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« on: January 07, 2017, 08:54:31 PM »

This board has a number of pro-life or otherwise socially conservative Democrats, and of course a ton of libertarian-leaning Republicans.

Is that a quirk of this board (similar to the vastly disproportionate LGBT representation on here), or does its membership merely more accurately reflect the ideological heterogeneity of America than the Democrat-Republican dichotomy?

I am unsure, hence the poll.
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« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2017, 09:06:03 PM »

Trick question. Ideologies in general are overrepresented on this board; most people don't hold coherent ideological worldviews.
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« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2017, 09:30:41 PM »

Trick question. Ideologies in general are overrepresented on this board; most people don't hold coherent ideological worldviews.

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« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2017, 10:31:52 PM »

Trick question. Ideologies in general are overrepresented on this board; most people don't hold coherent ideological worldviews.

This.

I actually think that Ukrainians of both types are underrepresented on this board compared to real life, but other heterodox ideologies like revolutionary socialism are overrepresented.
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« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2017, 11:39:36 PM »

This board largely represents the ideologies of young people. This group's ideologies have a distinct lack in politics today, which leads to the false conclusion that these ideologies are necessarily not representative of the group at large. I do not know that there is a way to prove these ideological variations are representative of the group at large, but it is certainly not likely to be possible to prove that these ideological variations are not indicative of the group at large.
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« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2017, 12:27:51 AM »

Trick question. Ideologies in general are overrepresented on this board; most people don't hold coherent ideological worldviews.

Yeah, this.
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« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2017, 03:53:42 AM »

This board largely represents the ideologies of young people. This group's ideologies have a distinct lack in politics today, which leads to the false conclusion that these ideologies are necessarily not representative of the group at large. I do not know that there is a way to prove these ideological variations are representative of the group at large, but it is certainly not likely to be possible to prove that these ideological variations are not indicative of the group at large.

Actually despite the over-representation of Millennials on this Forum and many threads, actually there are a surprising number of older posters....

Just take a look at the "What was the First Presidential Election You Voted in Thread?" for example, and I was pleasantly surprised to see that although on average I am an older poster on the Forum, there are a ton of individuals, who have been around the block a lot longer than myself...

This includes individuals from multiple political perspectives and backgrounds.....

Sometimes it is easy to look at the huge number of people that jump onto the Forum during Presidential Years (Heavily younger in age) and just see the partisan sniping/ talking points, and all that c**p, without looking into the extreme diversity of political expression and attitudes and dialogue that supersede traditional narratives and discourse.

Statistical analysis and looking at variance reporting is great, but although I agree that the Forum skews to the younger set, "establishment/partisan wrangling" there a great number of posters out here that are open minded and able to both provide their personal perspectives combined with extremely cogent and well informed analysis that offsets the traditionally hackery/trolling that is all too common on political blogs.

Part of the reason that I have always liked Atlas, and still love Atlas.... Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2017, 06:38:28 AM »

I very strongly disagree with the majority opinion here.

Most people have no concept of ideological purity/consistency with regards to their own beliefs. On most issues, voters feel no pressure to conform with like-minded politicians/groups, even among those voters who actively identify with a specific political party. Even high-information voters tend to have an amalgamation of views from all over the political spectrum. If anything, I would argue that Atlas forum members are less likely to hold heterodox views. The forum is full of frequent and ongoing debates about every sort of political issue - but it's also the platform for a very active social environment. This combination definitely causes a strong (albeit generally subconscious) pressure to consistently conform with the specific beliefs of other like-minded forum members.

To better understand the views of the US as a whole, take a look at something like this (and break down results by political party) to see the not-insignificant portion of people who go against the grain on a given issue. Traditional opinion polls show the same thing, and the pattern is just as strong if you examine breakdowns by ideology rather than party. Typically, a fifth or more will disagree with their own group even on topics that are conventionally understood to be prominent wedge issues.





Here's a few specific examples that demonstrate my point:

32% of Republicans are pro-choice
27% of Republicans want to raise corporate taxs
15% of Republicans demand universities should be safe spaces that provide trigger warnings
33% of Republicans think labor unions are FF's

37% of Democrats support waterboarding
20% of Democrats oppose gun control
27% of Democrats like Confederate flags on government property
18% of Democrats endorse an Indiana-style Religious Freedom Act

See what I mean?
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« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2017, 07:10:17 AM »

What is a heterodox ideology?
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« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2017, 08:36:27 AM »

Trick question. Ideologies in general are overrepresented on this board; most people don't hold coherent ideological worldviews.

Yeah, this.
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« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2017, 11:59:26 AM »

How many Democrats here are actual social conservatives? I consider myself to be a moderate social conservative, and the only Democrat I can think of who is to the right of me on social issues is Famous Mortimer. Yes, there are a number of pro-life Democrats here, but there are plenty of pro-life Democrats and pro-choice Republicans in the real world who are not activists and not very ideological.

Similarly, there are very few true libertarians here. We mostly have a bunch of "fiscal conservative, social liberal" people calling themselves libertarians running around who believe that balancing budgets is fiscal conservatism and that government can bestow equal dignity upon individuals or relationships.
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« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2017, 06:51:15 PM »

This board largely represents the ideologies of young people. This group's ideologies have a distinct lack in politics today, which leads to the false conclusion that these ideologies are necessarily not representative of the group at large. I do not know that there is a way to prove these ideological variations are representative of the group at large, but it is certainly not likely to be possible to prove that these ideological variations are not indicative of the group at large.

Actually despite the over-representation of Millennials on this Forum and many threads, actually there are a surprising number of older posters....

Just take a look at the "What was the First Presidential Election You Voted in Thread?" for example, and I was pleasantly surprised to see that although on average I am an older poster on the Forum, there are a ton of individuals, who have been around the block a lot longer than myself...

This includes individuals from multiple political perspectives and backgrounds.....

Many people have never voted in a Presidential election. I didn't vote because of that, as I have never voted in a Presidential election.
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« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2017, 08:16:50 PM »

How many Democrats here are actual social conservatives? I consider myself to be a moderate social conservative, and the only Democrat I can think of who is to the right of me on social issues is Famous Mortimer. Yes, there are a number of pro-life Democrats here, but there are plenty of pro-life Democrats and pro-choice Republicans in the real world who are not activists and not very ideological.

(raises hand)

I'm a pro-life Democrat who owns guns.
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« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2017, 08:44:42 PM »

This board largely represents the ideologies of young people. This group's ideologies have a distinct lack in politics today, which leads to the false conclusion that these ideologies are necessarily not representative of the group at large. I do not know that there is a way to prove these ideological variations are representative of the group at large, but it is certainly not likely to be possible to prove that these ideological variations are not indicative of the group at large.

Actually despite the over-representation of Millennials on this Forum and many threads, actually there are a surprising number of older posters....

Just take a look at the "What was the First Presidential Election You Voted in Thread?" for example, and I was pleasantly surprised to see that although on average I am an older poster on the Forum, there are a ton of individuals, who have been around the block a lot longer than myself...

This includes individuals from multiple political perspectives and backgrounds.....

Many people have never voted in a Presidential election. I didn't vote because of that, as I have never voted in a Presidential election.

Not quite sure where you are coming from Kingpoleon....

So have have you chosen not to vote in Presidential Elections, or are you currently disenfranchised as a result of age/criminal record/citizenship status?

Just curious as we have not talked much on the forum thus far and was curious as to non-voting as a deliberate decision or an involuntary decision?
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« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2017, 09:53:24 PM »

How many Democrats here are actual social conservatives? I consider myself to be a moderate social conservative, and the only Democrat I can think of who is to the right of me on social issues is Famous Mortimer. Yes, there are a number of pro-life Democrats here, but there are plenty of pro-life Democrats and pro-choice Republicans in the real world who are not activists and not very ideological.

(raises hand)

I'm a pro-life Democrat who owns guns.

Owning guns is not a political position.
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« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2017, 10:30:36 PM »

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« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2017, 10:44:25 PM »

How many Democrats here are actual social conservatives? I consider myself to be a moderate social conservative, and the only Democrat I can think of who is to the right of me on social issues is Famous Mortimer. Yes, there are a number of pro-life Democrats here, but there are plenty of pro-life Democrats and pro-choice Republicans in the real world who are not activists and not very ideological.

(raises hand)

I'm a pro-life Democrat who owns guns.

Owning guns is not a political position.

It would at least imply opposition to a complete gun ban and also adherence to certain norms that might put one outside of the "ideal liberal Democrat" stereotype.
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« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2017, 12:14:26 AM »

How many Democrats here are actual social conservatives? I consider myself to be a moderate social conservative, and the only Democrat I can think of who is to the right of me on social issues is Famous Mortimer. Yes, there are a number of pro-life Democrats here, but there are plenty of pro-life Democrats and pro-choice Republicans in the real world who are not activists and not very ideological.

(raises hand)

I'm a pro-life Democrat who owns guns.

Owning guns is not a political position.

It would at least imply opposition to a complete gun ban and also adherence to certain norms that might put one outside of the "ideal liberal Democrat" stereotype.

I disagree. You can support banning guns, but think that in a place that allows guns, it's a good idea to keep some around.
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« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2017, 12:18:44 AM »

^ FWIW, I don't support banning guns Tongue
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« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2017, 12:43:01 AM »

How many Democrats here are actual social conservatives? I consider myself to be a moderate social conservative, and the only Democrat I can think of who is to the right of me on social issues is Famous Mortimer. Yes, there are a number of pro-life Democrats here, but there are plenty of pro-life Democrats and pro-choice Republicans in the real world who are not activists and not very ideological.

(raises hand)

I'm a pro-life Democrat who owns guns.

Owning guns is not a political position.

It would at least imply opposition to a complete gun ban and also adherence to certain norms that might put one outside of the "ideal liberal Democrat" stereotype.

I disagree. You can support banning guns, but think that in a place that allows guns, it's a good idea to keep some around.

"Imply".
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« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2017, 09:13:38 PM »

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« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2017, 11:50:51 PM »

This board largely represents the ideologies of young people. This group's ideologies have a distinct lack in politics today, which leads to the false conclusion that these ideologies are necessarily not representative of the group at large. I do not know that there is a way to prove these ideological variations are representative of the group at large, but it is certainly not likely to be possible to prove that these ideological variations are not indicative of the group at large.

Actually despite the over-representation of Millennials on this Forum and many threads, actually there are a surprising number of older posters....

Just take a look at the "What was the First Presidential Election You Voted in Thread?" for example, and I was pleasantly surprised to see that although on average I am an older poster on the Forum, there are a ton of individuals, who have been around the block a lot longer than myself...

This includes individuals from multiple political perspectives and backgrounds.....

Many people have never voted in a Presidential election. I didn't vote because of that, as I have never voted in a Presidential election.

Not quite sure where you are coming from Kingpoleon....

So have have you chosen not to vote in Presidential Elections, or are you currently disenfranchised as a result of age/criminal record/citizenship status?

Just curious as we have not talked much on the forum thus far and was curious as to non-voting as a deliberate decision or an involuntary decision?

I am too young. NeverAgain, LLR, Peebs, and many, many others are far too young to do so.
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« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2017, 03:47:12 AM »

This board largely represents the ideologies of young people. This group's ideologies have a distinct lack in politics today, which leads to the false conclusion that these ideologies are necessarily not representative of the group at large. I do not know that there is a way to prove these ideological variations are representative of the group at large, but it is certainly not likely to be possible to prove that these ideological variations are not indicative of the group at large.

Actually despite the over-representation of Millennials on this Forum and many threads, actually there are a surprising number of older posters....

Just take a look at the "What was the First Presidential Election You Voted in Thread?" for example, and I was pleasantly surprised to see that although on average I am an older poster on the Forum, there are a ton of individuals, who have been around the block a lot longer than myself...

This includes individuals from multiple political perspectives and backgrounds.....

Many people have never voted in a Presidential election. I didn't vote because of that, as I have never voted in a Presidential election.

Not quite sure where you are coming from Kingpoleon....

So have have you chosen not to vote in Presidential Elections, or are you currently disenfranchised as a result of age/criminal record/citizenship status?

Just curious as we have not talked much on the forum thus far and was curious as to non-voting as a deliberate decision or an involuntary decision?

I am too young. NeverAgain, LLR, Peebs, and many, many others are far too young to do so.

Cool---- so this is not deliberately eschewing of the political process, but rather disenfranchisement related to voting age requirements, regardless of an individual's contributions to the polity and political dialogue and discussion.


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« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2017, 02:40:37 AM »

that feel when you make an effortpost and it's ignored
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« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2017, 11:42:52 AM »

Of course they are, especially on the left.
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