The FDA and vaping

[dead0man]

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So the FDA has made it illegal for the sellers of vape devices to claim they are to help you quit smoking.  Their reasoning is the FDA has "rules" over things that can be used to treat diseases.  But smoking isn't a disease you say, well, I'll let them explain.

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Well howa'bout that.  So if a thing is used to help you get healthy, according to the FDA, they should be able to regulate it.  That app that tells you how far you've ran?  Jogging shoes?  Motivational poster?

The FDA is telling us is that they don't want us to know vaping is a healthier alternative to actual smoking (which it is) and doing it for specious reasons.  Thanks FDA, great job

[ProgressiveCanadian]

The FDA needs to be shut down for its outright lies and propoganda.

[Bacon King]

I agree with Averroes that the FDA is terrible at many things and I don't want vaping to be regulated but I honestly understand their logic here

1. they have a legal mandate to regulate consumable products that claim to treat diseases and require such statements be veritably accurate and ensure they are specific enough to not contravene regulations through implications or vagueness of claims

2. honestly substance addition *is* a disease in and of itself whether that's technically true by the FDA's guidelines or not, but besides that, cigarette use is so intensely associated with so many deadly diseases that cigarette addiction is virtually synonymous with "will probably develop a severe lung condition and/or some type of cancer" to the extent that "quit smoking" is effectively literally shorthand for "no longer dying of cancer hopefully"

3. honestly the jury is still out on a lot of the long-term effects that regular and frequent vaping might have on the body.

4. I've personally seen people switch back and for between vape and cig, and even a couple of people who became regular smokers only after getting into vaping, so the relationship isn't as cut and dry as "vaping stops you from smoking"

5. at the end of the day who even gives a sh what the FDA puts in the fine print or whether they allow specific phrases to be used in advertisement when its benefits as an anti-smoking tool has spread everywhere through word of mouth anyway

6. its not like they're implying literally any ability to regulate vaping on its own, just whether a specific claim about vaping referencing another substance regulated by the FDA is permissible in the context of commercial claims made referencing that substance

[dead0man]

1.smoking isn't a disease
2.smoking still isn't a disease, and neither is "addiction"...i understand some people want to change the definition, well, good luck I guess.
3.really, you really think vaping might be as bad as smoking? 'cause that's the only thing that matters here
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5.you don't care that private entities can't make a factual claim because of this?  k, that's weird, surely you understand that other people might not like it?
6.yep, that's what they're doing, not sure why it needed to be pointed out again

[Mr. Reactionary]

My understanding is that the FDAs authority to regulate nicotine came from a 2009 law on the argument that nicotine is a drug and cigarettes are drug delivery devices rather than that smoking is a disease and the FDA has some ultra broad "protect the public health" mandate. This is definitely short sighted regulation by the FDA but the real culprit is the 2009 law.

[Bacon King]

1.smoking isn't a disease
2.smoking still isn't a disease, and neither is "addiction"...i understand some people want to change the definition, well, good luck I guess.
3.really, you really think vaping might be as bad as smoking? 'cause that's the only thing that matters here
4.k
5.you don't care that private entities can't make a factual claim because of this?  k, that's weird, surely you understand that other people might not like it?
6.yep, that's what they're doing, not sure why it needed to be pointed out again

If you're going to crudely dismiss and blatantly misinterpret everything I'm saying then I don't really see the point in continuing this conversation, thanks.

[Green Line]

If it doesnt give cancer, then whats the issue??

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

The FDA is the reason I've had to buy ten vaporizers in the last four months because they break down constantly (thanks, JAI-NUH) and can't be returned because 'muh tobacco laws.'  As far as I'm concerned, they can go pound sand.