Atlas Moral Acceptability Poll

[Intell]

Polygamy
Acceptable: 53.0%

Only on Atlas...

Yeah, I mean... Jesus.

-Indeed.

Abortion, fur and unmarried sex ok, but gay relationships not? Wtf?

-All these were consensus in the Eastern Bloc c. 1970, so this combination is not totally unusual.

Using the eastern bock as consensus for your beliefs as a "republican in the US", or anyone non-leftist, is pretty weird, imo.

[DavidB.]

Polygamy
Acceptable: 53.0%

Only on Atlas...

Yeah, I mean... Jesus.

-Indeed.

Abortion, fur and unmarried sex ok, but gay relationships not? Wtf?

-All these were consensus in the Eastern Bloc c. 1970, so this combination is not totally unusual.

I didn't say it's unusual, I said it's morally weird. No reason to oppose gay relationships if you don't mind unmarried sex and abortion. Do you find it morally acceptable for me to argue you be sent to the Gulag? Was "not totally unusual" too, in the Eastern Bloc. Doesn't make it right.

[Lord Halifax]

Polygamy
Acceptable: 53.0%

Only on Atlas...

Yeah, I mean... Jesus.

-Indeed.

Abortion, fur and unmarried sex ok, but gay relationships not? Wtf?

-All these were consensus in the Eastern Bloc c. 1970, so this combination is not totally unusual.

I didn't say it's unusual, I said it's morally weird. No reason to oppose gay relationships if you don't mind unmarried sex and abortion. Do you find it morally acceptable for me to argue you be sent to the Gulag? Was "not totally unusual" too, in the Eastern Bloc. Doesn't make it right.

Nothing weird about it. There isn't any logical connection between your view of whether abortion is murder and opinion of gays. A lot of people dislike gay relationships for being unnatural without being prudes when it comes to straight sex. It seems your ideas of what is moral are based on religion, but religion doesn't mean squat for many of us and our moral concepts are unrelated to religious ideas.

[DC Al Fine]

Gay Relations: Unacceptable
Having a baby outside of marriage: Acceptable
Sex outside of marriage: Unacceptable
Divorce: Unacceptable (occasionally necessary but only due to other unacceptable behaviors).
Embryonic Stem Cell Research: Unacceptable
Polygamy: Unacceptable
Cloning humans: Unacceptable
Doctor-assisted suicide: Unacceptable
Suicide: Unacceptable
Gambling: Acceptable Depends on the gambler's mindset. Like alcohol it is generally acceptable but unacceptable for a minority of people.
Abortion: Unacceptable
Cloning animals: Acceptable
Fur: Acceptable
Affairs: Unacceptable
Death Penalty: Acceptable, but should still be banned the US really needs to clean up its racial act first if it's to be used for anything short of mass murder.
Medical Testing on Animals: Acceptable

[DavidB.]

Polygamy
Acceptable: 53.0%

Only on Atlas...

Yeah, I mean... Jesus.

-Indeed.

Abortion, fur and unmarried sex ok, but gay relationships not? Wtf?

-All these were consensus in the Eastern Bloc c. 1970, so this combination is not totally unusual.

I didn't say it's unusual, I said it's morally weird. No reason to oppose gay relationships if you don't mind unmarried sex and abortion. Do you find it morally acceptable for me to argue you be sent to the Gulag? Was "not totally unusual" too, in the Eastern Bloc. Doesn't make it right.

Nothing weird about it. There isn't any logical connection between your view of whether abortion is murder and opinion of gays. A lot of people dislike gay relationships for being unnatural without being prudes when it comes to straight sex. It seems your ideas of what is moral are based on religion, but religion doesn't mean squat for many of us and our moral concepts are unrelated to religious ideas.

If you dislike gay relationships because they would be "unnatural" (what does that even mean?) and it's not even based on religion then that's bigotry on a level that most people wouldn't eagerly admit.

[RFayette]

Gay Relations: Usually unacceptable
Having a baby outside of marriage: Acceptable
Sex outside of marriage: Unacceptable
Divorce: Usually unacceptable.
Embryonic Stem Cell Research: Unacceptable
Polygamy: Unacceptable
Cloning humans: Unacceptable
Doctor-assisted suicide: Usually unacceptable
Suicide: Usually unacceptable
Gambling: Acceptable
Abortion: Unacceptable
Cloning animals: Acceptable
Fur: Acceptable
Affairs: Unacceptable
Death Penalty: Acceptable, should be expanded
Medical Testing on Animals: Acceptable

[Goldwater]

Gay Relations: Usually unacceptable
Having a baby outside of marriage: Acceptable
Sex outside of marriage: Unacceptable
Divorce: Usually unacceptable.
Embryonic Stem Cell Research: Unacceptable
Polygamy: Unacceptable
Cloning humans: Unacceptable
Doctor-assisted suicide: Usually unacceptable
Suicide: Usually unacceptable
Gambling: Acceptable
Abortion: Unacceptable
Cloning animals: Acceptable
Fur: Acceptable
Affairs: Unacceptable
Death Penalty: Acceptable, should be expanded
Medical Testing on Animals: Acceptable

Could you elaborate on what you mean by that? I presume you don't find gay relations morally acceptable for religious reasons, but it's the "usually" part that's throwing me off. What makes gay relationships acceptable in some situations? What are those situations?

[RFayette]

Gay Relations: Usually unacceptable
Having a baby outside of marriage: Acceptable
Sex outside of marriage: Unacceptable
Divorce: Usually unacceptable.
Embryonic Stem Cell Research: Unacceptable
Polygamy: Unacceptable
Cloning humans: Unacceptable
Doctor-assisted suicide: Usually unacceptable
Suicide: Usually unacceptable
Gambling: Acceptable
Abortion: Unacceptable
Cloning animals: Acceptable
Fur: Acceptable
Affairs: Unacceptable
Death Penalty: Acceptable, should be expanded
Medical Testing on Animals: Acceptable

Could you elaborate on what you mean by that? I presume you don't find gay relations morally acceptable for religious reasons, but it's the "usually" part that's throwing me off. What makes gay relationships acceptable in some situations? What are those situations?

Just that while I do not subscribe to it, I could see how one could make a case that in limited circumstances, a monogamous homosexual relationship would not be in violation of the New Testament based on alternative translations of Greek words and a contextualizing of some passages.  So I am willing to punt slightly, so to speak.  

[America Needs R'hllor]

I'll repeat this point: why do so many people consider fur to be acceptable? Do you guys know nothing about the process of obtaining it? Because the idea that you do know about it yet simply don't give a sh**t is really too disturbing.

I totally agree with you on this.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

I voted unacceptable on sex between an unmarried man and woman but acceptable on having a baby outside marriage. If non-marital sex happens and pregnancy eventuates from it then the moral thing to do is to bring it safely to term. I see I don't seem to be alone in this.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I voted unacceptable on sex between an unmarried man and woman but acceptable on having a baby outside marriage. If non-marital sex happens and pregnancy eventuates from it then the moral thing to do is to bring it safely to term. I see I don't seem to be alone in this.

I took the question as asking whether it's acceptable to deliberately plan on having a baby outside marriage. I'd hope there aren't many people (aside from certain Atlas posters *coughcough*) who would argue that not interrupting a pregnancy is ever unacceptable.

[Goldwater]

I suppose an argument could be made about abortion being the superior choice to raising a child out of wedlock, though that's not quite the same as saying that not aborting is morally unacceptable.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

I suppose an argument could be made about abortion being the superior choice to raising a child out of wedlock, though that's not quite the same as saying that not aborting is morally unacceptable.

An argument could be made, but would one really want to go there? Really?

[White Trash]

I suppose an argument could be made about abortion being the superior choice to raising a child out of wedlock, though that's not quite the same as saying that not aborting is morally unacceptable.

Nah, I like being alive thank you very much

[Goldwater]

I suppose an argument could be made about abortion being the superior choice to raising a child out of wedlock, though that's not quite the same as saying that not aborting is morally unacceptable.

Nah, I like being alive thank you very much

Hey, I'm not the one making that argument.

[Continential]

All acceptable except for married men and women having an affair and having a non-medically needed abortion after a certain amount of time.

[Ferguson97]

Gay Relations: Acceptable
Having a baby outside of marriage: Acceptable, but I wouldn't advise it
Sex outside of marriage: Acceptable
Divorce: Acceptable
Embryonic Stem Cell Research: Acceptable
Polygamy: Unacceptable
Cloning humans: Unacceptable
Doctor-assisted suicide: Acceptable
Suicide: Unacceptable
Gambling: Acceptable
Abortion: Acceptable
Cloning animals: Acceptable
Fur: Acceptable
Affairs: Unacceptable
Death Penalty: Unacceptable
Medical Testing on Animals: Mostly acceptable

[TheReckoning]

Doctor-assisted suicide: Acceptable
Suicide: Unacceptable

If you’re being honest with yourself, these things are the exact same, it’s just that one requires more people to carry it out.

[John Dule]

Doctor-assisted suicide: Acceptable
Suicide: Unacceptable

If you’re being honest with yourself, these things are the exact same, it’s just that one requires more people to carry it out.

I think we're to assume that physician-assisted suicide applies only to those cases in which the patient is suffering from a severe and incurable disease or pain, whereas suicide applies to all possible cases of killing oneself.

[John Dule]

Also, my list:

Gay Relations: Acceptable if between two individuals
Having a baby outside of marriage: Generally unacceptable
Sex outside of marriage: Acceptable only if in a stable and committed relationship
Divorce: Unacceptable
Embryonic Stem Cell Research: Always good
Polygamy: Unacceptable
Cloning humans: Acceptable
Gambling: Generally unacceptable
Abortion: Acceptable
Cloning animals: Acceptable
Fur: Acceptable
Affairs: Unacceptable
Death Penalty: Unacceptable
Medical Testing on Animals: Acceptable

[TheReckoning]

Doctor-assisted suicide: Acceptable
Suicide: Unacceptable

If you’re being honest with yourself, these things are the exact same, it’s just that one requires more people to carry it out.

I think we're to assume that physician-assisted suicide applies only to those cases in which the patient is suffering from a severe and incurable disease or pain, whereas suicide applies to all possible cases of killing oneself.

Don’t some jurisdictions allow doctor-assisted suicide on request from patient at any time?

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

A new poll should be made that mirrors this in all aspects. This poll should be kept in its pristine state.

[TheReckoning]

A new poll should be made that mirrors this in all aspects. This poll should be kept in its pristine state.

Yeah. What’s up with all this bumping on ancient threads about moral/social issues?

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

Humans > animals.

I hate past me.

[Xing]

Mostly agree with my previous answers, but a slight update:

Gay Relations: Acceptable, of course.
Having a baby outside of marriage: Acceptable, though not ideal.
Sex outside of marriage: Acceptable, of course.
Divorce: Acceptable and necessary.
Embryonic Stem Cell Research: Acceptable, and can save lives.
Polygamy: I personally don't think it's great, but so long as everyone involved is honest with one another, I don't think it's inherently wrong Unacceptable, definitely misinterpreted this one.
Cloning humans: Unacceptable, since I think it would cause enormous problems of identity and consent would obviously be another huge issue.
Doctor-assisted suicide: Acceptable, particularly specificallyfor those with a terminal and debilitating illness. (Poor choice of words.)
Suicide: Unacceptable. While this isn't really a case of right/wrong, suicides have a devastating impact on families and communities, and I think it must be fought and prevented.
Gambling: Acceptable, though obviously risky.
Abortion: Acceptable, though not desirable.
Cloning animals: Unacceptable, for the same reason similar reasons as human cloning.
Fur: Unacceptable, except in places where there are no alternatives.
Affairs: Unacceptable, since this implies not everyone is aware of what is going on.
Death Penalty: Unacceptable, except in extreme cases.
Medical Testing on Animals: Acceptable, though alternative methods are better.