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« Reply #50 on: January 16, 2017, 03:23:00 AM »

There's so much insane stuff going on here I'm not even sure where to begin.

I'll just go through your points one by one

1. You don't like news articles appearing in right wing news sites like Breitbart.com. You presumably prefer left wing sources like CNN, WaPo or NYT. I know that's your preference but that's not really an argument against the substance of the report.

If the source itself is untrustworthy, then the article presented by said source is also likely untrustworthy. Breitbart is a news site that publishes undeniably bigoted, prejudiced, and conspiratorial articles. Why should I, or any sane person, trust what comes from them?

Events and reporting of them over the last few weeks and months have shown that Breitbart is significantly more trustworthy and reliable than many 'respectable' left wing new outlets like the Washington Post



Yeah, you really need to get out more.  That propaganda will rot your brain.  You still might have some time to correct it.
Seriously? After all the fake news they've been producing lately you're seriously going to suggest that the Washington Post isn't less reliable and trustworthy than Breitbart Roll Eyes
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« Reply #51 on: January 16, 2017, 03:32:34 AM »

There's so much insane stuff going on here I'm not even sure where to begin.

I'll just go through your points one by one

1. You don't like news articles appearing in right wing news sites like Breitbart.com. You presumably prefer left wing sources like CNN, WaPo or NYT. I know that's your preference but that's not really an argument against the substance of the report.

If the source itself is untrustworthy, then the article presented by said source is also likely untrustworthy. Breitbart is a news site that publishes undeniably bigoted, prejudiced, and conspiratorial articles. Why should I, or any sane person, trust what comes from them?

Events and reporting of them over the last few weeks and months have shown that Breitbart is significantly more trustworthy and reliable than many 'respectable' left wing new outlets like the Washington Post



Yeah, you really need to get out more.  That propaganda will rot your brain.  You still might have some time to correct it.
Seriously? After all the fake news they've been producing lately you're seriously going to suggest that the Washington Post isn't less reliable and trustworthy than Breitbart Roll Eyes
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« Reply #52 on: January 16, 2017, 07:54:54 AM »

There's so much insane stuff going on here I'm not even sure where to begin.

I'll just go through your points one by one

1. You don't like news articles appearing in right wing news sites like Breitbart.com. You presumably prefer left wing sources like CNN, WaPo or NYT. I know that's your preference but that's not really an argument against the substance of the report.

If the source itself is untrustworthy, then the article presented by said source is also likely untrustworthy. Breitbart is a news site that publishes undeniably bigoted, prejudiced, and conspiratorial articles. Why should I, or any sane person, trust what comes from them?

Events and reporting of them over the last few weeks and months have shown that Breitbart is significantly more trustworthy and reliable than many 'respectable' left wing new outlets like the Washington Post



Yeah, you really need to get out more.  That propaganda will rot your brain.  You still might have some time to correct it.
Seriously? After all the fake news they've been producing lately you're seriously going to suggest that the Washington Post isn't less reliable and trustworthy than Breitbart Roll Eyes
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« Reply #53 on: January 16, 2017, 10:10:44 AM »

There's so much insane stuff going on here I'm not even sure where to begin.

1. This article was published by Breitbart, which should be sufficient to discredit it

2. It was written by the ex-Congressman Tom Tancredo, a right-wing fanatic

3. There was hardly any detail or actual analysis of this supposed left-wing indoctrination in the article, merely Tancredo ranting about how awful and powerful the left wing social justice advocates have supposedly become

4. The article cites the NAS, which is a conservative Republican organization formed in opposition to the mainstream of higher education and multiculturalism, whose founder became right-wing due to African American riots

5. It's funny that you believe, simply because those in higher education disagree with your perspective, that they must be the uninformed ones. These are professionals, highly educated in their fields, and significantly more knowledgeable than you, me, or Tancredo on these topics; the fact that all these highly educated people strongly disagree with your perspective may not indicate some conspiracy, but that you're misinformed and wrong

6. What's wrong with teaching students the truth about America's government and our nation's history? Yes, our founders were extremely hypocritical when they wrote "all men are created equal" while they had African Americans bound in slavery, countless European immigrants weren't viewed as White because they weren't British, and anyone who wasn't a British, land owning male was disenfranchised. Our government has repeatedly engaged in discrimination (slavery, forced removals of Native Americans, Jim Crow and segregation, internment of Japanese, immigration restrictions passed on the grounds of Northern European supremacy lasting until 1965, anti-miscegenation laws, criminalization of homosexuality until only a little over a decade ago, systemic police violence and harassment of African Americans, underfunding of lower class schools, talk of targeting a specific religious minority for exclusion and targeted surveillance even in 2016, forced sterilization of the poor and mentally ill lasting until the 1970s, disproportionate representation of privileged groups in positions of wealth and power with disproportionate representation of the underprivileged in prison and poverty, and so on). Are those things not real? Did they not happen? Were they not perpetrated by a government which claimed to support "all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with equal rights"? Or am I just making all that up?

7. To be a good citizen is to challenge our government and society's norms which defy that proclamation of human equality when it falls short of the mark. It's to not blindly accept and worship our often hypocritical and faulty leaders who habitually excuses and justified their violations of those truths in the Declaration of Independence. To be civically engaged and a good American is to help our country live up to those ideals, not close our eyes and ears to pretend like nothing bad ever happened or is happening. It's also to accept that some of us have privilege due to our race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexuality, gender identity, country of origin, and socioeconomic class. Only by acknowledging this privilege can we understand the plight of others not as fortunate as those of us with privilege, both historically and presently, and begin to right those wrongs.

Muslims need to pay for their deeds. It may help reduce terrorism. Most whites don't go around bombing things.  What white people did was in the past. That was then, this is now. 9/11 was 15 years ago, 21st century. We're still in the 21st century. Stop thinking about slavery. It's over. It's a stained past. Move on. What the hell more do you want Americans to do? Reparations will never happen, we spend millions on welfare programs, year after year, and the problems in the inner cities still happen. What the hell more do you want America to sacrifice? Living in the inner cities? Taxing whites to the point of fiscal insolvency? What more?

This type of thinking will only cost Democrats more in 2017, 2018, and 2020. Democrats will be lucky to get 20% of the white vote by 2020.

Yes, let me pay for something I literally had nothing to do. Nice thinking bronz, you've really outdone yourself now.
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« Reply #54 on: January 16, 2017, 10:39:27 AM »

Ignoring your non-sequitur, liberals completely dominate the industrial media complex as well as the education system. To deny that is to deny reality.

Over 90% of journalists identify as liberal in a nation where conservatives outnumber them 2-1. Over 95% of news endorsements favored Hillary in a nation that elected Trump. Don't even deny the news media liberal bias. That's like denying the earth is round.

Next is the culture media. Do you really want to go there and claim that hollywood/music industry is not liberally bias? You can't escape it. That's why low-info voters (this is different than non-college educated BTW) overwhelmingly vote liberal. They are predominantly millennial who are inundated by liberal news and culture media anytime they turn on the tv. You have to go out of your way to get an opposing view from the liberal orthodoxy - and most millennial can't be bothered.

And we know what happens to those who stand against the orthodoxy. Hell, virtually every celebrity that has announced they will perform at the inauguration has been attacked viciously and also had boycotts demanded against them. A board member of an outdoor gear company had donated to Trump, and that was cause for a boycott. The owners of Chic Fil A believed in traditional marriage, and that was cause to prevent their business in a major city. Ken Boone - a nobody who asked a question to Hillary that liberals didn't liked, got publicly doxxed - by the news media. That he watch porn on his Reddit account showed up in CNN, WaPo, NYT, NBC, Gizmodo, and every other lefty site. What was newsworthy about that? Nothing of course - they were trying to humiliate a dissenter, like they always do. The left tries to publicly attack, shame, and destroy the lives of anyone who dares go against their orthodoxy - to a point where conservative actors, scientist, and businessman stay quiet out of fear for their jobs or reputations.

As for education - I really don't know why liberals feel the need to insert their politics into everyday conversation no matter what the subject (I suspect that it's related to politics being their religion though). But I can tell you it's certainly true among liberal teachers. The things that are happening on college campuses range from laughable to fascistic.

Please, please read this article. It's not an opinion piece. http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/overwrought-political-correctness-helped-trump-win-a-1125725.html
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Universities are supposed to spur learning, open up debate, expose people to many different world views and life challenges, and teach them how to overcome adversity. They have now become the opposite of those things; bubbles for people to exclude any opposing point of view, shut down dissent, and single out those they disagree with (kind of like fascism).

Anytime a conservative speaker is invited (which is rare), not only do they get death threats, but the University staff also get inundated with 'demands' to prevent the speech from happening. The staff themselves gets threats and doxed publicly. Students whine about how such an event will 'trigger' them to hear an opposing point of view. If the speech goes on anyway that speaker can expect constant interruptions during the event. Case in point - Milo yet again had a University speech cancelled because their students demanded it.

What is happening on our college campuses right now is insane - and certainly not on the plane of higher learning.

That was a very interesting post. There were just a few problems with it. Hillary Clinton actually received 85% of newspaper endorsements (not 95%) and only 41% had endorsed Obama in 2012. More newspapers which made an endorsement in 2016 had endorsed Romney in 2012 than Obama. How biased. And Hollywood is more liberal, but I don't see how that's a bad thing. You could also explain how the "liberal media" allowed Ken Bone to ask that question in the debate if they didn't like it.

And then the rest of the post is a gigantic victim complex. You poor conservatives, you outnumber liberals 2 to 1 (according to your post) but still get scared when they threaten to start a boycott.
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« Reply #55 on: January 16, 2017, 11:43:39 AM »

It's widespread in Australian education.

My son nearly got suspended from school when he told the English teacher he was glad Trump was building a wall to keep the Mexicans out.

It's absurd that a lot of people are selling Trump as morally illegal.

Sounds like you're teaching him and yourself to be special snowflakes.
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« Reply #56 on: January 16, 2017, 02:42:16 PM »

It's widespread in Australian education.

My son nearly got suspended from school when he told the English teacher he was glad Trump was building a wall to keep the Mexicans out.

It's absurd that a lot of people are selling Trump as morally illegal.

Sounds like you're teaching him and yourself to be special snowflakes.

I don't think that Meclazine is failing about the school failing to protect his son from criticism of right wing views. The demands of 'special snowflakes' are always that institutions should take active measures to oppose opinions that offend their left wing views.

What is being talked about here is schools and universities taking active measures to oppose and even seek to punish right wing views and to promote left wing views. Now you might think thats a good thing or a bad thing but what is undeniable is that schools and universities throughout the western Europe, the US and Australia have institutional policies to oppose right wing ideology and to promote leftism. These policies clearly would not be allowed unless they were actively supported by the leftist political classes in those places.
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« Reply #57 on: January 16, 2017, 07:23:30 PM »

It's widespread in Australian education.

My son nearly got suspended from school when he told the English teacher he was glad Trump was building a wall to keep the Mexicans out.

It's absurd that a lot of people are selling Trump as morally illegal.

Sounds like you're teaching him and yourself to be special snowflakes.

I don't think that Meclazine is failing about the school failing to protect his son from criticism of right wing views. The demands of 'special snowflakes' are always that institutions should take active measures to oppose opinions that offend their left wing views.

What is being talked about here is schools and universities taking active measures to oppose and even seek to punish right wing views and to promote left wing views. Now you might think thats a good thing or a bad thing but what is undeniable is that schools and universities throughout the western Europe, the US and Australia have institutional policies to oppose right wing ideology and to promote leftism. These policies clearly would not be allowed unless they were actively supported by the leftist political classes in those places.

So that's why the commie semitic filth, Fox News was always on in my High School cafeteria?
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« Reply #58 on: January 16, 2017, 07:44:09 PM »

It's widespread in Australian education.

My son nearly got suspended from school when he told the English teacher he was glad Trump was building a wall to keep the Mexicans out.

It's absurd that a lot of people are selling Trump as morally illegal.

Sounds like you're teaching him and yourself to be special snowflakes.

I don't think that Meclazine is failing about the school failing to protect his son from criticism of right wing views. The demands of 'special snowflakes' are always that institutions should take active measures to oppose opinions that offend their left wing views.

What is being talked about here is schools and universities taking active measures to oppose and even seek to punish right wing views and to promote left wing views. Now you might think thats a good thing or a bad thing but what is undeniable is that schools and universities throughout the western Europe, the US and Australia have institutional policies to oppose right wing ideology and to promote leftism. These policies clearly would not be allowed unless they were actively supported by the leftist political classes in those places.

So that's why the commie semitic filth, Fox News was always on in my High School cafeteria?

They did a lot of teaching in the cafeteria did they?
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« Reply #59 on: January 16, 2017, 07:45:59 PM »

This sort of whining is becoming incredibly tiresome. Liberal this, left wing that. Give it a rest.
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« Reply #60 on: January 16, 2017, 07:53:25 PM »

This sort of whining is becoming incredibly tiresome. Liberal this, left wing that. Give it a rest.

If you're not interested in the subject of ideological hegemony as it exists in modern Western societies then fine. I'm interested in the topic and will continue posting about it.
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« Reply #61 on: January 16, 2017, 08:25:48 PM »

This sort of whining is becoming incredibly tiresome. Liberal this, left wing that. Give it a rest.
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« Reply #62 on: January 16, 2017, 08:31:02 PM »

if there is an ideology dominant in the western hemisphere atm it's pro-russian/pro-autocratic sentiment against all small-l liberal institutions and values.
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« Reply #63 on: January 17, 2017, 09:26:37 AM »

if there is an ideology dominant in the western hemisphere atm it's pro-russian/pro-autocratic sentiment against all small-l liberal institutions and values.
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« Reply #64 on: January 17, 2017, 12:54:41 PM »

if there is an ideology dominant in the western hemisphere atm it's pro-russian/pro-autocratic sentiment against all small-l liberal institutions and values.

I can't think of a single western country in which this is the case. Sure, the zeitgeist of the age appears to be turning against liberal institutions and values, but liberalism (if defined broadly) continues to dominate the political programs of most mainstream western political parties, media organisations and institutions.
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« Reply #65 on: January 17, 2017, 02:05:53 PM »

if there is an ideology dominant in the western hemisphere atm it's pro-russian/pro-autocratic sentiment against all small-l liberal institutions and values.

I can't think of a single western country in which this is the case. Sure, the zeitgeist of the age appears to be turning against liberal institutions and values, but liberalism (if defined broadly) continues to dominate the political programs of most mainstream western political parties, media organisations and institutions.
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