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« on: January 12, 2017, 10:29:35 AM »

https://www.nofap.com

So here's this group of people (mainly men) who have started a Reddit group that aims to quit masturbation for 90 days, even without pornography. They believe it's the main cause as to their depression, lack of motivation, and lack of sex. Reading through their group posts on their sub Reddit, r/NoFap, shows that a lot of people are here for positivity and motivation.

That being said, their premise is inherently flawed and blaming masturbation for your ills is nonsensical unless you're devoting hours per day to it. Not to mention, some of their posts are downright questionable and pretty zealous.

HG on the whole.
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« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2017, 10:36:03 AM »

FG. G-d doesn't want us to fap. Of course it's ridiculous to think masturbation causes depression, but they will find out themselves. And maybe the placebo effect will make them more motivated and happier. If someone doesn't feel good, making a harmless change in their life they believe will help them may actually help change their mindset.
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« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2017, 10:56:46 AM »

It sounds kind of dumb to me, but whatever makes them happy I suppose.
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« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2017, 11:06:19 AM »

An admirable goal. A good start would be to try to get laid more often.
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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2017, 12:46:23 PM »

An admirable goal. A good start would be to try to get laid more often.

"Trying to get laid" the way men usually go about it is infinitely more immoral than masturbation.
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« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2017, 01:09:28 PM »

FG. G-d doesn't want us to fap. Of course it's ridiculous to think masturbation causes depression, but they will find out themselves. And maybe the placebo effect will make them more motivated and happier. If someone doesn't feel good, making a harmless change in their life they believe will help them may actually help change their mindset.
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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2017, 02:00:00 PM »

The idea that not masturbating is actually helpful in any way is questionable.
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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2017, 02:12:26 PM »

Limiting how often one masturbates is a great idea in of itself, but I get the impression that the Reddit sub is pretty much a pseudoscientific MRA hub, so HG, I guess.
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« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2017, 03:13:51 PM »

everything about this thread is so atlas. ugh.
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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2017, 05:18:43 PM »

everything about this thread is so atlas. ugh.
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« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2017, 06:22:29 PM »


How do you know that?  Did he tell you?
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« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2017, 06:31:02 PM »

Pretty stupid, tbh. But they can do whatever makes them happy, just as I do.
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« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2017, 08:17:27 PM »

Masturbation is good. Sex is better. People should do as much of both as they want to, and without feeling fear or guilt about it.

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« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2017, 08:18:56 PM »

HG.  Let's dispel with this fiction that masturbation is somehow unhealthy, abnormal, etc.  Time for Murica to shed its prudish, Puritanical past and join the 21st century.
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« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2017, 08:24:20 PM »

HG.  Let's dispel with this fiction that masturbation is somehow unhealthy, abnormal, etc.  Time for Murica to shed its prudish, Puritanical past and join the 21st century.

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« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2017, 08:37:22 PM »

HG.  Let's dispel with this fiction that masturbation is somehow unhealthy, abnormal, etc.  Time for Murica to shed its prudish, Puritanical past and join the 21st century.
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« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2017, 08:42:52 PM »

HG.  Let's dispel with this fiction that masturbation is somehow unhealthy, abnormal, etc.  Time for Murica to shed its prudish, Puritanical past and join the 21st century.


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« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2017, 08:48:15 PM »

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« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2017, 09:31:38 PM »

Love it when random people on the internet look up the first Google result and think they know more about halachic debates than I. Hint: you don't.
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« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2017, 09:40:14 PM »

Love it when random people on the internet look up the first Google result and think they know more about halachic debates than I. Hint: you don't.

Then explain why Maimonides was wrong.
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« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2017, 09:50:10 PM »
« Edited: January 12, 2017, 09:52:12 PM by DavidB. »

Love it when random people on the internet look up the first Google result and think they know more about halachic debates than I. Hint: you don't.
Then explain why Maimonides was wrong.
He's not, but you're misunderstanding his argument. Maimonides states that the Tanakh does not ban [male] masturbation, which is true. However, the Talmud, on which Jewish law is largely based, does, and this has also been codified in the Shulchan Aruch which is nowadays almost universally considered to be authoritative.
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« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2017, 09:50:30 PM »

Oh well.
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« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2017, 09:52:07 PM »

Love it when random people on the internet look up the first Google result and think they know more about halachic debates than I. Hint: you don't.
Then explain why Maimonides was wrong.
Maimonides states that the Tanakh does not ban [male] masturbation, which is true. However, the Talmud, on which Jewish law is largely based, does, and this has also been codified in the Shulchan Aruch which is nowadays almost universally considered to be authoritative.

Give the specific passage.
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« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2017, 09:53:43 PM »

Love it when random people on the internet look up the first Google result and think they know more about halachic debates than I. Hint: you don't.
Then explain why Maimonides was wrong.
Maimonides states that the Tanakh does not ban [male] masturbation, which is true. However, the Talmud, on which Jewish law is largely based, does, and this has also been codified in the Shulchan Aruch which is nowadays almost universally considered to be authoritative.
Give the specific passage.
I could, but I'm not going to give you Jewish lessons while unremunerated. I think you and I both know you don't know anything about this subject, so we'd have to start at a much more basic level. You can PM me if you're interested.
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« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2017, 10:22:50 PM »
« Edited: January 12, 2017, 10:26:44 PM by RIP Jante's Law, FF »

Masturbation is good. Sex is better. People should do as much of both as they want to, and without feeling fear or guilt about it.

The idea that a reality as multifaceted and embedded in the complexities of human experience as sex could possibly be inherently good or inherently evil is frankly downright ridiculous.
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