An unsystematic rant about the working class and "culture"
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« on: January 18, 2017, 03:09:27 PM »
« edited: January 18, 2017, 03:11:50 PM by Night on the Galactic Mass Pike »

Working-class people are not doomed to a lifetime of scatological humor and Duck Dynasty by virtue of being working-class. There is no such thing as poor people blood that genetically dooms one to have “lowbrow” taste. The generally poorer than not town where I grew up had a piano teacher whose repertoire was a combination of classical études and jazz standards, and she was always in high demand. In Italy the ~plain people~ loved and admired Verdi even in his lifetime, and I’ve heard that they have public lectures on Dante that are jam-packed with people from all walks of life. My best friend’s family spent most of her childhood in mid-level poverty and they have a tradition of reading Shakespeare out loud on New Year’s Eve. Even if there were “poor people blood”, plenty of our cultural standards and heritage started out as “poor people things” before standing the test of time. Who remembers the writers people were “supposed” to like back when novels were for the lower element?

The idea that the Golden Age of Television ended because suddenly Those People could afford TVs and demanded fast, cheap, mindless swill may have some merit but if so it says more about the people making programming decisions than about the viewers. There is such a thing as the culture industry. Programming and publishing decisions are ideological in that they are based in more or less coherent worldviews about what people want or should want. The cancellation of The Bell Telephone Hour and the Rural Purge were the product of similar sets of machinations aimed at appealing to and in a sense creating a proto-yuppie middle class that ate up the sort of middlebrow (the worst kind of brow!), faux-sentimental, mawkish bullsh**t that the suits themselves liked (which these days finds itself joined by middlebrow, faux-edgy, nihilistic bullsh**t like Family Guy and Bill Maher). You know what people who live way out in the sticks where they still don’t get many channels watch? They—many of them—watch PBS.

People talk about education and lifting people out of their material and spiritual circumstances through education but never give any thought to the use of mass media as a pedagogical force, for good or for ill. Jeff Zucker is an engineer of human souls. About one thing C.S. Lewis, whose conservative sensibilities so often make him unappealing as a cultural critic, was right: Deny a man food and he will gobble poison. If people with “good taste Smiley Smiley Smiley” won’t make any effort to present “the poorly educated” with material that is thoughtful but that also takes their lives seriously, of course they’ll gravitate towards crap. And this crap has its own effects on people’s psyches.

People do actually read, if you give them good public libraries and have well-intentioned teachers allowed to assign interesting material. Read enough and you will get “an education”, even if it’s an unsystematic one. You still probably won’t become a biotech venture capitalist like J.D. Vance or even a grad school prima donna like me, but so [Inks]ing what? A rounded, textured understanding of the world is its own reward.

Also, like, there’s nothing inherently stupid or “backwards” anyway about preferring Petticoat Junction to The Brady Bunch, or The Walking Dead (or Pretty Little Liars or Empire for that matter; it's not only the white male part of the working class that this applies to) to Modern Family. Or even 16 and Pregnant to Tosh.0. For God’s sake.

I don’t really know where I’m going with this and I might have contradicted myself at least once but I felt that a lot of this had to be said.
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« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2017, 07:07:26 PM »

I thought that this was an interesting post that made me think a bit when I was at the gym tonight; I thought I'd share things from my perspective. 

You mention a perceived decline in the quality of television there; I think that is partially nostalgia and the fact that after a long period people generally forget the crap and remember the good stuff - I mean in the UK when people talk about television they talk about Python or Fawlty Towers or Upstairs Downstairs or all sorts of classics that people remember: while they forget that the Black and White Minstrel Show was popular for a time; and that the highest viewed non-sports TV show ever was an episode of bloody Sale of the Century - admittedly this was right before Christmas and the BBC were on strike, but ITV did show other things that night!  This also means that if you dig around you can find a fair amount of forgotten stuff that's actually pretty good but which they put on at 4:30 on a Saturday afternoon after the football results against Doctor Who or some other silly time - one example that comes to mind is a really good sketch comedy thing called "End of Part 1" which is basically a Pythonesque comedy thing about television (basically a TV version of the Burkiss Way radio series which is also rather good): the problem is that while that sort of thing would work late night during the week: they slapped it on at like 3pm on a Sunday afternoon where it was never going to work, and so it died after two series.  From a business perspective there's a real reason why quality declined: in the UK you had a shift in the regulatory structure of the main commercial broadcaster in the early 1990s which loosened the quality controls that had existed prior; plus the arrival of Satellite TV led to advertisers having lots more places to buy ads from, plus a decline in viewers has led to prices for ads going down meaning that the the broadcasters have less money and naturally will chase the cheap shows that can pop a rating.  This even affected the BBC in a way: who are pulled from pillar to post between providing programmes that are "too popular" when they get watched and then being "too inaccessible" when they broadcast some arts stuff that no one watches.  I think that the BBC do a good job trying to bridge the divide but there's only so much that they can do with the increasingly limited resources that they have.

I do also think that the point about accessibility is also key.  A big part of why my knowledge of paintings and other similar forms of art is as basic as "ah, that looks nice!" or "eh, what's that supposed to be??" is because its not something that I've ever been encouraged to have any interest in; I was never any good at art at school, and my art teachers only really cared about the people who were good rather than instilling passion in everyone (not that they managed that with the people with any talent).  But I could spend hours in most historical museums especially more modern ones with a focus on social history, because its something that my parents and a few school teachers instilled passion in.  An example on that was when I went to the Museum of the History of the Brussels Capital Region a few weeks back: the bottom floor is mostly stuff about the different types of pottery and silverware and other similar stuff: the top floor is about how they expanded the city and when, and how it changed how people lived.  I rushed through the bottom floor because honestly I can think of nothing more boring than reading about the differences between Dutch and French pottery (especially since they had no English captions so I was relying on French which made it even more laborious) while upstairs was fascinating and I spent hours just reading about how they covered the rivers to expand the city and how they couldn't get planning laws through until 1997 so large amounts of old historic buildings were just torn down without any thought in huge acts of cultural vandalism, really interesting.  I think that's an important thing really: you need to make people passionate about the arts or history or whatever and that's a hell of a lot easier to do at a young age than it is when they are older; and if you manage that then people will remain interested.  But if you assume that working class people will never be interested in whatever you are doing then you shouldn't be surprised when, well, they never are.

The point you bring out about not regarding certain things as "backwards" or whatever is also important; you shouldn't go around avoiding things that you like just because of what you'll be perceived as.  For example I'm a pro wrestling fan which isn't particularly highly regarded by anyone really but I don't care: its fun to watch and when its at its very best there's very little that's better - hell there's probably a decent argument there that its an art - certainly more arguments for that than a sport really.  I bring that up because I remember the only time when someone's reacted negatively to it: I was at a friends flat party with a bunch of people I didn't know so I just got chatting with a few people and we had a nice chat about all sorts of random stuff (politics; history, I mentioned that I had done a course in political philosophy at uni so I had to deal with chat about Aristotle which wasn't great since I hate that stuff); but then I tried to pivot the conversation away from things that are hard to talk about when you've had four beers and a whisky and it led to me mentioning that I was into pro wrestling somehow and the tone of the conversation changed: like that revelation was enough to make me not worth talking to anymore.  Its not like I actually talked about it at all or went into long rants about why All Japan Women's pro wrestling in the 90s was the best or a rambling analysis of the greatness of the Bret Hart/Steve Austin match at Wrestlemania 13 or anything like that; I just mentioned that I watched the stuff and that I found it fun and suddenly I was like half the person I was for some reason.  Incidentally, I ended up as Facebook friends with a couple of them and they spent the post-Brexit and post-Trump period moaning about stupid people and why we now should cut spending to "areas that don't contribute" and the worst stereotypical middle class liberal response to things, it was pathetic.  I'm not saying that that's at all comparable to Burns or Verdi or other similar things, but I don't think that means that people who are into similar things are somehow more classless or whatever.

This is also a bit rambly but its late and I can't sleep, so that's why!
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« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2017, 11:01:59 AM »

There's no need to defend low brow culture. It may not appeal to everyone, but the the nature of entertainment is that its value is in the eye of the beholder.
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« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2017, 06:05:01 PM »

Just because you lack intellectual curiosity about the world, and like "low brow" culture, and makes grammatical errors, does not make you a low brow person. My contractor is like that, but he's highly intelligent, good at what he does, honest, and has his hobbies, mostly hunting and boating. He's a man's man. I like him a lot - indeed I admire him. It helps that he has a good sense of humor, yes.
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« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2017, 06:57:42 PM »

I can't help but think Democrats are doing a bit of revisionism of their own if the conclusion is that their campaign was a smart intellectual one, that was nobbled by Idiocracy style vapid populism. Yes, the sort of figures that Trump rounded up were uniformly from the lowbrow worlds of ultra-commercialised sports, trashy reality TV and the like. But what about the Clinton campaign's obsession with courting the world of The Beautiful People? Is this:


a vastly more profound campaign than dragging out Mr Duck Fighter (or whatever) to crack about effete liberals, or whatever? The DNC were never being elitist in the sense they were bragging about reading Dostoevsky, or exclusively playing symphonic music at the DNC or giving every campaign ad with suggested reading material - it was just as lowbrow (or at least low-content) at the end of the day, but still came across as elitist and smug anyway.
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« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2017, 03:01:16 PM »

I can't help but think Democrats are doing a bit of revisionism of their own if the conclusion is that their campaign was a smart intellectual one, that was nobbled by Idiocracy style vapid populism. Yes, the sort of figures that Trump rounded up were uniformly from the lowbrow worlds of ultra-commercialised sports, trashy reality TV and the like. But what about the Clinton campaign's obsession with courting the world of The Beautiful People? Is this:


a vastly more profound campaign than dragging out Mr Duck Fighter (or whatever) to crack about effete liberals, or whatever? The DNC were never being elitist in the sense they were bragging about reading Dostoevsky, or exclusively playing symphonic music at the DNC or giving every campaign ad with suggested reading material - it was just as lowbrow (or at least low-content) at the end of the day, but still came across as elitist and smug anyway.

Because adding a little glamour to anything is fun.
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« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2017, 08:14:35 PM »

This is an excellent post. I'm a bit afraid to ask what specific incident (if any) prompted it. Since the election I have started noticing many things about the way "my side" views society, and it's a horrifying discovery.
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« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2017, 08:12:35 AM »

People talk about education and lifting people out of their material and spiritual circumstances through education but never give any thought to the use of mass media as a pedagogical force, for good or for ill. Jeff Zucker is an engineer of human souls.

This is correct. Television is the most powerful medium created and in one form or another it is here to stay. But like all media it is neutral; by this point the social/cultural impact of television is determined entirely by what is shown on it. And if you do not contest the space it creates - or even if you merely retreat to the more obviously defensible behind the walls thrown up by various forms of pay-TV - then, yes, you surrender the space to lowest common denominator trash. The critical point is that you do not have to surrender this space. You don't even have to seek cultural domination; mostly you just want to give people the option. Culturally the healthiest situation would be one in which it is quite normal to watch (and read and etc) a mixture of things; some artsy, some educational, some trashy; why not? To retreat from mass culture is to deny people access to different forms of culture and is socially corrosive as well as repulsively elitist. And elitism is terrible for 'high' culture! It leaves it vulnerable and exposed, as well as limiting future talent pools.

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As is this.
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« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2017, 09:27:51 AM »

From a business perspective there's a real reason why quality declined: in the UK you had a shift in the regulatory structure of the main commercial broadcaster in the early 1990s which loosened the quality controls that had existed prior; plus the arrival of Satellite TV led to advertisers having lots more places to buy ads from, plus a decline in viewers has led to prices for ads going down meaning that the the broadcasters have less money and naturally will chase the cheap shows that can pop a rating.  This even affected the BBC in a way: who are pulled from pillar to post between providing programmes that are "too popular" when they get watched and then being "too inaccessible" when they broadcast some arts stuff that no one watches.  I think that the BBC do a good job trying to bridge the divide but there's only so much that they can do with the increasingly limited resources that they have.

It was principally designed to damage the BBC actually, particularly the nasty provision that demanded (demands) that a minimum of 25% of its output has to be made by independent broadcasting companies.
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