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Question: Will Trump's healthcare plan actually offer "insurance for everybody"?
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Yes - At least more than the ACA
 
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No - No more than the ACA
 
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« on: January 15, 2017, 09:45:10 PM »

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/314437-trumps-healthcare-plan-will-offer-insurance-for-everybody-report

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« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2017, 09:49:14 PM »

"I just read about it this week, it's a terrific plan - just great. It's called the Affordable Care Act."
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« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2017, 09:53:15 PM »

He literally has no idea does he?
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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2017, 10:01:08 PM »

Mandatory enrollment in public option for those who don't have insurance otherwise?
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« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2017, 10:01:32 PM »

He knows as much about health care and insurance policy as I know about auto repair.  
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« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2017, 10:03:09 PM »

I'll believe it when it happens. Or at least when I see it.

And getting Ryan to agree is another matter.

It's more likely "let private insurance roam free! then they'll insure everyone!"
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« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2017, 10:14:09 PM »

Gotta come up with an excuse to print all that money somehow.

As long as Trump hands the newly-printed money over to banks, who then get to hand it over to private insurance companies, the Republicans will be fine with it.  Whether or not anybody who isn't rich to begin with actually gets decent medical care at the end of it all (not) won't really matter.
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« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2017, 11:21:01 PM »

“I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole.”
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« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2017, 12:39:23 AM »

“I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole.”

Pretty sure that's what his ghost-writer called it.
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« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2017, 12:41:34 AM »

“I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole.”

Pretty sure that's what his ghost-writer called it.

A ghostwriter who's horrified by what he's done.
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« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2017, 07:56:12 AM »

How are you a Republican?
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« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2017, 12:41:03 PM »


No, because it does not offer a public option, and public insurance is the only solution for pre-existing conditions etc.

Obamacare is awful and fixed nothing.

You're absolutely right but unfortunately your party wouldn't agree to this, and they hold both the Congress and the presidency right now.
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« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2017, 12:45:26 PM »

Who's going to pass a public option? How will it cover everyone? What are the specifics?
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« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2017, 01:23:39 PM »

No doubt the plan will offer insurance for everybody, but it'll be your own damn fault if you can't afford it.
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« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2017, 01:24:13 PM »

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« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2017, 01:47:41 PM »

The Free Market™ provides nothing for everybody. Unless Trump is going to forsake his beloved capitalism, I doubt this will result in anything other than millions of people losing their health insurance.
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« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2017, 01:50:26 PM »

Hopefully we see a sliding scale subsidy system based on market rates for all, including across age and gender groups, with greater transparency in medical billing. The desperately poor can be covered under Medicaid - we're Republicans, not monsters.
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« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2017, 01:52:00 PM »

I feel like Trump could be tricked into advocating for a single payer system.
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« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2017, 02:05:06 PM »

I feel like Trump could be tricked into advocating for a single payer system.

I mean he did praise Canada's Medicare system in the debated after all

Single payer with broad leeway for administration by the states would actually be a decent outcome
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« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2017, 03:26:16 PM »


The new Trumpist GOP tolerates universal healthcare.

Remember, back in the day people like Richard Nixon and Nelson Rockefeller probably favored healthcare plans that went slightly further than ObamaCare.

You also have Republicans like John Kasich who expanded MediCare in Ohio during a budget surplus.
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« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2017, 03:57:56 PM »

Hopefully we see a sliding scale subsidy system based on market rates for all, including across age and gender groups, with greater transparency in medical billing. The desperately poor can be covered under Medicaid - we're Republicans, not monsters.

So you mean keep Obamacare?
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« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2017, 04:08:00 PM »

Hopefully we see a sliding scale subsidy system based on market rates for all, including across age and gender groups, with greater transparency in medical billing. The desperately poor can be covered under Medicaid - we're Republicans, not monsters.
Purchasing private healthcare from healthcare.gov provides you with a subsidy, if you're poor, to help pay your insurance premiums.  Each month, your insuance company mails you a summary of all of the medical services you used, how much the provider charged, how much is written off due to negotiations between the insurer and the provider, and how much you owe out of pocket for said services.

Those who are indigent get medicaid.  In Minnesota there is an additional public option above and beyond medicaid but for people who still find the exchanges unaffordable.  It's called MinnesotaCare and was put in place in the early 90s by a GOP gov and DFL leg.

You want Obamacare, Santander.  But then, you knew that. 
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« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2017, 04:12:51 PM »
« Edited: January 16, 2017, 04:15:53 PM by Santander »

Hopefully we see a sliding scale subsidy system based on market rates for all, including across age and gender groups, with greater transparency in medical billing. The desperately poor can be covered under Medicaid - we're Republicans, not monsters.

So you mean keep Obamacare?
Uh... Obamacare has price control provisions that attempt to force young people and men to subsidize women and the elderly (which have failed), among many other disastrous regulations like the supposedly popular but stupid 26-year old rule and pre-existing conditions rule. I would prefer to see no subsidy, but I'm trying to be politically realistic. We also need to stop endlessly blaming everything on the insurance and pharmaceutical industries and start getting tough with healthcare providers. Lack of transparency is what allows healthcare providers to hide behind insurance companies, and the more layers of government and bureaucracy we add, the further from a truly free and transparent market we get.

Consumers (i.e. the market) are a far more powerful and effective force in changing the behavior of businesses than government could ever hope to be. The government's role should be to reduce the information asymmetry that currently exists with the opaque nature of healthcare spending in the US and allow the market to do its work.
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« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2017, 04:27:32 PM »

Any chance we'll get to hear any details at all? No? Well, then you'll have to forgive me for not having complete faith in Trump's words, then. Wink
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« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2017, 04:28:56 PM »

Hopefully we see a sliding scale subsidy system based on market rates for all, including across age and gender groups, with greater transparency in medical billing. The desperately poor can be covered under Medicaid - we're Republicans, not monsters.

So you mean keep Obamacare?
Uh... Obamacare has price control provisions that attempt to force young people and men to subsidize women and the elderly (which have failed), among many other disastrous regulations like the supposedly popular but stupid 26-year old rule and pre-existing conditions rule. I would prefer to see no subsidy, but I'm trying to be politically realistic. We also need to stop endlessly blaming everything on the insurance and pharmaceutical industries and start getting tough with healthcare providers. Lack of transparency is what allows healthcare providers to hide behind insurance companies, and the more layers of government and bureaucracy we add, the further from a truly free and transparent market we get.

Consumers (i.e. the market) are a far more powerful and effective force in changing the behavior of businesses than government could ever hope to be. The government's role should be to reduce the information asymmetry that currently exists with the opaque nature of healthcare spending in the US and allow the market to do its work.

-Solid post.
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