when if a dem gov replaced him he wouldn't be able to get anything done and wouldn't be able to change the law anyway?
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« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2017, 12:51:42 PM »

It would basically be debated forever. Every state level election would be partially over abortion. So you could have people who are pro-life and would otherwise support the D candidate voting R in the governors race due to abortion, and vice versa. Every time a new batch of legislators came in you would have changed in abortion law, only to be overturned by the next group.
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« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2017, 01:01:25 PM »

North Carolina Govrenor Jim Cooper is a Democrat.

Roy.
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« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2017, 01:08:32 PM »

North Carolina Govrenor Jim Cooper is a Democrat.

You would see an immediate court challenge to the law in question. In Wisconsin case the state SC may uphold the law as the state SC has a 7-2 GOP majority, however the seventh circuit court would probably strike down  the hypothetical law. I could imagine the fifth circuit court upholding an abortion ban law though. Depending on what occurred in circuit court would impact whether the Supreme Court would here the case. If all the circuit courts strike down the law in question then the SC probably refuses to here an appeal, however if their is conflicting rulings or if all the circuit courts uphold the law, then the Supreme Court would probably agree to here the appeal. As for how the Supreme Court would rule, probably 6-3 to strike down the abortion ban, and that is with President Trump appointing a pro life justice to the SC. I honestly doubt that either Roberts or Kennedy would support over turning Roe v Wade.


As for Scott Walker it probably backfires big time on him, and he looses reelection in 2018. Though much like HB2 in NC it probably dosent doom the entire state party.

Donald Trump will need Scott Walker as Governor of Wisconsin to have a reasonable chance of winning Wisconsin in 2020. A Democrat will do nothing to suppress the black vote in the state, and that would likely ensure that any Democrat wins Wisconsin in 2020 for the Presidential nominee.

The critical elections of 2018 will be for Governors of Wisconsin, Michigan, and Florida. If Republicans lose two of those three, then Donald Trump will be a dead duck in a re-election bid. 
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« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2017, 01:11:40 PM »

So you could have people who are pro-life and would otherwise support the D candidate voting R

How many of those people actually exist? It seems there are far more Rs who are only Rs due to a few wedge issues like guns, abortion, gay marriage, criminal justice, etc. than there are Ds. You have anti-abortion/anti-gay, etc. activists campaigning for Ds who are personally socially conservative and they mostly respond by shrugging it off saying that they don't vote on those issues politically (see the gay marriage debate before the supreme court legalized gay marriage). On the other hand, you have Rs who might otherwise be Ds, who only vote R due to those issues.

What this has the potential to do, is unlock those gop suburban women that Hillary was trying to court, what would they do if republicans were actually able to fully implement their agenda unrestrained?
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« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2017, 01:20:27 PM »

So you could have people who are pro-life and would otherwise support the D candidate voting R

How many of those people actually exist? It seems there are far more Rs who are only Rs due to a few wedge issues like guns, abortion, gay marriage, criminal justice, etc. than there are Ds. You have anti-abortion/anti-gay, etc. activists campaigning for Ds who are personally socially conservative and they mostly respond by shrugging it off saying that they don't vote on those issues politically (see the gay marriage debate before the supreme court legalized gay marriage). On the other hand, you have Rs who might otherwise be Ds, who only vote R due to those issues.

What this has the potential to do, is unlock those gop suburban women that Hillary was trying to court, what would they do if republicans were actually able to fully implement their agenda unrestrained?

It would be dumb to trade away women's rights in a bid to get votes. This is like saying let the GOP gut Obamacare/Medicare to help Democrats win in 2018. There are some Dems who think this way, but it's misguided.
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