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« on: January 11, 2017, 03:35:58 AM »
« edited: January 11, 2017, 04:10:03 AM by ERM64man »

What is the reason Bernie Sanders easily won the primary in Northampton and Amherst MA, but lost Hacienda Heights, CA; and Long Beach, CA was very competitive? Sanders won MA-2 but lost CA-47 and CA-39.
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« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2017, 04:00:53 AM »

What is the reason Bernie Sanders easily won the primary in Northampton and Amherst MA, but lost Hacienda Heights, CA; and Long Beach, CA was very competitive?

In California, I think the primary may have split more on income than race. Bernie won the most diverse city in America, Oakland, but badly lost the rich mostly white city of Piedmont that it surrounds.
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« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2017, 04:02:48 AM »
« Edited: January 11, 2017, 04:04:42 AM by ERM64man »

What is the reason Bernie Sanders easily won the primary in Northampton and Amherst MA, but lost Hacienda Heights, CA; and Long Beach, CA was very competitive?

In California, I think the primary may have split more on income than race. Bernie won the most diverse city in America, Oakland, but badly lost the rich mostly white city of Piedmont that it surrounds.
Was it a close race in Oakland?
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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2017, 04:03:16 AM »

What is the reason Bernie Sanders easily won the primary in Northampton and Amherst MA, but lost Hacienda Heights, CA; and Long Beach, CA was very competitive?

In California, I think the primary may have split more on income than race. Bernie won the most diverse city in America, Oakland, but badly lost the rich mostly white city of Piedmont that it surrounds.
Was it a close race in Oakland?

Yes, but Bernie did win it.
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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2017, 04:03:59 AM »
« Edited: January 11, 2017, 04:16:01 AM by ERM64man »

Why was MA-2 an easy win for Sanders but CA-39 and CA-47 were losses for him?
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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2017, 08:54:26 AM »

Why was MA-2 an easy win for Sanders but CA-39 and CA-47 were losses for him?

I'm confused. What is the rationale for making a comparison between those districts?

MA-2 is not affluent, not diverse, is close to Vermont, and includes some very white liberal centers in the Five Colleges area. It is mostly rural and small-town other than the city of Worcester. I don't see any kinship with either of the CA districts you mention—which are also not very similar to each other.
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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2017, 02:39:09 PM »
« Edited: January 11, 2017, 02:47:57 PM by ERM64man »

Why was MA-2 an easy win for Sanders but CA-39 and CA-47 were losses for him?

I'm confused. What is the rationale for making a comparison between those districts?

MA-2 is not affluent, not diverse, is close to Vermont, and includes some very white liberal centers in the Five Colleges area. It is mostly rural and small-town other than the city of Worcester. I don't see any kinship with either of the CA districts you mention—which are also not very similar to each other.
Difference in demographics between the Democratic voting base in those two states. Clinton beat Sanders in both of those CA districts. Why did the Five Colleges area vote to legalize marijuana while Hacienda Heights (in CA-39) and Garden Grove (partially in CA-47) overwhelmingly voted against it? CA-47 and CA-39 both voted for the establishment candidate in the primary, that is one thing they have in common; MA-2, however, voted differently.
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« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2017, 06:32:57 AM »

What is the reason Bernie Sanders easily won the primary in Northampton and Amherst MA, but lost Hacienda Heights, CA; and Long Beach, CA was very competitive?

In California, I think the primary may have split more on income than race. Bernie won the most diverse city in America, Oakland, but badly lost the rich mostly white city of Piedmont that it surrounds.

Similiarly, Bernie won Xavier Becerra's almost entirely Hispanic district in LA, while getting annihilated in the mostly white Santa Monica district.
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« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2017, 10:00:15 AM »

What is the reason Bernie Sanders easily won the primary in Northampton and Amherst MA, but lost Hacienda Heights, CA; and Long Beach, CA was very competitive?

In California, I think the primary may have split more on income than race. Bernie won the most diverse city in America, Oakland, but badly lost the rich mostly white city of Piedmont that it surrounds.

Similiarly, Bernie won Xavier Becerra's almost entirely Hispanic district in LA, while getting annihilated in the mostly white Santa Monica district.

How bad was turnout in Becerra's district, I wonder?
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« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2017, 02:22:43 AM »
« Edited: January 14, 2017, 02:28:06 AM by ERM64man »

What is the reason Bernie Sanders easily won the primary in Northampton and Amherst MA, but lost Hacienda Heights, CA; and Long Beach, CA was very competitive?

In California, I think the primary may have split more on income than race. Bernie won the most diverse city in America, Oakland, but badly lost the rich mostly white city of Piedmont that it surrounds.

Similiarly, Bernie won Xavier Becerra's almost entirely Hispanic district in LA, while getting annihilated in the mostly white Santa Monica district.
Why did Clinton do far better (even in the districts Sanders won) in districts that have large Hispanic populations than she did in the Five Colleges area? What is the reason Clinton also won CA-47 against Sanders by a wider margin in Orange County than in Los Angeles County (Clinton still won the LA County side of CA-47, albeit more narrowly).
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« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2017, 06:41:53 PM »

I still don't get why you're expecting these areas to be remotely similar to each other. It's like asking about the general election, "Why did Clinton win San Francisco in a landslide, while Trump won rural Nebraska!?"
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