Opinion of MY version of ProLife

[Young Conservative]

Just wondering what you think. I think to be truly ProLife you have to be ProLife on all issues.

[White Trash]

Exactly the way I am. Pro-life from the womb to the grave.

[Dereich]

What does "as a last resort" mean? Taken literally you would be against US involvement in WWII. After all, we could have responded to Pearl Harbor by dropping the oil embargo and offering to negotiate.

And most people would call themselves anti torture. The question there is also how you define torture; where do you fall on "advanced interrogation techniques"?

[Frozen Sky Ever Why]

Anti-euthanasia=HI

[Person Man]

Anti-euthanasia=HI

Eurhanasia is awful. Assisted Suicide is an important personal thing.
I'd gladly support a non-violent consistent life ethic....no one else needs to be in jail. No pre-implantation rights against medical research.

So, I'm definitely pro-choice but this is FI.

[Miles]

Exactly the way I am. Pro-life from the womb to the grave.

[Goldwater]

Well, considering that "anti-torture" is probably the only one that applies to me, I guess I have to go with HI.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

Exactly the way I am. Pro-life from the womb to the grave.

[Young Conservative]

Exactly the way I am. Pro-life from the womb to the grave.

I like that way of putting it
Edit: womb to tomb rhymes so I like that lol

[Intell]

So you're for universal healthcare, and for a welfare state that looks out for the poor, with  high levels of taxation on the rich to provide resources to essential services for society, that save people's lives.

Oh wait no...

[angus]

FF.

[White Trash]

So you're for universal healthcare, and for a welfare state that looks out for the poor, with  high levels of taxation on the rich to provide resources to essential services for society, that save people's lives.

Oh wait no...

Well, I am.

[RI]

So you're for universal healthcare, and for a welfare state that looks out for the poor, with  high levels of taxation on the rich to provide resources to essential services for society, that save people's lives.

Oh wait no...

There are more than a few such posters on this forum.

[Intell]

So you're for universal healthcare, and for a welfare state that looks out for the poor, with  high levels of taxation on the rich to provide resources to essential services for society, that save people's lives.

Oh wait no...

Well, I am.

I know that, I was referring Silent Cal

[Intell]

So you're for universal healthcare, and for a welfare state that looks out for the poor, with  high levels of taxation on the rich to provide resources to essential services for society, that save people's lives.

Oh wait no...

There are more than a few such posters on this forum.

I was referring to silent cal, quite obviously. You're good.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

So you're for universal healthcare, and for a welfare state that looks out for the poor, with  high levels of taxation on the rich to provide resources to essential services for society, that save people's lives.

Oh wait no...

If you are against killing you are pro-life.  People can argue about economic policies all they want but it's completely irrelevant to this discussion.

[Intell]

So you're for universal healthcare, and for a welfare state that looks out for the poor, with  high levels of taxation on the rich to provide resources to essential services for society, that save people's lives.

Oh wait no...

If you are against killing you are pro-life.  People can argue about economic policies all they want but it's completely irrelevant to this discussion.

It's not.

[Young Conservative]

So you're for universal healthcare, and for a welfare state that looks out for the poor, with  high levels of taxation on the rich to provide resources to essential services for society, that save people's lives.

Oh wait no...

If you are against killing you are pro-life.  People can argue about economic policies all they want but it's completely irrelevant to this discussion.

It's not.

It is. I devote my personal time and resources to helping others, but I don't think socialism helps others. Capitalism is the single greatest system for poverty eradication in the world.

[Intell]

So you're for universal healthcare, and for a welfare state that looks out for the poor, with  high levels of taxation on the rich to provide resources to essential services for society, that save people's lives.

Oh wait no...

If you are against killing you are pro-life.  People can argue about economic policies all they want but it's completely irrelevant to this discussion.

It's not.

It is. I devote my personal time and resources to helping others, but I don't think socialism helps others. Capitalism is the single greatest system for poverty eradication in the world.

No, Capitalism supports poverty and injustice. Besides I'm not talking about socialism vs capitalism. I am talking about a decent welfare state and universal healthcare to feed the poor and hungry so they are not left downtrodden to left without hope and left to die, as the state doesn't do aything.

This is a part of a constant life ethic, a part good human morality.

You cannot separate such issues out, as much as you want to.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

So you're for universal healthcare, and for a welfare state that looks out for the poor, with  high levels of taxation on the rich to provide resources to essential services for society, that save people's lives.

Oh wait no...

If you are against killing you are pro-life.  People can argue about economic policies all they want but it's completely irrelevant to this discussion.

It's not.

It is. I devote my personal time and resources to helping others, but I don't think socialism helps others. Capitalism is the single greatest system for poverty eradication in the world.

No, Capitalism supports poverty and injustice. Besides I'm not talking about socialism vs capitalism. I am talking about a decent welfare state and universal healthcare to feed the poor and hungry so they are not left downtrodden to left without hope and left to die, as the state doesn't do aything.

This is a part of a constant life ethic, a part good human morality.

You cannot separate such issues out, as much as you want to.

He believes that capitalism is the best way to do that. Stop pretending that being "prolife" requires agreeing with you on every economic policy.

[Intell]

So you're for universal healthcare, and for a welfare state that looks out for the poor, with  high levels of taxation on the rich to provide resources to essential services for society, that save people's lives.

Oh wait no...

If you are against killing you are pro-life.  People can argue about economic policies all they want but it's completely irrelevant to this discussion.

It's not.

It is. I devote my personal time and resources to helping others, but I don't think socialism helps others. Capitalism is the single greatest system for poverty eradication in the world.

No, Capitalism supports poverty and injustice. Besides I'm not talking about socialism vs capitalism. I am talking about a decent welfare state and universal healthcare to feed the poor and hungry so they are not left downtrodden to left without hope and left to die, as the state doesn't do aything.

This is a part of a constant life ethic, a part good human morality.

You cannot separate such issues out, as much as you want to.

He believes that capitalism is the best way to do that. Stop pretending that being "prolife" requires agreeing with you on every economic policy.

Being pro-universal healthcare, and pro-welfare state is required yes.

Do pro-life people (like me) claim that holding a pro-abortion, is contrary to to supporting a life ethic yes (which is correct position to hold). I believe being anti-welfare, and anti-universal healthcare is contrary to a constant pro-life ethic (which is also the correct position to hold).

Again I mentioned nothing about socialism vs capitalism, you guys added that in. But if we're going on the topic, I believe that socialism is the more moral and just system, which should not abolish capitalism in its entirety but get rid of the anti-social natures of capitalism, for a world of equality and morality.

I mentioned nothing about socialism, in my first post.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

So you're for universal healthcare, and for a welfare state that looks out for the poor, with  high levels of taxation on the rich to provide resources to essential services for society, that save people's lives.

Oh wait no...

If you are against killing you are pro-life.  People can argue about economic policies all they want but it's completely irrelevant to this discussion.

It's not.

It is. I devote my personal time and resources to helping others, but I don't think socialism helps others. Capitalism is the single greatest system for poverty eradication in the world.

No, Capitalism supports poverty and injustice. Besides I'm not talking about socialism vs capitalism. I am talking about a decent welfare state and universal healthcare to feed the poor and hungry so they are not left downtrodden to left without hope and left to die, as the state doesn't do aything.

This is a part of a constant life ethic, a part good human morality.

You cannot separate such issues out, as much as you want to.

He believes that capitalism is the best way to do that. Stop pretending that being "prolife" requires agreeing with you on every economic policy.

Being pro-universal healthcare, and pro-welfare state is required yes.

Do pro-life people claim that holding a pro-choice, is contrary to contrary to supporting a life ethic yes. I believe being anti-welfare, and anti-universal healthcare is contrary to a constant pro-life ethic.

Again I mentioned nothing about socialism vs capitalism, you guys added that in. But if we're going on the topic, I believe that socialism is the more moral and just system, which should not abolish capitalism in its entirety but get rid of the anti-social natures of capitalism, for a world of equality and morality.

I mentioned nothing about socialism, in my first post.

I didn't mention socialism either. (need to go to bed desperately, so not responding in full).

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Are you vegan?

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

The description opening the thread is close to what I hold to. "Last resort" is a tricky concept and not an adequate one to base a theory of war on, but I know what you are trying to get at. What to do about the legality and acceptability of assisted suicide is a question I struggle over, and seems to me a different sort of issue than the others it is sometimes put together with.  But it certainly ought not come to be normalized as just a matter of course procedure, with the danger of it possibly becoming an outright expectation for some.

Being consistently pro-life means not being satisfied with the status quo when it comes to poverty.  A large welfare state is one possible response to that, but it isn't the only one.  There's a pro-life argument to be made in favor of something so libertarian as a non-aggression principle (no initiation of force in pursuit of social goals), but one call also argue from a pro-life perspective that such a thing is not satisfactory to enable people to live as much as may be possible with a more active government.  Or it may be that what is required is some fundamental reordering of the economy in some way other than a greater dependence on government, while ways of strengthening communities, civil society, and families.  If one is honest, it requires real reflection about the social and ethical cost of any proposed political-economic policy to try for an approximation of a truly pro-life approach.

[Person Man]

Are you vegan?

That's kind of a good question.