Atlas Moral Acceptability Poll

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Gay or lesbian relations: Acceptable

Having a baby outside of marriage: Acceptable, though will cause problems, which should be avoided.

Sex between an unmarried man and woman: Acceptable, though should be kept to be a minimum, or even refrained till marriage. The culture of one-night stands and sex above all else is vile, and unacceptable however.

Divorce: Acceptable, but there is a much too high divorce rate in the western culture, with too much emphasis on "love" and the "perfect person" or whatever leading to high rates of divorce.

Medical research using stem cells from human embryos: Acceptable

Polygamy: Unacceptable, causes problems, emotional trauma, and even cultish like behaviour, along with degradation of a person, especially women. The fact that half of the people thought this kind of relationship is acceptable is god awful.

Cloning Humans: Unacceptable, there is a reason we exist in this world, though the beauty of creation, and cloning humans ruins such a creation of human birth and human creation. Especially when such cloning could lead to godawful problems in the future, this is definitely unacceptable. No-one should vote acceptable.

Doctor-Assisted Suicide: Acceptable, in certain scenarios, though should be avoided.

Suicide: Unacceptable, the fact that a third of people voted acceptable to this, is what's frightening and awful.

Abortion: Generally Unacceptable, and imdefinetly should definitely be avoided..

Cloning Animals: Unacceptable, the fact that a huge majority voted acceptable is awful.

Buying and wearing clothing made of animal fur: Acceptable, though could see reasons why people vote unacceptable.

Married men and women having an affair: Unacceptable, the fact that 7 people voted acceptable is insanity and awful.

The Death Penalty: Acceptable, though should generally be avoided, though in principle I don't oppose for certain crimes.

Medical testing on animals: Acceptable.



 

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Sobering numbers on out-of-wedlock births.

Also, is it just me, or is there something a bit laughable about the fact that a majority of Americans say that it's OK to have children out of wedlock, yet very few who will claim that having an affair is acceptable? I'm not saying that it's incoherent, I just think that it's telling that more of us are bothered by a betrayal of our romantic ideals about marriage than we are about the failure of marriage as a structure for sustaining stable families.

A stable, committed relationship doesn't require marriage. Indeed, the former without the latter is increasingly common. While this trend might be unfortunate in some respect, calling it "morally unacceptable" strikes me as a bit of a stretch.

I completely disagree. Marriage isn't just a word or an arbitrary contrivance; it is the legal, social, and spiritual structure on which families are built. Our personal feelings about a relationship's stability and commitment level are insufficient.

This is a very bizarre statement. Why should someone surrender their relationship to past foundations of family structure if that relationship is healthy and good? It's obvious/clear that out of wedlock birth is a disturbing trend but we can't generalize here and start arguing that it's immoral; there are plenty of people who deliberately/intentionally avoid marriage and who have fine families.

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Gambling being immoral is stupid. If you don't let people too irresponsible to not screw themselves do it, any ethical problems vanish.

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Why the f**k should anything else matter in a relationship!?!

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The nuclear family being any more inherently stable then other systems is BS. Marriage doesn't magically grant stability, and its not the job of some collective to decide the stability of an individual relationship

The idea of marriage goes beyond love. Marriage is an institution, that means your relationship is strong, and you remain committed to each other for life. This is inherently more superior than other relationships. However do I think that children being born out of wedlock is inherently unacceptable, no, as any sort of sex may result to such an arrangement, and for that, I would have to say pre-marital sex is also unacceptable. However, having babies, should be done within the realm of marriage, and marriage extends more beyond one's relationships, and the "idea", that marriage is all about one's love for each other, which causes the high divorce rates in western countries, which causes pain to the children, who many a time are a victim of divorce.

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Cloning humans = Acceptable (as long as the human being cloned consents)
Suicide = Acceptable (I went with this because even though I know it's sh*tty, it's that person's life to take. They understood what was going to happen.)

This sort of logic is annoying, as what is consent? Consent does not mean everything, consent means very little in wide array of things.

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Why does consent matter in terms of morality? Is it acceptable to take drugs, because you consented to it. Is it acceptable to have a sword fight to the death if both parties consented to it? Consent matters jack shyte, in laws or morality.

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Why does consent matter in terms of morality? Is it acceptable to take drugs, because you consented to it. Is it acceptable to have a sword fight to the death if both parties consented to it? Consent matters jack shyte, in laws or morality.

Well, I would say that the lack of consent matters a very great deal to morality and laws...

Lack of Consent, yes, giving consent should not matter on a vast of majority of circumstances.

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Why does consent matter in terms of morality? Is it acceptable to take drugs, because you consented to it. Is it acceptable to have a sword fight to the death if both parties consented to it? Consent matters jack shyte, in laws or morality.

Is it acceptable to take drugs, because you consented to it? Yes, of course. (not an authoritarian creep)
Is it acceptable to have a sword fight to the death if both parties consented to it? No.

Consent definitely matters. Consent is what divides rape from sex. When an act cannot be said to affect others or the public interest and no power imbalances exist, consent is the difference between something that's morally disgusting and something that's morally neutral (acceptable).

Lack of Consent is immoral, yes.

Giving Consent should not be the basis of laws however.

I do not think taking drugs, if consented to, is acceptable. Cocaine, crystal meth, heroin in my opinion anyway are not acceptable even if consented to. Drugs and accepting to take part in  a sword fight are the same, as both could very well result in the death of one of the individuals, and therefore should not be accepted, by society.

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Why does consent matter in terms of morality? Is it acceptable to take drugs, because you consented to it. Is it acceptable to have a sword fight to the death if both parties consented to it? Consent matters jack shyte, in laws or morality.

Is it acceptable to take drugs, because you consented to it? Yes, of course. (not an authoritarian creep)
Is it acceptable to have a sword fight to the death if both parties consented to it? No.

Consent definitely matters. Consent is what divides rape from sex. When an act cannot be said to affect others or the public interest and no power imbalances exist, consent is the difference between something that's morally disgusting and something that's morally neutral (acceptable).

Lack of Consent is immoral, yes.

Giving Consent should not be the basis of laws however.

I do not think taking drugs, if consented to, is acceptable. Cocaine, crystal meth, heroin in my opinion anyway are not acceptable even if consented to. Drugs and accepting to take part in  a sword fight are the same, as both could very well result in the death of one of the individuals, and therefore should not be accepted, by society.

Who says that morality is always the basis of law? Doing drugs is morally neutral, not deserving of condemnation or praise (subject to context, of course). However, reducing drug use is a worthwhile goal. These two opinions are entirely compatible.

I believe doing drugs is morally wrong, as that hurts you and those around you, but I guess we have a difference of opinion. I am of a firm belief that morals + societal/communal wellbeing should be the basis of laws. This should be the case in reality, and especially in an ideal world.

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Why does lack of consent make something immoral? It is morally justifiable to kill in self-defense, even if the attacker is not culpable. Most would consider attempting to help drug or gambling addicts against their will to be not only morally acceptable, but morally necessary. Parents have a certain degree of absolute authority over their minor children, even if they have reached an age where the state has determined that they can be held responsible for their actions.

And most of all - one cannot say that lack of consent automatically makes something immoral and simultaneously support abortion.

Lack of consent, I mean being forced to do things that are bad for them, would make an action much worse, than if done consensually, which would still remain a bad action, but less so.

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Polygamy
Acceptable: 53.0%

Only on Atlas...

Yeah, I mean... Jesus.

-Indeed.

Abortion, fur and unmarried sex ok, but gay relationships not? Wtf?

-All these were consensus in the Eastern Bloc c. 1970, so this combination is not totally unusual.

Using the eastern bock as consensus for your beliefs as a "republican in the US", or anyone non-leftist, is pretty weird, imo.