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« on: January 06, 2017, 07:53:54 PM »

"Don't nominate someone with more baggage than a hotel luggage cart" and "don't insult the supporters of primary opponents because you'll need them to turn out for you" are obviously a couple of them, but what else should Dems focus on going forward?
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« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2017, 08:01:00 PM »

Non-college educated Whites are more "swingable" than college-educated Whites.
 
Republicans were never going to "bottom-out" in 2016 among suburban voters (particularly among the moderate-to-conservative college educated White women that HRC was trying so hard to court).  
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« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2017, 08:52:10 PM »

I don't see where they've learned anything. 

They SHOULD have learned that since there are more conservatives than liberals in America, they need to be a "big tent" party.  That means tolerating centrists, giving them real roles in the party, and recognizing that, at times, a moderate compromise is better than no advancement at all. 

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« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2017, 09:47:03 PM »

I don't see where they've learned anything. 

They SHOULD have learned that since there are more conservatives than liberals in America, they need to be a "big tent" party.  That means tolerating centrists, giving them real roles in the party, and recognizing that, at times, a moderate compromise is better than no advancement at all. 


With all due respect what the f*** are you talking about, we nominated the most centrist ticket we could of had.
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« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2017, 09:49:51 PM »

the working class white voters that they so loved to insult had actually helped them hold down states like Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania in the past. Meanwhile, running a campaign attempting to appeal to "moderate" neocon Republicans who nobody likes is a losing strategy as is running on the horribly out of touch "America is already great" slogan at a time when most people haven't really recovered from 2008.
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« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2017, 10:15:45 PM »

I don't see where they've learned anything. 

They SHOULD have learned that since there are more conservatives than liberals in America, they need to be a "big tent" party.  That means tolerating centrists, giving them real roles in the party, and recognizing that, at times, a moderate compromise is better than no advancement at all. 


With all due respect what the f*** are you talking about, we nominated the most centrist ticket we could of had.

No we didn't. Hillary was forced to the left in a bloody and long primary fight, for better or worse.
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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2017, 10:36:36 PM »

-Turnout is about more than the major cities.

-Listen to the electorate. Say what you will about Bernie, but there's a reason his support went from the single digits to 42%.

-Energizing the base is critical. If progressives don't turn out for you, winning an extra 0.5% of suburban Republicans isn't going to save you.

-Pick an exciting candidate. Excitement isn't an indicator of how effective a candidate will be as president, but it's critical to getting elected president.

-Give people a reason to vote for you, other than just "the other guy is terrible."
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« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2017, 10:42:49 PM »

What lessons did they learn? I don't think they learned any seeing as they won't STFU about Russia.

What lessons should they have learned? The people want a progressive who talks about the issues, not some lying neoliberal hawk.
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« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2017, 10:44:29 PM »

I think one of the biggest mistakes was the assumption that rich, college-educated Republicans have inherently better moral values than working-class Republicans.
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« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2017, 10:46:29 PM »

Candidates like Bernie Sanders need to be nipped in the bud ASAP, before they tank the party. I think winner-take-all primaries would go a long way towards helping this.
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« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2017, 04:21:16 AM »

Candidates like Bernie Sanders need to be nipped in the bud ASAP, before they tank the party. I think winner-take-all primaries would go a long way towards helping this.

This has to be a joke.
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« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2017, 06:05:45 AM »

Assume no vote certain.
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« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2017, 06:42:27 AM »

What did Republicans learn in 2008 and 2012?
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« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2017, 07:11:13 AM »

I don't see where they've learned anything. 

They SHOULD have learned that since there are more conservatives than liberals in America, they need to be a "big tent" party.  That means tolerating centrists, giving them real roles in the party, and recognizing that, at times, a moderate compromise is better than no advancement at all. 



Do you have ANY statistical proof that there are more conservatives than liberals, after the GOP lost the popular vote six times in the last seven elections?
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« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2017, 07:34:00 AM »

What lessons did they learn? I don't think they learned any seeing as they won't STFU about Russia.

What lessons should they have learned? The people want a progressive who talks about the issues, not some lying neoliberal hawk.
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« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2017, 07:50:51 AM »

-Not to nominate a criminal
-Not to insult millions of Americans
-Not to nominate someone with baggage and a high unfavorability rating
-Not to pick a nominee who will suppress the Progressive wing of the party

That is just a few of them.
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« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2017, 10:12:48 AM »

I don't see where they've learned anything. 

They SHOULD have learned that since there are more conservatives than liberals in America, they need to be a "big tent" party.  That means tolerating centrists, giving them real roles in the party, and recognizing that, at times, a moderate compromise is better than no advancement at all. 



Do you have ANY statistical proof that there are more conservatives than liberals, after the GOP lost the popular vote six times in the last seven elections?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/188129/conservatives-hang-ideology-lead-thread.aspx

Pretty solid evidence.  Even 17% of Democrats consider themselves to be conservatives.

What did Republicans learn in 2008 and 2012?

I'd say they learned it by accident, but it's pretty clear that wealthy, college-educated Republicans are much more loyal to the party than "working class" voters, and an effort to appeal to working class voters pays off electorally.

Anywho, I'd say this is what they NEED to learn:

- The Democratic Party wins elections when it focuses on "kitchen tables issues," and that's actually what Obama did.  (I suppose the fact that he was the first Black President distracted from this.)
- There is a ceiling for the Democratic Party among affluent voters, and they have reached it.  (Sorry, Non Swing Voter, your dream is dead.  Seriously, if you're not fighting for economic justice and progressivism, why the HELL are you a Democrat?)
- It is impossible to have any meaningful political power without millions of votes from ALL of the cities, the suburbs and the rural areas
- The Democratic Party was winning far more "Working Class Whites" than they had imagined, and those voters were a part of their "Blue Wall."

Despite what Fuzzy Bear and Lief will contest (very ironic, given their respective parties), I think it's clear that more than enough Democrats definitely learned this lesson the hard way and know they have to change/get in touch with the party's roots to regain power ... and if you don't have power, what is the point of politics?  Senate Democrats saying they would work with Trump on his more economically progressive ideas (and of course fight him on everything else) and CHUCK SCHUMER (can't emphasize enough who authorized this move!) putting people like Bernie Sanders and Joe Manchin in very important leadership roles says a lot about what they think they have to do going forward, and it's not double down on being a coastal party of socially liberal yuppies and minorities (which, of course, they never have been and never could/will be).
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« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2017, 10:25:17 AM »

-Not to nominate a criminal
-Not to insult millions of Americans
-Not to nominate someone with baggage and a high unfavorability rating
-Not to pick a nominee who will suppress the Progressive wing of the party

That is just a few of them.

Basically this and some other things mentioned in this thread. I'd also add that their obsession with social issues is really hurting them in the rural and suburban areas. While I don't think they will move to the right when it comes to social issues, they would do best if they focused on economic issues.
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« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2017, 10:26:36 AM »

Become more moderate and pro white and more blue collar and nominate someone more like Jim Webb and less like Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders
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« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2017, 10:45:50 AM »

-Not to nominate a criminal
-Not to insult millions of Americans
-Not to nominate someone with baggage and a high unfavorability rating
-Not to pick a nominee who will suppress the Progressive wing of the party

That is just a few of them.

Basically this and some other things mentioned in this thread. I'd also add that their obsession with social issues is really hurting them in the rural and suburban areas. While I don't think they will move to the right when it comes to social issues, they would do best if they focused on economic issues.
What obsession? I'm sorry but just because Trump won doesn't mean reality gets rewritten. In all these major social issues from trans-bathrooms, gays being denied services, etc... have all been made issues by cons not libs
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« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2017, 12:05:48 PM »

What lessons did they learn? I don't think they learned any seeing as they won't STFU about Russia.

What lessons should they have learned? The people want a progressive who talks about the issues, not some lying neoliberal hawk.

Im gonna say this again. We nominate whomever wins primary, that's usually the person with the most votes. Hillary had alot more votes than Sanders so she was the nominee. The people are not you, the people did not want Bernie Sanders so we nominated Hillary Clinton.
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« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2017, 12:31:01 PM »
« Edited: January 07, 2017, 12:34:52 PM by Caripace Clavicle Moundshroud »

Become more moderate and pro white and more blue collar and nominate someone more like Jim Webb and less like Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders

That won't work. While I think Democrats should definitely drop the gun issue, (and the abortion issue as a litmus test) pandering to whites and blue collars will just make them another brand of Republican lite. People will vote for the real thing (Trump) in that case. It's time to go hard left on economics, appealing to millenials, poor minorities and the working class. Stop identity politics altogether (pandering to any segment, be it minorities of whites) and focus on issues that will bring everyone together.
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« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2017, 12:36:38 PM »

Become more moderate and pro white and more blue collar and nominate someone more like Jim Webb and less like Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders

That won't work. While I think Democrats should definitely drop the gun issue, (and the abortion issue as a litmus test) pandering to whites and blue collars will just make them another brand of Republican lite. People will vote for the real thing (Trump) in that case. It's time to go hard left on economics, appealing to millenials.
Millennials are a hard group to read. Despite their seeming preference for Sanders, a majority of Millennials still favor capitalism over socialism. In fact, you could argue that Millennials are hard left on social issues (weed, gay rights, death penalty) and center left on economics.

Well, no one on the hard left, or at least anyone with major influence, is favoring dropping capitalism for socialism. So that shouldn't be a problem. By hard left I'm referring to the Sanders, Warren wing.
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« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2017, 02:28:46 PM »

-Not to nominate a criminal
-Not to insult millions of Americans
-Not to nominate someone with baggage and a high unfavorability rating
-Not to pick a nominee who will suppress the Progressive wing of the party

That is just a few of them.

This describes Trump to a T

Yeah. That's not really helpful to anyone. In fact, trying avoid someone who won't stir up the pot probably can't get anymore than 20 states or 48% of the two party vote.
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« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2017, 02:29:36 PM »
« Edited: January 08, 2017, 10:54:36 PM by Fuzzy Bear »

I don't see where they've learned anything.  

They SHOULD have learned that since there are more conservatives than liberals in America, they need to be a "big tent" party.  That means tolerating centrists, giving them real roles in the party, and recognizing that, at times, a moderate compromise is better than no advancement at all.

Your idea of "centrist" is much different than mine.

Hillary Clinton is far left on social issues, leftish on economic issues.  

Jim Webb is a centrist.


With all due respect what the f*** are you talking about, we nominated the most centrist ticket we could of had.

A ticket of McCaskill and Manchin would have been the most centrist ticket possible.

Perhaps it's true that Clinton-Kaine is as centrist as it gets for today's Democratic Party.
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