Atlas Moral Acceptability Poll

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

And most of all - one cannot say that lack of consent automatically makes something immoral and simultaneously support abortion.

Consent is required for concious, thinking beings. An embryo can't do that.

So if a person is unconscious you can do whatever you want to them? Pretty sure that's the opposite of what the consent movement is arguing for.

... No. A conciousness existing and a conciousness being currently active are different things.

The person will still be just as affected when they wake up as if it was done while awake.

[DavidB.]

I'll repeat this point: why do so many people consider fur to be acceptable? Do you guys know nothing about the process of obtaining it? Because the idea that you do know about it yet simply don't give a sh**t is really too disturbing.

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Hello? 60 (!) people voted that this is acceptable.

[Santander]

I'll repeat this point: why do so many people consider fur to be acceptable? Do you guys know nothing about the process of obtaining it? Because the idea that you do know about it yet simply don't give a sh**t is really too disturbing.

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Hello? 60 (!) people voted that this is acceptable.

I'm sure even more would say it is acceptable if you replaced the world "fur" with "leather".

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

I'll repeat this point: why do so many people consider fur to be acceptable? Do you guys know nothing about the process of obtaining it? Because the idea that you do know about it yet simply don't give a sh**t is really too disturbing.

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Hello? 60 (!) people voted that this is acceptable.

I'm sure even more would say it is acceptable if you replaced the world "fur" with "leather".

You can get at least a few leather jackets out of one cow. You can only get one stole out of quite a few mink.

[Figueira]

I'll repeat this point: why do so many people consider fur to be acceptable? Do you guys know nothing about the process of obtaining it? Because the idea that you do know about it yet simply don't give a sh**t is really too disturbing.

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Hello? 60 (!) people voted that this is acceptable.

I voted acceptable on the assumption that there are probably ethical ways of obtaining fur. This might have been a dumb assumption, and if it is, I'd change my vote to unacceptable.

[DavidB.]

I'll repeat this point: why do so many people consider fur to be acceptable? Do you guys know nothing about the process of obtaining it? Because the idea that you do know about it yet simply don't give a sh**t is really too disturbing.

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Hello? 60 (!) people voted that this is acceptable.

I voted acceptable on the assumption that there are probably ethical ways of obtaining fur. This might have been a dumb assumption, and if it is, I'd change my vote to unacceptable.

I'd say that yes, there are morally acceptable ways of obtaining fur, but almost all fur on the market isn't actually produced ethically (as ssuperflash said, the animals are skinned alive), which is why I generally consider buying clothing made of animal fur to be morally unacceptable.

In the same way, I don't think eating meat is necessarily wrong or morally unacceptable, but since nearly all of the meat that's on the market right now has been produced in morally problematic ways, I refrain from eating meat altogether.

[Intell]

Why does lack of consent make something immoral? It is morally justifiable to kill in self-defense, even if the attacker is not culpable. Most would consider attempting to help drug or gambling addicts against their will to be not only morally acceptable, but morally necessary. Parents have a certain degree of absolute authority over their minor children, even if they have reached an age where the state has determined that they can be held responsible for their actions.

And most of all - one cannot say that lack of consent automatically makes something immoral and simultaneously support abortion.

Lack of consent, I mean being forced to do things that are bad for them, would make an action much worse, than if done consensually, which would still remain a bad action, but less so.

[100% pro-life no matter what]

I'll repeat this point: why do so many people consider fur to be acceptable? Do you guys know nothing about the process of obtaining it? Because the idea that you do know about it yet simply don't give a sh**t is really too disturbing.

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Hello? 60 (!) people voted that this is acceptable.

I voted acceptable on the assumption that there are probably ethical ways of obtaining fur. This might have been a dumb assumption, and if it is, I'd change my vote to unacceptable.

I'd say that yes, there are morally acceptable ways of obtaining fur, but almost all fur on the market isn't actually produced ethically (as ssuperflash said, the animals are skinned alive), which is why I generally consider buying clothing made of animal fur to be morally unacceptable.

In the same way, I don't think eating meat is necessarily wrong or morally unacceptable, but since nearly all of the meat that's on the market right now has been produced in morally problematic ways, I refrain from eating meat altogether.

Not everyone necesarily believes in the concept of animal rights, either

[Kingpoleon]

Gay Relations: Mandatory
Having a baby outside of marriage: Punishable by death
Sex outside of marriage: Punishable by death
Divorce: Punishable by death
Embryonic Stem Cell Research: Punishable by death
Polygamy: Punishable by death
Cloning humans: Mandatory
Doctor-assisted suicide: Punishable by death
Suicide: Mandatory
Gambling: Punishable by death
Abortion: Punishable by death
Cloning animals: Punishable by death
Fur: Mandatory on all humans
Affairs: Punishable by death
Medical Testing on Animals: Punishable by death
Refusal to accept Mandatory is punishable by death.


Death Penalty: State-run immoral and should lead to genicide of the state that allows it; individual-run punishable by death

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I'll repeat this point: why do so many people consider fur to be acceptable? Do you guys know nothing about the process of obtaining it? Because the idea that you do know about it yet simply don't give a sh**t is really too disturbing.

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Hello? 60 (!) people voted that this is acceptable.

I voted acceptable on the assumption that there are probably ethical ways of obtaining fur. This might have been a dumb assumption, and if it is, I'd change my vote to unacceptable.

I'd say that yes, there are morally acceptable ways of obtaining fur, but almost all fur on the market isn't actually produced ethically (as ssuperflash said, the animals are skinned alive), which is why I generally consider buying clothing made of animal fur to be morally unacceptable.

In the same way, I don't think eating meat is necessarily wrong or morally unacceptable, but since nearly all of the meat that's on the market right now has been produced in morally problematic ways, I refrain from eating meat altogether.

Not everyone necesarily believes in the concept of animal rights, either

Who mentioned "rights"?

[DavidB.]

I'll repeat this point: why do so many people consider fur to be acceptable? Do you guys know nothing about the process of obtaining it? Because the idea that you do know about it yet simply don't give a sh**t is really too disturbing.

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Hello? 60 (!) people voted that this is acceptable.

I voted acceptable on the assumption that there are probably ethical ways of obtaining fur. This might have been a dumb assumption, and if it is, I'd change my vote to unacceptable.

I'd say that yes, there are morally acceptable ways of obtaining fur, but almost all fur on the market isn't actually produced ethically (as ssuperflash said, the animals are skinned alive), which is why I generally consider buying clothing made of animal fur to be morally unacceptable.

In the same way, I don't think eating meat is necessarily wrong or morally unacceptable, but since nearly all of the meat that's on the market right now has been produced in morally problematic ways, I refrain from eating meat altogether.

Not everyone necesarily believes in the concept of animal rights, either

I don't believe in animal rights either. I do, however, believe in minimizing animal suffering as much as possible.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

You can get at least a few leather jackets out of one cow. You can only get one stole out of quite a few mink.

On the other hand mink are kind of unsympathetic as animals go. Not that there's any doubt that industrial mink production is bleak as f. This reminds me: one reason why we have American Mink here out in the wild (not welcome at all!) is because idiot animal rights protesters used to break into fur farms and release them.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

The funny one is always sealing in the Canadian Arctic: the Newfie is far more endangered than the Harp Seal.

[MT Treasurer]

A - Gay or lesbian relations    
A - Having a baby outside of marriage      
A - Sex between an unmarried man and woman      
A - Divorce
U - Medical research using stem cells from human embryos      
A - Polygamy    
U - Cloning humans    
Lean A, but not really sure - Doctor-assisted suicide
Lean U - Suicide
A - Gambling    
U - Abortion (of course)    
U - Cloning animals    
U - Buying and wearing clothing made of animal fur (Of course. What is wrong with you people?)
U - Married men and women having an affair    
A - The death penalty      
U - Medical testing on animals

[JA]

These are the results as of 3:00pm EST with 103 votes cast...

Gay or lesbian relations
Acceptable: 85.4%

Having a baby outside of marriage
Acceptable: 79.2%

Sex between an unmarried man and woman
Acceptable: 86.3%

Divorce
Acceptable: 88.2%

Medical research using stem cells obtained from human embryos
Acceptable: 76.2%

Polygamy
Acceptable: 53.0%

Cloning humans
Unacceptable: 60.8%

Doctor-assisted suicide
Acceptable: 76.8%

Suicide
Tied: 50.0%

Gambling
Acceptable: 89.8%

Abortion
Acceptable: 63.1%

Cloning animals
Acceptable: 73.7%

Buying and wearing clothing made of animal fur
Acceptable: 67.0%

Married men and women having an affair
Unacceptable: 79.4%

The death penalty
Unacceptable: 63.4%

Medical testing on animals
Acceptable: 69.7%

[Antonio the Sixth]

Polygamy
Acceptable: 53.0%

Only on Atlas...

[Santander]

Polygamy
Acceptable: 53.0%

Only on Atlas...

Yeah, I mean... Jesus.

[(Still) muted by Kalwejt until March 31]

Polygamy
Acceptable: 53.0%

Only on Atlas...

Yeah, I mean... Jesus.

-Indeed.

[TJ in Oregon]

Gay Relations: Unacceptable
Having a baby outside of marriage: Acceptable
Sex outside of marriage: Unacceptable
Divorce: Unacceptable (occasionally necessary but only due to other unacceptable behaviors).
Embryonic Stem Cell Research: Unacceptable
Polygamy: Unacceptable
Cloning humans: Unacceptable
Doctor-assisted suicide: Unacceptable
Suicide: Unacceptable
Gambling: Acceptable
Abortion: Unacceptable
Cloning animals: Acceptable
Fur: Acceptable
Affairs: Unacceptable
Death Penalty: Acceptable, but should still be banned
Medical Testing on Animals: Acceptable

I'm always a bit surprised by the difference between 'Having a baby outside marriage' and 'sex outside of marriage' since if having sex is okay I don't see why having a baby wouldn't be.

[jaichind]

Acceptable for all of them

[(Still) muted by Kalwejt until March 31]

Gay Relations: Unacceptable
Having a baby outside of marriage: Acceptable
Sex outside of marriage: Unacceptable
Divorce: Unacceptable (occasionally necessary but only due to other unacceptable behaviors).
Embryonic Stem Cell Research: Unacceptable
Polygamy: Unacceptable
Cloning humans: Unacceptable
Doctor-assisted suicide: Unacceptable
Suicide: Unacceptable
Gambling: Acceptable
Abortion: Unacceptable
Cloning animals: Acceptable
Fur: Acceptable
Affairs: Unacceptable
Death Penalty: Acceptable, but should still be banned
Medical Testing on Animals: Acceptable

I'm always a bit surprised by the difference between 'Having a baby outside marriage' and 'sex outside of marriage' since if having sex is okay I don't see why having a baby wouldn't be.

-Concern for the welfare of the child, man! Stable families!

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

* - in most cases/with caveats

Gay or lesbian relations - A
Having a baby outside of marriage - U
Sex between an unmarried man and woman - U*
Divorce - U*
Medical research using stem cells obtained from human embryos - A
Polygamy - U
Cloning humans - U
Doctor-assisted suicide - A
Suicide - A*
Gambling - A*
Abortion - A
Cloning animals - U
Buying and wearing clothing made of animal fur - U
Married men and women having an affair - U (cuckoldry is also degenerate, of course)
The death penalty - U
Medical testing on animals - U*

[DavidB.]

Polygamy
Acceptable: 53.0%

Only on Atlas...

Yeah, I mean... Jesus.

-Indeed.

Abortion, fur and unmarried sex ok, but gay relationships not? Wtf?

[DavidB.]

I'm always a bit surprised by the difference between 'Having a baby outside marriage' and 'sex outside of marriage' since if having sex is okay I don't see why having a baby wouldn't be.

I voted like that, so I'll respond to this one: how is this strange for those who don't oppose using contraceptives? Having random sex with someone may be problematic in terms of religious law but doesn't have any direct negative consequences for others and could therefore be considered morally acceptable. However, children deserve to grow up in a stable environment with parents who love one another. I don't really care if the kid's parents are legally married, but they better be in a long-term, stable relationship, committed to each other and the family forever.

[(Still) muted by Kalwejt until March 31]

Polygamy
Acceptable: 53.0%

Only on Atlas...

Yeah, I mean... Jesus.

-Indeed.

Abortion, fur and unmarried sex ok, but gay relationships not? Wtf?

-All these were consensus in the Eastern Bloc c. 1970, so this combination is not totally unusual.